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Sep 12, 2004, 12:35am

On behave of Nightraven and I, we hope all the citizens will use and enjoy
the new streaming media objects that were donated to Activeworlds.
awmov20.rwx - awmov20w.rwx
awmov10.rwx - awmov10w.rwx
awmov5.rwx - awmov5w.rwx
stv05.rwx - stv05w.rwx
stv1.rwx - stv1w.rwx
stv15.rwx - stv15w.rwx
stv2.rwx - stv2w.rwx
I was told they will be loaded next week!

Sep 12, 2004, 2:03am

Hooray! Thanks, OneSummer and Nightraven! Wait, is it in Alphaworld, right?
:) Always been waiting for new objects to be added in Alphaworld. Always
have been. :)

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 12, 2004, 5:05pm

Hopefully this is a start of AWI accepting more object donations to alpha
world. Alpha World is really behind and needs all the help it can get.
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Sep 12, 2004, 7:03pm

Yeah, they're being uploaded as part of Lara's prize I think? Or is this
a separate thing?

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Sep 12, 2004, 8:08pm

They are part of Lara's prize. I think Lara should be given some credit.
If it wasn't for her, we probably would never see these objects uploaded to
the AW op.

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Sep 13, 2004, 12:25am

Now WHY? exactly does aw not accept more objects! it saves them work...they
don't need to make more, and clearly its win win...
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Sep 13, 2004, 1:06am

Daphne had been working on getting the new objects approved for a while.
She was the main one working very hard to get them together for AWI. It
came to a stop when she had passed on. Andras had picked it up and got
it going again. So it HAD been worked on for some time.. it's just now
being uploaded. Lara also won a prize to pick a few objects to be added
as well and tunablues and dreamer had pitched in also. It just takes
AWI some time because the registry has to be updated as well and they
are also working on a junkload of other things as well. So it has been
being worked on for quite some time CP... it just takes time!!! lol :o)

[View Quote] > Now WHY? exactly does aw not accept more objects! it saves them work...they
> don't need to make more, and clearly its win win...
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Sep 13, 2004, 1:33am

It took AWI overnight to update the registry for AWTeen which had been
requested the previous night. Surely they can be as efficient with Alpha
World

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Sep 13, 2004, 1:36am

Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't Alphaworld registry larger than
AWTeen's?

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 13, 2004, 1:38am

AWTeen's registry is *much* larger than Alpha World's. They keep getting
objects added every day, so their OP must be over 3 times larger than Alpha
World's.

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Sep 13, 2004, 2:03am

It still takes time. Andras and a few others had to get objects to meet
certain specs for Alpha as well. AWI has to upload the objects to the
path themselves whereas in AWTeen, the CT can upload them and just email
AWI the new registry. Along with the many other jobs and tasks that
they have to do, things still take time, even if it is smaller than
AWTeen's.

[View Quote] > It took AWI overnight to update the registry for AWTeen which had been
> requested the previous night. Surely they can be as efficient with Alpha
> World
>
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Sep 13, 2004, 2:53am

And what if the lines of registry were included with the donation? I know
one case where it was, and it was still ignored.
They've had...*counts it*...32 months now since the last object addition.
Ever crappy old freeware gets updated more frequently than that :P

On top of accepting object donations on a regular basis, they could add
already existing objects that AWI from other worlds that they own (some of
which are either long abandoned or gone),


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Sep 13, 2004, 3:20am

I don't know how they are with uploading new things to Alpha but I do
know they like it to work out right the first time since Alpha is the
largest world and pretty much the heart of AW. I think it would be nice
to get additions more often as well as the next. All I know is that Daph
had been working on them for a while to get them ready and it was put to
a halt when she had passed on. It just now got finished since Andras
picked up where she left off and with help from a few others. I agree
though on what you said at the bottom, it would be neat if some other
objects from other worlds could be added as well. I'm happy that they
got the new objects that they did though. :o)

[View Quote] > And what if the lines of registry were included with the donation? I know
> one case where it was, and it was still ignored.
> They've had...*counts it*...32 months now since the last object addition.
> Ever crappy old freeware gets updated more frequently than that :P
>
> On top of accepting object donations on a regular basis, they could add
> already existing objects that AWI from other worlds that they own (some of
> which are either long abandoned or gone),
>
>
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Sep 13, 2004, 3:35am

