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Aug 24, 2001, 8:01am

http://www.artbell.com/hoagland3.html
Brand new crop formations, we are not alone, we've made contact :)

Aug 24, 2001, 2:01pm

Interesting... sounds like an elaborate trick made by college kids with
biology majors though...

SW Chris

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Aug 24, 2001, 3:12pm

Any halfwit with a length of chain or rope and a 2x4 can make crop circles, if the field didn't have the tram lines so convienently
located, I'd be a little less suspicious of it. A single fraternity could've created those 3 in an hour or so, assuming they had it
preplanned and were coordinated by radio communication

Of course, getting them out of the dorms to do it in the middle of the night would be difficult

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Aug 24, 2001, 4:11pm

Either that's some pretty good photography manipulation, or the aliens
are idiots. The only difference between the Arecibo stream and the
"response" was someone swapped the human figure for an alien-like
figure, made the left half of the DNA strand more squiggly, and changed
the telescope image to a version of the crop circle in Image 5.
Everything else is exactly the same. Add that to the fact that Arecibo
message was sent via radio waves, and the "response" was "burned" into
an obscure hayfield. Sounds a tad implausible, don't you think?

Also notice that Image 5 and Image 7 are shots of the exact same field,
yet they both have different "responses" in them. And in Image 7, you
can see a large horizontal gash in the field that's about the same
length and position as the "response" in Image 5. Obviously someone had
done Image 7 first and planned to do Image 5 at a later time.

It's amazing how quick some people are to believe that, for some reason,
aliens would want to bother with our planet. Are we that self-important
to think that we're really *that* interesting to travel
who-knows-how-many light years to mash weird pictures into hayfields? If
so, then these aliens really need to find a new hobby...

[View Quote] > http://www.artbell.com/hoagland3.html
> Brand new crop formations, we are not alone, we've made contact :)
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--
Goober King
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exsits
elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -
Calvin of Calvin & Hobbes
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Aug 24, 2001, 4:29pm

its been PROVED. A group of kids gave themselves away and showed exactly how
they did it. Plus i don't think alien would come to earth an draw in out
wheat fields. THats the stupidet thing i've ever heard.

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Aug 24, 2001, 5:38pm

http://www.artbell.com/images/MilkHillMegaJuliaB.jpg
ok for those of you that like explaining away things, tell me how people can
make this formation that consists of over 400 circles to make this design?


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Aug 24, 2001, 7:55pm

Simple, at 67 (I counted) circles to an arm, time 5 arms, plus one center circle, you get 356, and the chances of me missing a few
little circles in the single arm I counted is pretty high.
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Aug 24, 2001, 7:57pm

Oops, there are six arms :)
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Aug 25, 2001, 9:14pm

I saw a show, I think on The Learning Channel, where two guys went out in
one night and made a crop circle like the ones on that page. It looks like
more work than it actually is. Maybe they will play it again sometime, it
was very interesting.

I think if there really is other life 'out there' they wouldn't waste their
time trying to let their presence be known by making pictures in fields. If
there really are 'aliens', and they were smart enough to get all the way to
Earth from wherever they came from, I think they would choose a less
primitive way of letting us know they were here.

BCG


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Aug 25, 2001, 10:18pm

yes, or if not they're really some lamers that aren't worth getting
aquainted (spelling?) with anyway...

KAH

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Aug 26, 2001, 3:09am

I saw that show also. They used a board and rope. That's it. Its a very good
show, I should order it...

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Aug 26, 2001, 7:21am

These crop formations have been throughly investigated and were not there one
day and there the next, these are brand new photos and they are also working on
obtaining the security camera images that surround the radio tower you see in
this picture to get more clues, we shall see. But I don't think anyone could
make the ones that they are now showing us with the method you described in a 16
hour period of time which is basically the time they would have to do it if the
people that worked there left work at 5pm and came back at 9am the next day to
find them. You say why would aliens do it, I say why would people waste the time
to do it, lolol OK if you thought those were interesting, here are some that
appeared over this past winter on ice too thin to walk on, another one of the
many unexplained mysteries of these circle formations
http://www.artbell.com/icerings.html

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Aug 26, 2001, 2:58pm

The reason people do it is because it's funny to watch other people see
them and think they were made by aliens. Just goes to show the stupidity
of some people...

