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Jul 30, 2002, 7:35am

It is wrong for me or anyone to be publically humiliated at AWGate or any
other public world because of something that happened privately. I was
publically humiliated yesterday over this very thing. I have the right to
be treated respectfully in public. I feel that what I did in private should
not have been the business of anyone else. But if it became someone else's
business, handling it in a way to demoralize me is not in the best interest
of anyone. There are better, more positive and constructive ways to solve
problems. I'm speaking out about it because I don't want this to happen to
anyone else and they feel that they are the only one, or feel nothing can be
done about it. I hope all of you are mature and supportive enough to
realize this does happen in public areas. The best thing to do is report
it, as I have done, to someone in authority.

Jul 30, 2002, 9:39am

Actually, you don't have the "right" to be treated respectfully in
public. You *do* have the right to privacy, but that doesn't include
someone with a loose tongue and a grudge against you spilling the beans
about you in public. The best thing you can do is just not reveal
private information on the internet, as you can never really tell who it
is you're telling it to. Yea, it's not nice when someone humiliates you
in public, but if you don't give them any ammo, they have nothing to
humiliate you with. :)

[View Quote] > It is wrong for me or anyone to be publically humiliated at AWGate or any
> other public world because of something that happened privately. I was
> publically humiliated yesterday over this very thing. I have the right to
> be treated respectfully in public. I feel that what I did in private should
> not have been the business of anyone else. But if it became someone else's
> business, handling it in a way to demoralize me is not in the best interest
> of anyone. There are better, more positive and constructive ways to solve
> problems. I'm speaking out about it because I don't want this to happen to
> anyone else and they feel that they are the only one, or feel nothing can be
> done about it. I hope all of you are mature and supportive enough to
> realize this does happen in public areas. The best thing to do is report
> it, as I have done, to someone in authority.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
The name is humiliating enough...
robrod at prism.net

Jul 30, 2002, 12:31pm

Exactly. You have to watch who you tell about things.

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Jul 30, 2002, 5:15pm

I agree, you have to be really careful who you trust and who you think are
your friends. It's sad to think that someone you have put so much trust in
can and will flame you just to make themselves look good. Although anytime I
hear someone flaming another I know that person is only out for themselve.
The best way to handle this problem is only tell what you want known...
:o)
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Jul 30, 2002, 5:43pm

I have strong suspicion, but no hard proof that the problem evolved from
someone knowing how to intercept and/or interpret communications in the
building areas of Alpha World (away from GZ and the bot). I feel it should
be wrong to be able to do that unless someone is suspected of unlawful
activity. I, and everyone else here absolutely has the right to be treated
respectfully, especially in public areas and forums. It is in the best
interest of tourists, and citizens - everyone here, including the company,
AW, to take an interest in, promote and practice respect of humankind. To
expect anything less would be dehumanizing.

By acknowledging it happens and speaking out - it helps in several ways.
1) Validation for someone else who is going through a similar experience.
2) Informing the public there's a problem.
3) Possible prevention of it happening to someone else.
4) Hopefully, change to bring about a solution.

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Jul 30, 2002, 6:15pm

It can be done by using a seeker bot although that's a lot of seeking since
Alpha World is so big and then going there and eavesdropping.

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Jul 30, 2002, 6:18pm

I agree that we should all strive to treat everyone else as equals and
with kindness, but no one has the "right" to be respected. In fact, part
of the right of "free speech" means that we also have the right to *not*
respect people if we so choose. Respect has to be earned, and while it's
unfortunate that some punk managed to overhear your private conversation
and spread it to the world, there's not much anyone else can do about
it. You'll just have to be more careful in the future regarding private
matters on the internet.

And I'm not trying to sweep this under the rug and say that it never
happens to other people, just that more caution is probably the only
viable solution to such a problem.

[View Quote] > I have strong suspicion, but no hard proof that the problem evolved from
> someone knowing how to intercept and/or interpret communications in the
> building areas of Alpha World (away from GZ and the bot). I feel it should
> be wrong to be able to do that unless someone is suspected of unlawful
> activity. I, and everyone else here absolutely has the right to be treated
> respectfully, especially in public areas and forums. It is in the best
> interest of tourists, and citizens - everyone here, including the company,
> AW, to take an interest in, promote and practice respect of humankind. To
> expect anything less would be dehumanizing.
>
> By acknowledging it happens and speaking out - it helps in several ways.
> 1) Validation for someone else who is going through a similar experience.
> 2) Informing the public there's a problem.
> 3) Possible prevention of it happening to someone else.
> 4) Hopefully, change to bring about a solution.
>
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Goober King
It's rather hard to legislate respect...
robrod at prism.net

Jul 30, 2002, 9:36pm

wispers all the way, baby!