It's a separate thing. The objects Onesummer spoke of (new streaming media objects) are not part of the prize I won in AWTrivia. The prize I won was the right to have one object put into Alphaworld. In talking to Daphne before she died, she thought she could probably get Rick to accept a "set" (or two, or three) of objects rather than just one object. So, I enlisted tunablues and dreamer2 to make some sets of things to submit. They assembled Nomad's curved glass walls/curved floors or ceilings to match, plus dreamer made a door frame and glass door to complete the pp16 glass set. Dreamer also made some very cool 3D spheres that can accept texture or jpeg. Tuna and dreamer a bunch of absolutely lovely 3D trees. Andras has been instrumental in helping us get all this together - several "sets" of cool stuff to submit as my "one object" prize. Daphne would be happy! :-)

I didn't know anything about Onesummer and Nightraven making streaming media objects for alphaworld until reading it here in the NG. So, yeah, their submissions are completely separate from my prize things. Being on dialup, streaming media objects are not something that would ever occur to me, but I'm sure those will be cool. Me...I'm looking forward to the new trees, spheres, and curved glass walls. ;-)

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Sep 13, 2004, 4:51am

Such as---? All of the AWI worlds are still intact, such as The13th (The
13th Floor), Centro (Centropolis), Nettaxi, COFMeta (Metatropolis), ABC
(Simple Geometry), and other countless worlds. I don't recall where a world
simply vanishes with its objects. NewAW, maybe, but it's still closed, so
doesn't mean it's gone either, just merely a testing ground (at least
according to what I'm hearing from certain AWI officials in their posting in
newsgroup). So far, all worlds owned by AWI since 1999 has remained in
existence. Of course, that brings up another question: If objects are to be
transferred from another world to Alphaworld, then it may need polishing to
keep it up to date with latest version, since many worlds' object path are
pretty much full of outdated objects (perhaps exception for Mars but that's
only for new object added to it, not the old objects fixed up). Anyway, I
think that's all I can think of! LOL I'm just tired and having a hard time
sleeping. =P

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 13, 2004, 4:54am

AW's is tiny compared to AWTeens. Our AWTeen object path is updated in some
way at least once a month, be it models, textures, sounds etc.

- Mark R

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Sep 13, 2004, 4:58am

You would think, being a software company and all they would well... write
some software to do it and upload, as it could be cached...


RWX Reader + FTP + History + Bot = Seconds to do job instead of months.

- MR

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Sep 13, 2004, 5:13am

[View Quote] Yup, they need to hire programmers to do simple jobs too. I figured
this was mousty's job.. but I really can't figure out what Mousty
did/does. Or if she has any experience, short of Visual Basic 101 that is.

Sep 13, 2004, 5:23am

This aint a 'simple' task, its a click your fingers task task... any one of
the 3 programmers could do it in minutes, if they knew what the registery
way set out like etc im pretty certain any decent coder could do it in a few
minutes.

As for Mousty... no comment.

- Mark R

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Sep 13, 2004, 5:48am

I doubt Mousty is AWI employee, let alone being a programmer at AWI.

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 13, 2004, 6:44am

Huh? I never said that any objects have "vanished" or that any AWI world
hasn't remained intact. ;)

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Sep 13, 2004, 9:55am

Oops! Sorry, wrong reply lol. I meant to reply to SW Communist--err I mean
SW Comit. ;) Me tired. :P

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 13, 2004, 12:44pm

last i heard she was contracted just to do the DLL server for NewAW2 which
would take about 1 weeks work.

- MR

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Sep 13, 2004, 4:38pm

Well it looks like they are still around, but more importantly they're just
as popular as the other hundreds and hundreds of worlds with 0 people in
them. They might as well be gone :P
So put those objects to use >_<

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Sep 13, 2004, 5:07pm

[View Quote] Integreating with FTP in bot form? Longer than a few minutes I'm
afraid. Maybe a few weeks, considering a normal work, and the things
that need to be done before that. Surely without integration with FTP,
just reading in the text file and appending information to the end, it
would be easy, and definately not minutes.

I'm going to piss into the wind and hazzard you've done little to no
actual development, especially out of visual basic, where you need to
work out bugs on something that's going to be put into a live, income
related, product. You don't want to bam your way through it, you
definately don't want something that could crash the application either.
Test test test.

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Sep 13, 2004, 5:28pm

FTP is a plain text protocol, wouldent be too difficult. The only thing you
need a bot for is to connect to the world server and call reload registery,
and a simple loop to check and update if the item is not already in.

