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Nov 21, 1998, 10:22pm

I wish that when you purchased the server software you could run more
than ONE world, buying the same software again seems OTT..

Klassi

Nov 21, 1998, 11:33pm

you don't PURCHASE the world server software though - you download it :) or
so I thought...

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Nov 22, 1998, 1:10am

Yes you download it but it is useless, much like the browser software you need
a name and password to become a citizen, in this case to run a world.

Guess I will have to view it as a license to use the software, still think if
you already run a world you should get a 50% discount on a second after all 50%
is better than nothing which is what I am paying for the second world I dont
have...:-)

Klassi

[View Quote] > you don't PURCHASE the world server software though - you download it :) or
> so I thought...
>
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Nov 27, 1998, 1:18pm

You get a license for owning a world. The software is free.

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Nov 27, 1998, 5:42pm

You get a license for the "free" software too. May you just didn't read it.
As to say the software is free... like saying window shopping is free.

[View Quote] > You get a license for owning a world. The software is free.
>
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Nov 27, 1998, 6:32pm

So ask them and maybe they will give you a discount on additional licenses.
You won't know if you don't ask.

Paul

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Nov 27, 1998, 7:17pm

I did ask and was told I would have to pay again.. I expected to pay but not
exactly the same amount.. My world is running on a remote server so my PC is
totally free to run another, I wanted the second to try out objects that I would
have started making, being in the UK I cannot afford to keep a world running on
my PC 24/7 so I wanted a second world which would only appear when I was
online.. I did intend to work on fantasy creatures and scenes..

Klassi

[View Quote] > So ask them and maybe they will give you a discount on additional licenses.
> You won't know if you don't ask.
>
> Paul
>
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Nov 27, 1998, 7:34pm

Buy a car manual for $5000 and take the car free. I guess COF have to charge again
as some people would buy one and then strike a deal with a friend who wanted their
own world, which would mean that both would be paying 50% less for the world.. I
guess that could be one reason... I know many share their registered citizens..

Klassi.



[View Quote] > You get a license for the "free" software too. May you just didn't read it.
> As to say the software is free... like saying window shopping is free.
>
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Nov 28, 1998, 1:53pm

both 50%? If the first world costs 100% and the 2nd 50%, the average is 75%.
:-)

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Nov 28, 1998, 6:35pm

Well aware of that. COF don't do ANY discounts that I know about, maybe a few
behind the scene deals SO my calculations were based on a free second world,
that is what I was thinking anyway :-)....

[View Quote] > both 50%? If the first world costs 100% and the 2nd 50%, the average is 75%.
> :-)
>
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Nov 28, 1998, 7:53pm

I'd like to see the setup fee removed. That's all that is keeping me from
getting my own world. I'm not that rich... :-( Why does that setup fee
exist, anyway? Does it cost $80, just to tell the uniserver that it should
accept a new world called this with password that? They don't even have to
host my world... I think it would be less than 5mins of work to enable a
world.

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Nov 29, 1998, 7:12pm

Not many around seem that rich but I am glad they do charge or there would be
twice or three times as many worlds, ratio would be 3 worlds available per
citizen online.

Still you may get your wish as Roland did happen to like the idea of setting up
a service that could host thousands of worlds.

After the initial $69 dollars (one off) running a world on your own PC is very
cheap, infact it is virually free as you get a registered(or two) citizen thrown
in free, so for an PS8 world it would only cost you $3.95 per year extra...

I don't think that many people know just how cheap running a world is!....

Klassi

ps So when will we see Rolu world up and running?

[View Quote] > I'd like to see the setup fee removed. That's all that is keeping me from
> getting my own world. I'm not that rich... :-( Why does that setup fee
> exist, anyway? Does it cost $80, just to tell the uniserver that it should
> accept a new world called this with password that? They don't even have to
> host my world... I think it would be less than 5mins of work to enable a
> world.
>
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Nov 29, 1998, 7:40pm

The discouragement, I believe, is exactly why they have the set up fee.

In economics, pricing usually depends on the ability to provide a service to as
many people as the company can afford to while making money in the process.
It isn't how much it actually costs to start the world that they are charging
for in the set up fee. It is to protect themselves from thousands of worlds
being started by impulse buyers who will start a world and get bored with it
after a few weeks. These worlds would have to be supported by company
resources. AW is not powerful enough to host thousands of worlds (this is
what they tend to forget to mention). Nor was it designed to.

The impulse buyer would be more willing to support a $23 impulse buy, but would
think a second, third or fourth time before dishing out the current set up
fee. If not for the set up fee, the universe server would be flooded with
such frivolous worlds and the quality of the product would diminish from the
fact that the frivolous consumer wouldn't spend the time to make his or her
world a place of quality.