J

Jul 31, 2002, 1:51am

Goober King is right.....even if you did report it, it is unlikely that they
will do anything about it b/c everyone has the right to free speech and/or
to disrespect someone if they choose to.....AWC won't do anything about this
if you reported it, I guarantee.
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Jul 31, 2002, 1:57am

Does respect have to be earned? I give it out freely until that person
manages to abuse it. Respect is a privelage and IMHO should be given freely
until someonedoes something to warrant losing it. Giving it freely enables
you to see people as they are and keeps others from having to feel that they
have to live up to your expectations of what earning respect is.

Chris

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Jul 31, 2002, 11:16am

I agree wholeheartedly! :)

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Jul 31, 2002, 2:35pm

I will continue to speak out against this, it's wrong. Unless I am doing
something illegal, no one should have the right to break in on my
communication to someone else. But then taking it further, use it to harass
me, degrade me in public or private, or conform me to standards that fit
their purpose. It is reasonable for me to expect to have a whisper or
telegram conversation with someone without fear of someone intercepting that
communication and using it to bully me into shame, fear, silence or worse.

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Jul 31, 2002, 8:13pm

Just be careful about who you tell information to.....unless it is someone
you deeply trust.....I would feel the same way if someone did that to me, I
understand your point, but it is very unlikely that they will do something
about it, honestly.
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Jul 31, 2002, 8:55pm

Well now, hold on a sec... They overheard a whisper/telegram
conversation?! This changes everything, as it most likely means the
person was using a cracked browser, which, incidentally, is illegal. It
also makes me wonder how this person knows you and why this person would
target you if you weren't anywhere near GZ. Sounds like it's more than
just a random encounter...

[View Quote] > I will continue to speak out against this, it's wrong. Unless I am doing
> something illegal, no one should have the right to break in on my
> communication to someone else. But then taking it further, use it to harass
> me, degrade me in public or private, or conform me to standards that fit
> their purpose. It is reasonable for me to expect to have a whisper or
> telegram conversation with someone without fear of someone intercepting that
> communication and using it to bully me into shame, fear, silence or worse.
>
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--
Goober King
The plot thickens, it does...
robrod at prism.net

Jul 31, 2002, 9:08pm

Too bad you can't just "use a cracked browser" to get whispers and telegrams. This person would either have to have access to the
uniserver (for telegrams) or be intercepting packets (for whispers). Of course maybe the intended recipient is also the one who
spread the stuff around...

-Agent1

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Jul 31, 2002, 9:54pm

I must have overlooked the "whisper/telegram" part....that is
illegal....send your complaints to cof at activeworlds.com, I hope you still
have the name of the person. If it happens again try to get the cit number
too and report that also.
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Aug 1, 2002, 8:16am

I have never encountered any instance of anyone having had their whispers or
telegrams intercepted by a third party in years of using Active Worlds.

I know many instances of people making whispers or telegrams public, after
receiving them from the sender deliberately.

I think any person revealing things told to them in private and in
confidence is despicable.

The injustice of the above pales to insignificance when someone "reveals"
things not told to them, but things invented to make someone else look bad.
This is compounded when someone falsifies or alters documents (chatlogs,
telegrams, etc.) to support the invented revelations. May I dare suggest
there are degrees of humiliation?

~ Justin


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Aug 1, 2002, 9:00am

The only incedence I have heard of this happening was not in aw but another
Universe.

When I enquired deeper into is subject it was mentioned that this may be
possble if a world was self hosted. In this the whisper or telegram would
have to travel throught the worldserver to uniserver and then back to world
server to the other person.

In this perhaps not a cracked client but a cracked world server is being
used. Since I heard this I never send anything i do not want a third party
to hear vai client. I sent by another IM system.

Wiz
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Aug 1, 2002, 9:38am

A subject all too familiar, eh Just?

[View Quote] > I have never encountered any instance of anyone having had their whispers or
> telegrams intercepted by a third party in years of using Active Worlds.
>
> I know many instances of people making whispers or telegrams public, after
> receiving them from the sender deliberately.
>
> I think any person revealing things told to them in private and in
> confidence is despicable.
>
> The injustice of the above pales to insignificance when someone "reveals"
> things not told to them, but things invented to make someone else look bad.
> This is compounded when someone falsifies or alters documents (chatlogs,
> telegrams, etc.) to support the invented revelations. May I dare suggest
> there are degrees of humiliation?
>
> ~ Justin
>
>
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--
Goober King
Proof that the more things change...
robrod at prism.net

Aug 2, 2002, 1:37am

Ya

~ Justin

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Aug 3, 2002, 5:18am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] And then you've got people like me who aren't saying or doing anything at
all except (in my case) sitting on a road as I'm trying to build a direct
link road from Hamsterville to SW City (Why?? Because Chris is a likable
guy from what I've seen and I like SW City :-)).

Patrick

Aug 3, 2002, 5:25am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Hmm.....WHY do I get this feeling that what you are claiming to have
happened is the work of the person who only goes by the cit. no. of 58751???

Patrick

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