And you still never addressed the issue of why aliens would travel
zillions of miles just to draw patterns in hayfields or in obscure ponds
that are frozen over. Doesn't it seem just a *tad* too unbelievable to
you, especially considering that most have them have been proven to be
hoaxes?

And as for the ice circles, did it ever occur to you that they could
have been made while the ice was still thick, and they had since melted?
That second one certainly seems to be the case, seeing as how the gap
around the circle seems pretty big and uneven.

[View Quote] > These crop formations have been throughly investigated and were not there one
> day and there the next, these are brand new photos and they are also working on
> obtaining the security camera images that surround the radio tower you see in
> this picture to get more clues, we shall see. But I don't think anyone could
> make the ones that they are now showing us with the method you described in a 16
> hour period of time which is basically the time they would have to do it if the
> people that worked there left work at 5pm and came back at 9am the next day to
> find them. You say why would aliens do it, I say why would people waste the time
> to do it, lolol OK if you thought those were interesting, here are some that
> appeared over this past winter on ice too thin to walk on, another one of the
> many unexplained mysteries of these circle formations
> http://www.artbell.com/icerings.html
>
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Goober King
Some people just don't get it...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Aug 26, 2001, 4:17pm

http://www.focus.org.uk/circles.htm


Look at the circles on this page. Each of them were done in one night by
one man. If one man did that in one night, it would be possible for two or
three people to make the complicated crop circles on the page you gave us.


BCG


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Aug 26, 2001, 5:55pm

GK you watch Star Trek don't you? What is the prime directive? I'll tell, it
goes something like, they are not allowed to interfere with us or our
development but to let us evolve natuarally, correct. So you say why would they
make crop circles, they make crop circles because crop circles are biodegradable
or the melt in the case of the ones in the ice and do not do anything to change
the prime directive. That being interfereing in our natural evolution. They are
able to say, hey we are here without hurting the prime directive, and you think
they just got here or something, they have been here watching us all along,
learning about their own past I imagine by watching ours. You assume so much, I
have actually seen a UFO, have you? Well if you haven't you will never know the
impact it has on changing your whole outlook on believing we are not alone here
and what I just told you is 100% correct.


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Aug 26, 2001, 7:41pm

oh, great, now Star Trek guys are coming! Get down to reality, huh? Anyway
if they didn't wanna interfere, they wouldn't have made crop circles at all!
LMAO!

KAH

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Aug 26, 2001, 7:57pm

Earth to Chuck! Come in, Chuck! Loss of reality imminent!

You *do* realize that Star Trek is science *fiction*, correct? There is
no "Prime Directive" and there are no aliens. (at least, not in this
neck of the universal woods) The truth of the matter is that the vast
majority of anything alien related, whether it be UFO sightings, crop
circles, or even abductions, have all been proven to *not* have anything
to do with aliens. They have all had a scientific or human explanation
for them. As far as the "facts" about aliens are concerned, I believe it
is *you* who are assuming too much.

But hey, I'm just a narrow-minded person unwilling to believe in such
things, right? Perhaps you could share with us your little UFO
experience and help us "see the light", as it were...