Even as it is now, I have seen worlds that have been purchased without any
planning or theme in mind. Once I was invited to a world and was immediately
set as PS and given ejection rights (without even requesting either) and told to
start building this and that. I didn't stay long.

If COF did not have to use their own resources to support each and every world,
the set up fee might not be so high, but as it is now, they have to just to
break even.

If I am wrong, just shoot me, but I am not far from wrong, I believe.

[View Quote] > I'd like to see the setup fee removed. That's all that is keeping me from
> getting my own world. I'm not that rich... :-( Why does that setup fee
> exist, anyway? Does it cost $80, just to tell the uniserver that it should
> accept a new world called this with password that? They don't even have to
> host my world... I think it would be less than 5mins of work to enable a
> world.
>
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Nov 29, 1998, 8:27pm

I'm *glad* the worlds aren't free. Like this only people who are seriously
interested will start a world. If it were free every fucking idiot would
start a world, and 3 out of 4 worlds you'd visit would be worthless...


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Nov 29, 1998, 8:30pm

Although your reply is somewhat longer than mine ;-), i agree with you.
Even if COF wouldn't really really need the money, I'd hope they kee the
high setup fee.
The number of 'impulsed' worlds is too high already now...

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Nov 29, 1998, 9:43pm

Yep. 2 out of 4 is enough.:)

[View Quote] > I'm *glad* the worlds aren't free. Like this only people who are seriously
> interested will start a world. If it were free every fucking idiot would
> start a world, and 3 out of 4 worlds you'd visit would be worthless...
>
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Nov 29, 1998, 10:23pm

I'm glad you're not going to study economy :))

--

[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Nov 30, 1998, 12:42am

This is a general response to msome not all of this thread :-)

Take into consideration an action game called "Subspace"
( a multi-player shoot em up game ) If you buy the cd a some local store ,
it'll have server software

needed for you to host your own game.
You Create a list of Favorite "zones" and they are the only ones displayed
on the game menu.
sorta let's you permantly cutting out the junk .

CoF could do something similar .
Sell worlds for a reasonable price < over the web , or in local stores >
You buy the world , set it up and when run it run , It "logs on" to the
universe < but the owner has to find a server for it>

The Subspace "Billing" server does not deal with any data from the client
software it just tracks what
zone is active and which isn't .. Thus thier servers aren't overloaded..

The aw client would just need 2 world lists . 1 is displayed like it is now
and holds you " favorites"
the 2nd is downloaded and displayed on demand and only used to modify you
favorites list

I mean , if some fool wants to shell out $40 - $60 and not use it , thats
thier problem , I'll never
bother having it on my world's list :-) but could give cof a chance at
higher sales = more funds =
more programers / advertisers / users , etc....


But I could be full of it :-)
this is only the Wishlist

Nov 30, 1998, 1:05am

Yes they were my thoughts more or less...

Klassi


[View Quote] > The discouragement, I believe, is exactly why they have the set up fee.
>
> In economics, pricing usually depends on the ability to provide a service to as
> many people as the company can afford to while making money in the process.
> It isn't how much it actually costs to start the world that they are charging
> for in the set up fee. It is to protect themselves from thousands of worlds
> being started by impulse buyers who will start a world and get bored with it
> after a few weeks. These worlds would have to be supported by company
> resources. AW is not powerful enough to host thousands of worlds (this is
> what they tend to forget to mention). Nor was it designed to.
>
> The impulse buyer would be more willing to support a $23 impulse buy, but would
> think a second, third or fourth time before dishing out the current set up
> fee. If not for the set up fee, the universe server would be flooded with
> such frivolous worlds and the quality of the product would diminish from the
> fact that the frivolous consumer wouldn't spend the time to make his or her
> world a place of quality.
>
> Even as it is now, I have seen worlds that have been purchased without any
> planning or theme in mind. Once I was invited to a world and was immediately
> set as PS and given ejection rights (without even requesting either) and told to
> start building this and that. I didn't stay long.
>
> If COF did not have to use their own resources to support each and every world,
> the set up fee might not be so high, but as it is now, they have to just to
> break even.
>
> If I am wrong, just shoot me, but I am not far from wrong, I believe.
>
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Nov 30, 1998, 1:09am

So you don't class yourself as an idiot but state in an abusive manner that
many are around, who made you god?.

I agree about the worthless worlds but most only visit them quickly , after
saying that some that seem useless to you are just what others are looking
for... horses for courses.

Klassi
[View Quote] > I'm *glad* the worlds aren't free. Like this only people who are seriously
> interested will start a world. If it were free every fucking idiot would
> start a world, and 3 out of 4 worlds you'd visit would be worthless...
>
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Nov 30, 1998, 1:12am

How many purchased a world on an impulse?.. Answer to the nearest 10....Also
answer why ALL the so called impulse buyers haven't sold their worlds at a
reduced price.

