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Dec 20, 2003, 9:05pm

In a previous post, I stated....
"And one more thing. You VR married everybody's favorite ferret. I sincerely
hope you genuinely like FF, and are not just using him to do your GK Wannabe
trip. Cuz if you hurt him, or make him feel used, I will have to fight for a
place in line with all the others who will want to rip out your heart and
serve it to you on a silver platter."

And Naughty reiterated my sentiments in another post .....
"D) If you hurt FF... You will have me to deal with."

AARRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!` You think everybody disliked you BEFORE? That ain't
nuthin' compared to the fallout yer gonna feel now.
Have you NO IDEA how FF will feel, once he finds out his "wife" has all the
same plumbing as he??? What the hell were you thinking??
FF is a kind, gentle man. He is also surprisingly bright with a quirky sense
of humor. He just views the world slightly different than the rest of us do.
Was that any reason to target him as a way to do your GK Wannabe trip???

Rest assured, FF will have the full support of his friends in AW. I'm sure
he will feel humiliated by your deceit. I am SO unbelieveably angry with you
right now. DAMMIT, EP!!!!! Have you no sense? Did you honestly think we
would not find out about your pre-op T/S? Of ALL ppl, why did you have to
attach yourself to FF? He will not understand this. He will feel betrayed,
bewildered, and VERY angry. And rightfully so.
at !#$%#! at &*^%!!! GAWD! I'm so angry right now. >: /

And just so you know. I don't give a rat's patootie about your pre-op T/S
status. I have a very close friend who is a post-op MtF. She was my fiancee
27 years ago. What I AM angry about is the way FF is going feel when he
finds out how you deceived him and used him to forward your "GK agenda".

ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!! >: /

Tart Sugar

Dec 20, 2003, 10:14pm

omg, EP is one of them sickos whos a guy and pretends to be female? GOD
DAMN! >_< play is filling up with fucking wierdos!

-SWE

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Dec 20, 2003, 10:36pm

Oh he isn't "pretending" to be a female SWE he literally lives his life as a
woman, he is Pre/OP .. but as he/she stated, she cant afford therapy yet
alone a $30,000 surgery. So he/she will deceive anyone who he/she can gain
anything from. I will again state.. FF will not understand any of this, he
does not acquire the cognitive skills to understand this. You think Tart is
pissed EP? you haven't seen anything yet.. I'm now quite disturbed, and
disgusted at your lack of morals. Did you not learn anything in your 10
years of "therapy"? For someone who is so high almighty, you sure are a
hypocrite.
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Dec 21, 2003, 12:11am

I agree NRH I know FF personally since 1991 and he was the one that
introduced me to AW and both of us are ham radio operators, and he said he
will drop buy here while he is out here visiting his parents but I haven't
seen him yet and I am not sure weather I should show him all this stuff,
this is another page I found http://www.geocities.com/jennifer_2000_89129/
and it confirms that it is the same person
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Dec 21, 2003, 12:35am

It might be a good idea. To have something like this come from a good friend
might be best, FF will have a very hard time understanding, I hope you can
put it delicately. If you need help, let me know.
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Dec 21, 2003, 1:23am

Exactly. I agree with Naughty on this. The last thing any of us wants is to
see FF get hurt.
Plz try to make FF understand it was nothing he (FF) did.
Some ppl are just users and cheats by nature.
And plz tell FF we all love him, and miss him in AW.

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Dec 21, 2003, 1:37am

< snip> yes I have known him in real life and I am sure that he does know
what a T/G is and I do know one thing the O next to his name will probably
be removed, I will tell him as gently as possible but he probably wont trust
hardly anyone in here any more except for his best of friends, I don't think
as far as being rejected is a new thing to him but it is very hard to tell
what will happen. The biggest thing is that EP should have told him about
this before putting the O on that was the utmost deception and, yes I think
it was a fact that EP was probably just using FF as power trip to her/his
own means of having a power trip.

Dec 21, 2003, 2:16am

ohgod, FF is so sensitive and sweet, things effect him very deeply....Im
afraid this is going to hit him hard, no matter how gently it's
done...but he does have a right to know. Why did he/she have to choose
HIM to do this to??? :(((

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Dec 21, 2003, 4:21am

well it will be known and told by all but me. You all have no idea how
it is to be like me, or have the same issues as me. My Life is the life
God gave me, if you are a judge and have a gavle then judge me, but if
you are not an Justice of the Court or a Judge then don't judge others
by the way they are exteranlly, and yes be sure to judge yourself.
before you judge me. It will be thta you have the issues and lives to
understand it, yet hate and discrimination is rampant today Tell him and
be sure to let him know that YOU are the one who has opted to hurt him,
not me, and I had planned to tell him, but you will all be sure to be
there first in line to get your jabs in. Nuf Said and Damage done. Hate
is what you all thrivce on, and hate is what you will all die by.
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Dec 21, 2003, 4:22am