[View Quote] > GK you watch Star Trek don't you? What is the prime directive? I'll tell, it
> goes something like, they are not allowed to interfere with us or our
> development but to let us evolve natuarally, correct. So you say why would they
> make crop circles, they make crop circles because crop circles are biodegradable
> or the melt in the case of the ones in the ice and do not do anything to change
> the prime directive. That being interfereing in our natural evolution. They are
> able to say, hey we are here without hurting the prime directive, and you think
> they just got here or something, they have been here watching us all along,
> learning about their own past I imagine by watching ours. You assume so much, I
> have actually seen a UFO, have you? Well if you haven't you will never know the
> impact it has on changing your whole outlook on believing we are not alone here
> and what I just told you is 100% correct.
>
>
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Goober King
This should prove entertaining...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Aug 26, 2001, 8:00pm

chucks party said:
"So you say why would they make crop circles, they make crop circles
because crop circles are biodegradable or the melt in the case of the
ones in the ice and do not do anything to change the prime directive.
They are able to say, hey we are here without hurting the prime
directive, and you think they just got here or something, they have been
here watching us all along, learning about their own past I imagine by
watching ours."

Fascinating. I had no idea aliens watched Star Trek, nor even that they
adhered to a "Prime Directive" that is a fictional creation of a human.
Tell me, do these 'aliens' have transporters and phasers and quantum
torpedoes as well?

chucks party said:
"You assume so much."

You do as well. Since you obviously cannot explain the crop circles or
other 'evidence' of extraterrestrial life, you automatically assume that
it is extraterrestial life. Crop circles have already been proven to be
hoaxes, but die-hard alien fans can't give it up. I suppose you still
think that popular 'alien autopsy' was real too.

chucks party said:
"I have actually seen a UFO, have you?"
I don't know whether Goob has seen one or not, but I have. But what is
a UFO? an Unidentified Flying Object. Key word: Unidentified. Just
because you cannot identify it doesn't mean its from some
extraterrestrial life. And believe me, it has not changed my whole
outlook on life.

Aug 26, 2001, 9:15pm

Well all I can say is, we shall see, lol Unless you have seen a UFO you don't
know. I was skeptical somewhat too before I actually saw one. It was a sphere,
it moved in a perfectly straight line and glowed purple on a perfectly clear
summer nite. It was very far away but I don't think it was further away than the
moon, but it was very far from Earth. I have never seen anything like it before
or since. If you saw how fast this thing was going and the fact that it was a
perfect sphere with no tail at all you would believe too, trust me, lol But
until then all I can say is, keep looking up :) Oh and 1 more thing I find
fascinating is why the government blacks out reports of UFO sightings and
information they have aquired, why are they unwilling to give us the truth and
act like there is some kind of coverup going on. If there was really nothing
there what would they have to hide then?

Aug 26, 2001, 9:39pm

I saw a UFO once... but I think it was more in the direction of a STEALTH
fighter or a jet fighter...

KAH

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Aug 26, 2001, 9:42pm

very far away, but not further than the moon? uh, I bet it was just a
halusination! often I "see" things nearly right outside of my angle of view,
but these things are creations of my minds because I can't really see stuff
in that direction... oh, and purple of all colours? had you been drinking?
this sounds like the space version of a pink elephant...

KAH

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Aug 27, 2001, 1:55pm

And then we bring out the nukes! :D Just playing devil's advocate here,
but perhaps they don't want to make direct contact for that very reason.
Then again they'd probably just ignore our planet anyways... Crop circle
phenomena are an illogical way to communicate, Captain.

SW Chris

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Aug 27, 2001, 1:56pm

If there really was substantial evidence that the aliens have landed, why
isn't it all over the news?

SW Chris

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Aug 27, 2001, 1:59pm

Um, actually some "abductions" as you call them are unexplainable. :)

SW Chris

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Aug 27, 2001, 2:13pm

Some people believe these UFO sightings are really not UFOs at all, but
rather manifestations of the spirit world. Why they become visible to the
human eye at times like this is odd.

And then the reason the government is likely blacking out all UFO reports is
probably because of their top secret research facility Area 51. Odds
indicate that scientists there have been experimenting with new aviation
technology for the past 40 years or so. I'm pretty sure that they don't
want the Islamic Jihad or Saddam Hussein to get ahold of one of those
babies, so the safest thign to do is black it out.