Klassi
[View Quote] > Although your reply is somewhat longer than mine ;-), i agree with you.
> Even if COF wouldn't really really need the money, I'd hope they kee the
> high setup fee.
> The number of 'impulsed' worlds is too high already now...
>
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Nov 30, 1998, 2:08pm

[View Quote] Nope. I know I don't have enough motivation to start a world and keep
running it. So I won't do it.

>but state in an abusive manner that
>many are around, who made you god?.

??? Did I say I was god? Sorry but then you have a big fantasy!

>
>I agree about the worthless worlds but most only visit them quickly , after
>saying that some that seem useless to you are just what others are looking
>for... horses for courses.

Yep. But you must agree that free worlds will result in more world; of which
a very high percentage won't really add something; they'll just polute the
worlds-list.

>
>Klassi
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Nov 30, 1998, 2:13pm

[View Quote] ???
What's your point?

>Also
>answer why ALL the so called impulse buyers haven't sold their worlds at a
>reduced price.

Am I supposed to answer some sort of question now? Well, I'm affraid you
haven't really made yourself clear enough to even make me understand the
question...

>
>Klassi
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Nov 30, 1998, 4:28pm

[View Quote] I know it's that cheap... it's only the initial fee that's keeping me away
from my world...

>
>Klassi
>
>ps So when will we see Rolu world up and running?

It already is... :-) it's a trial world, RoluGate. However, not a real fancy
world. I use it to experiment, so there's 'junk' all over :-) I'll build
some nice things, but I'm first going to make the RWXes for them. I'm going
to buy a world together with Fluxen, and then we will build a real world.
:-)

>
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Nov 30, 1998, 5:15pm

[View Quote] That's what I mean:
I didn't say I am god, and I don't why you think that I think so.
Well...??
I just said:
Only some of the worlds are worth visiting. If starting a world will be
cheaper; the number of worlds that ain't world visiting will rise faster
than the number of worlds that IS worth visiting...
And I don't like that.

>
>--
>
>[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
>[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
>[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]
>
>The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
>-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
>
>
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Nov 30, 1998, 6:54pm

What you do is fine, what you think about others is fine, what you say about
others isn't if it is a general abusive comment.

You said, " Sorry but I have a big fantasy".. If you believe what I said was
anything but symbolic you misunderstood.

Obviously free worlds would result in more worlds, and more worlds would mean
more to sort through and many wouldn't be that good BUT lots would be. I have
always been against free worlds, but for a discount on a second and or third
world.

Klassi

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Nov 30, 1998, 7:04pm

My point is that you state many things from your point of view and state them as
facts, I was simply asking for the facts knowing that you couldn't possibly
answer the question/s.

Klassi

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Nov 30, 1998, 7:47pm

[View Quote] Gimme a break, man!
What the heck are you brabbling about? I said nothing abusive.
And if u do think so, you have, as I said, a BIG fantasy.
But don't get back on me for it..

>You said, " Sorry but I have a big fantasy".. If you believe what I said
was
>anything but symbolic you misunderstood.

I hope so... I don't believe in (a) god(s) so I hope I am not a god myself,
cause that would mean..... ;-)


>Obviously free worlds would result in more worlds, and more worlds would
mean
>more to sort through and many wouldn't be that good BUT lots would be. I
have
>always been against free worlds

I am too, so why are we flaming if we agree.

>but for a discount on a second and or third world.

I had already understood that that was your point.
And indeed it's not a bad idea.

Nov 30, 1998, 7:56pm

As I now *do* understand what you want, here is a reply.

[View Quote] Of course I don't know any numbers. DUH!!
But neither do you.

>Also answer why ALL the so called impulse buyers haven't sold
>their worlds at a
>reduced price.

Because if you buy something and sell it for reduced price, you lose money.
DUHH!!
That's one of the first rules of logic I guess..

>Klassi
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Nov 30, 1998, 9:25pm

[View Quote] > Gimme a break, man!

Woman actually.. No cute remarks please..

> What the heck are you brabbling about? I said nothing abusive.
> And if u do think so, you have, as I said, a BIG fantasy.But don't get back
> on me for it..

You want me to quote you, "If it were free every fucking idiot would start a
world".

That is general and abusive. Thinking about it, it isn't so much what you said
but the way you said it :-)

> was
>
> I hope so... I don't believe in (a) god(s) so I hope I am not a god myself,
> cause that would mean..... ;-)
>

Sounds like a contradiction in terms to me.. In english just plain nuts.

> mean
> have
>
> I am too, so why are we flaming if we agree.
>

I don't recognize flaming, if I don't agree with some of what you say, I simply
reply saying so.. Nothing personal you could be anyone and I would answer the
same.I guess I just feel more strongly about something's, that is what makes
individuals interesting, our diversity.

>
> I had already understood that that was your point.
> And indeed it's not a bad idea.

Add it to my wish list!

Klassi

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