I do not pretend anything, this is how GOd made me and I have to
oversome thi sdiversity and with the hate I read here, it is going to be
a very hard road to travel.
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Dec 21, 2003, 4:25am

me pissed you bet, hate is rampant here hate lives here and this
discussion is powered by hate. Hate will take you in the end too, be
sure you are all ready for your consquences
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Dec 21, 2003, 4:27am

I have to tell you this 77 if you see him take him to my site tell him,
and then when he decides I am not his so be it. I have to say I am not
that interested he has been a very nice man, and understanding yet this
understanding will be reversed and destroyed by you and the one that
found the site I have created. So be it may I am not FF VR anymore and
all refs are gone
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Dec 21, 2003, 4:49am

It's not about your sexual status, or 'discrimination'. A person in
your position *does* have a hard time of things and I have every
sympathy for that. However, that does NOT give you the right to decieve
and hurt others. It's your deception that is the issue, not your
lifestyle. Think about it, don't you think it could possibly hurt a
person to care about someone only to find out that it was based on a
lie, and they were not at who they were presenting themselves as, and
that you'd been deceived the whole time? You may not know FF very well,
but he is a very sensitive person, this may hurt him a great deal. And
it was *your* actions that are the cause of his hurt. He has EVERY
right to know about this, and we are NOT the ones at fault for having
this horrible thing to him, you are. Stop shifting blame to others or
trying to make this out to be a case of discrimination. It's not. It's
about a very cold, very selfish, insensitive, hurtful, decietful thing
that you have done to someone who will never understand why this was
done to him, someone we care about greatly.

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Dec 21, 2003, 4:55am

couldn't have said it better my self
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Dec 21, 2003, 12:13pm

[View Quote] Elven -

Some things are universal, regardless of life experience, background,
sexual orientation or fate placing souls in the wrong gender at birth. The
one thing I enjoyed most about Activeworlds, or any online chat medium for
that matter, is that I could be judged strictly on the basis of my actions
and words. I am 6 foot tall, and well in excess of 300 pounds. Believe me,
in NO way am I equating our two conditions in life. The point I'm trying to
make is simple. I approach my experience online bringing to my keyboard my
core values. I am honest to myself, and those I interact with. When I
interact with someone online, I am painfully aware of the fact that my words
can cause pain, as I have felt this pain myself. I don't like it when it
happens to me, so I do not do it to others.
In the impersonal, cold, callous medium where words and text alone can
engender SO many intense, wonderful friendships and relationships, one has
to be careful what one says. I know precious little about you Elven - except
for what I've seen posted in these news groups. I care little for the
content of the posts and issues surrounding you. Any judgements I make are
strictly on the tone and timber of your replies - and they come up lacking.
And believe me - you are FAR from the first person to ever cross dress an
avatar, or an online persona. The ideal, the self image you have for
yourself is easy to perpetuate in Active Wolrds. However, this is far from
fair to those you interact with, especially in am emotional context.

Thus sayeth Mongo.

Dec 21, 2003, 12:55pm

OMG!!!!! Please tell FF I also support him on this matter. I had noooooo
idea till last night. FF is such a special person to us all and I'd hate for
him to be hurt. The poor guy. All he wants is love and acceptance and is so
trusting, or was. Breaks my heart to see something like this happen. ;-"<


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Dec 21, 2003, 12:55pm

I echo sweet adora's sentiments. And I also have a pretty good idea of what
EP is/has gone through in his life. I have seen my ex-fiancee go through the
entire pre-op and post-op ordeal of a MtF TS. I was the one to convince my
friend's parents to love another daughter, rather than to mourn a dead son.
YES. I know very well of the emotional pain you have suffered your entire
life. I was right there, the entire time, giving my friend all the love and
support I could muster up. I loved the man, and I love the woman she has
become.

But not once did my dear and close friend EVER betray or deceive anybody,
and THAT is the issue here, EP. Not your sexual orientation. Get off the
"hate and prejudice soap box". It won't fly here. Ppl didn't like your
haughty and condescending manner BEFORE they knew of you sexual orientation.