Now, consider the case of Salina, Kansas in the 1950's or 60's. I can't
remember which decade. :\ Interstate 70. One night a strange set of blue
and white streaks move quickly across the sky from the west horizon to dead
center over the overpass of I-70 and I-135 near Salina, KS. All vehicles in
that area go dead, presumably from Electro-magnetic pulse. They hover there
for a moment, still emitting the EMP. Cars won't start. But then they
streak off toward the east horizon and disappear in 10 seconds flat. The
drivers can start their cars again.

So are they UFOs, spirits, or a secret government project? With a truly
open mind to these phenomena, you will see that all are equally likely,
simply because the event gives no proof to any of these explainations. This
is not the case with crop circles. People have proven that man can make
crop circles. So that makes the hypothesis of crop circles being man made
more likely than aliens creating them.

Hmm.. maybe I should change my name to Spock. :)

Yours ever logically,
SW Spock.

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Aug 27, 2001, 2:47pm

heh, obviously they've left Area 51, maybe still some guards in the
perimeters... why? because of all the fun they had testing nukes before they
built the research facilities, and now nuke stuff is coming out of the
ground and the scientists sometimes had to flee because of it, so they've
probably built a new secret research facility, maybe inside a mountain this
time so no one has fun taking satelitte pictures of it... and a load of UFO
observations in the area was actually just transport planes with
scientists...

KAH

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Aug 27, 2001, 4:05pm

Yes but they are also proving this one picture I have shown here with over 400
circles in it would have been impossible #1 to make at night without
sophistacted laser type technology that only a limited amount of people would
have beacuse it is very exspensive to buy, then to lay it out just the center
stakes alone for the ropes would take an entire nite in itself, it just isn't
feasibly possible to do in a 16 hour period of time, that is not fiction that is
not man made, that is fact. Then to get it as perfect as it is and making 400+
circles, you would need an army of people out in that field and the presence of
people being there would probably be overwhelmingly obvious. They are finding
out that these plants have also had electric charges put thru them which started
at the base of the plant to bend it then traveled up the entire length of the
plant, they are guestimating that these crop circles, the authentic ones are
taking literally seconds to make. I've done the reading on it, have you?


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Aug 27, 2001, 6:50pm

ok, go believe that aliens that have fun making crop circles and follow Star
Trek rules are coming to Earth, but I tell you, they put people into mental
institutions for less... you said you've read about this, but how do you
know that's true? have you been at the site and studyed the plants for
yourself? and lets look at another thing like this, Nessie, the seaworm
thingy in Loch Ness: a photo from many, many decades ago with a dinosaur
like creature with a long neck sticking up of the water (look at
illustration below) was regarded as a real photo, as it was a respected
dentist that had taken it... but just before he died, he told the world that
it simply was a hoax after all, it was a figurine or something mounted on a
toy submarine... this is truly just another case like it, maybe they did it
while those other guys were watching them, and did it just to take some
pics, and it was all a lovely little hoax... your are simply naive if you
believe in it without further evidence...
this is what the Nessie pic looked like:
_
/ /
((/ /))

( hope you see what I mean)

KAH

Aug 27, 2001, 7:30pm

Actually, I heard once that the secret society of pranksters (forgot the
name of it, it's kinda like the Skulls and Bones at Yale) in many colleges,
the ones that toilet paper "important" statues of great figures in the
campus, or spraypaint story high paintings of Jesus high on crack and liking
it on religious buildings in one night, have also made crop circles down in
the midwest to tease a few folks. :) Got me if it's true, but there's the
army, and considering it only takes 1 or 2 hours to make the circles the
guys on TLC did, it couldn't be hard. They're not the circle designs that
are just made with a compass, but you never know the intelligence of a few
drunk college frat pranksters. They're out there...somewhere....lol.

Nornny

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Aug 27, 2001, 8:13pm

Sorry Nornny, that ain't going to fly with the scientists and researchers that
have investigated them. Just as you may think College students did this and
supposedly have gotten better at it or something so have the people that
actually do the scientific investigative work in the field. They would know the
difference. Just as the investigative people after a fire can go into any bldg
now and find out exactly what started it, it comes from expierience and knowing
what to look for.

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