Tart Sugar

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Dec 21, 2003, 1:04pm

77 - if I may offer a suggestion...
Tell FF about EP's T/G status, but don't let him read this msg board. Don't
tell FF how EP was only using him to do her GK Wannabe trip. He doesn't need
to know that. And be sure to tell FF that everybody was just as surprised as
he is to learn of EP's T/G status. It was nothing he did or didn't do.
Nobody in AW is rejecting FF. If anything, we are all "rallying around" him.
: )

Tart Sugar

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Dec 21, 2003, 1:09pm

This is not hate. This is outrage at your deceptive behavior towards someone
with special needs. Online relationships are hard enough. It's difficult to
judge what gender we are really speaking with online, let alone whether they
are telling the truth about marital status and age also. In FF's case, I'm
sure things like that never even crossed his mind. It probably never
occurred to him to verify whether the person he was falling in love with was
being honest with him. How dare you turn this around and try to make US feel
guilty for trying to help him understand what is going on and for supporting
him??? You had plenty of opportunities to tell him the truth and didn't. You
think he wouldn't have found out eventually? How long were you going to let
this go on? Were you planning on keeping this relationship a virtual one?
You do realize of course, that FF would have gone out of his way to meet you
in person and who knows what would have happened after that. How long were
you going to lead him on? When were you going to tell him the truth? After
the two of you got married in RL? A true loving relationship needs honesty
to last. I have no hatred against T/S or T/G's. I have met a few of them in
my lifetime and they are great people. It's the online deception of a
special needs person that pisses me off. Do FF a favor and leave him alone.
Go find someone who will accept you without all that online baloney. Yes its
ok to find someone to love and who loves you back. But at least be honest
about it if yer gonna do that online or all you will find is misery.


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Dec 21, 2003, 1:58pm

ok EP... First off, we didn't like you for your judgmental arrogant manner
and condescending attitude. The Info brought about by someone was a
clincher. This has never and will never be about your sexual orientation, it
is about a man who is innocent and has been deceived by YOU!! We are the
ones being honest with him, and care very deeply for him. And yet again here
you are with the "feel sorry for me" attitude, and this is all about my
life's cross that I bare, and the crown of thorns you wear. WRONG!!! this is
about your lying and deceitful ways... quit putting the blame on everyone
but yourself. Grow up and wear your situation like the woman you want to be.
Stop antagonizing in the NG's with your negative persona, and stop acting
like your above all with delusions of granger greater then what you are. You
are being judged not by what or who you are, but by what you have done. Bare
that cross for a little while!
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Dec 21, 2003, 10:52pm

Well it is not me tellinganyone anything someone else found out, and I
am still researching it, and the original post of the GKs and the jobs
rthey do and the Potty Mouthed children has gotten all off kilter. Now
as for my sex and sexuali\ty, who cares?? FF made his choice even after
seeing my photo. So if he is hirt it is because the so called friends he
has have all made this get way out of proportion, and is now all over
the GATe and I am very very upset becuase it is my responsability to say
this, not someone elses business.
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Dec 21, 2003, 10:53pm

no Ieas not using FF for anything of the sort. This has gotten way out
if hand and yes I hope that FF gets told, adn even is able to read thses
messages, just to see the hateful and discriminatory types of people you
all are
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Dec 21, 2003, 10:55pm

so tell him, let him know, I am glad to have it pout and off my head,
it's not the timeframe I wanted, but this will let him know just what is
happening, adn yes I realyl hope he reads these message boards.
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Dec 21, 2003, 10:57pm

done make it known I just \stoped caring now, thi shas gone too far too
fast and I had planned to let him know slowly and gently,but now it's
going to splap him in the face hope you are all happy
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Dec 21, 2003, 11:03pm

hello, I do not "Cross Dress" get your fact right before you judge me. I
had planned to let it be known in a slow and gentle mode, but that is
now over, adn it's going to slap FF so hard in the face it will put him
back to a placeI am sure he does not wish to go again. But what has
been said is said and what has been done is done. it can not be undone
and can not be taken away, the hrut and pain will now be 10 fold and
hurt him more than if I was actually able to tell him my way, but it's
now open season here on me, so be it, shoot away, I hav had to deal with
this a lot. But to tell someone up front, has been a stiff issue, adn
it's going to hurt from the first or in the middle. the Reactiion would
be softened because of feelings, and hopefull a intellegent human being,
but thta is gone now thank you all for this.
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Dec 21, 2003, 11:05pm

done over done over baked, tell him, it's going to hurt more now, tell
him and be happy you have, it will be the best for you him me and the
AWGate
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Dec 21, 2003, 11:07pm

cares less anymore it's done its over and I am no loinger caring about
it, tell FF I hope you are all happy, it weill hurt more than how I was
going to but thats over now. Tel him be his close and personal friend.
Me I am going to sit in my land and not care, I have had to endure this
a long time, and I have had enough. So take his heart and life and make
it hurt so much that he has a breakdown, and be happy it's not my
telling him, he might have understood, but thats too late now.
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