Using premade classes and good OOP wouldent take much at all.

By the way... You do know more corprate systems are developed in VB than any
other language? Thats why they use VBA, because it is pointless to use a
rediculously complex language for something best suited to the VB interface.
I think you will find in each year there is a lot more development in Visual
Basic than there is in C++, because when people want software, they want
good software and they want it there and then, the logical solution is VB.

Dare I actually ask if you can do VB and use it to its maximum potential
Bowen? Do you perhaps have a little experience with it, or none at all. I
have several years to develop with it and must have put over 5,000 hours
solid hours in, sometimes 15 to 18 hours at a time developing solutions to
AW and other problems. Just today I wrote a browser application for a CD I
produced, neat little thing, took a few days to write, day or so to debug,
nice little solution.

- Mark R


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Sep 13, 2004, 6:15pm

I think part of the reason AWI doesn't take donations is because they're
afraid of copyright issues...like somebody submitting an object that doesn't
belong to them.


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Sep 13, 2004, 7:26pm

Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying this. I was a little confused since both
sets are on display in the same world.

[View Quote] > It's a separate thing. The objects Onesummer spoke of (new streaming media objects) are not part of the prize I won in AWTrivia. The prize I won was the right to have one object put into Alphaworld. In talking to Daphne before she died, she thought she could probably get Rick to accept a "set" (or two, or three) of objects rather than just one object. So, I enlisted tunablues and dreamer2 to make some sets of things to submit. They assembled Nomad's curved glass walls/curved floors or ceilings to match, plus dreamer made a door frame and glass door to complete the pp16 glass set. Dreamer also made some very cool 3D spheres that can accept texture or jpeg. Tuna and dreamer a bunch of absolutely lovely 3D trees. Andras has been instrumental in helping us get all this together - several "sets" of cool stuff to submit as my "one object" prize. Daphne would be happy! :-)
>
> I didn't know anything about Onesummer and Nightraven making streaming media objects for alphaworld until reading it here in the NG. So, yeah, their submissions are completely separate from my prize things. Being on dialup, streaming media objects are not something that would ever occur to me, but I'm sure those will be cool. Me...I'm looking forward to the new trees, spheres, and curved glass walls. ;-)
>
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Sep 13, 2004, 7:29pm

It didn't work out right the last time they did it... in fact, the last
time they did it seemed very, very rushed.

The objects added last time were going to be part of some AWBuild
project... and were added just after the price rise... with texture
overwrites galore.

white1 is still overwritten, and now it's hard to decide wether it
should be fixed. The new white1 is a useful texture and even I have used it.

[View Quote] > I don't know how they are with uploading new things to Alpha but I do
> know they like it to work out right the first time since Alpha is the
> largest world and pretty much the heart of AW. I think it would be nice
> to get additions more often as well as the next. All I know is that Daph
> had been working on them for a while to get them ready and it was put to
> a halt when she had passed on. It just now got finished since Andras
> picked up where she left off and with help from a few others. I agree
> though on what you said at the bottom, it would be neat if some other
> objects from other worlds could be added as well. I'm happy that they
> got the new objects that they did though. :o)
>
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Sep 14, 2004, 1:12am

[View Quote] That is, and will always be, an oxymoron.

> Dare I actually ask if you can do VB and use it to its maximum
> potential Bowen? Do you perhaps have a little experience with it, or
> none at all. I have several years to develop with it and must have
> put over 5,000 hours solid hours in, sometimes 15 to 18 hours at a
> time developing solutions to AW and other problems. Just today I
> wrote a browser application for a CD I produced, neat little thing,
> took a few days to write, day or so to debug, nice little solution.

The problem is you have no real world experience out of your little
"box". VB is not the best way to go, certainly isn't the most secure,
it won't be "good", and it's not logical. Easy? Yes, Fast? For
prototyping. Long term? I'd say no. Portability? No.

I can use it for what I need it for... which is nothing. Anyways, I'd
say that Java and C++ are at a hold for the first and second in the job
market, then VB, then COBOL and the rest of the antiquated langauges
(because there are still servers that haven't been updated).

Just because the CEO says it's good doesn't make it good. I hope you
learn that, I also hope you learn that just because you say it's right
doesn't make it right. Anyways, go ahead and make your little FTP talk
with the server and update registry bot in a few minutes. Also, make it
not depend on Windows, I dare you. If I can compile it with no problem
on linux, and it was developed in a few minutes, maybe I'll take what
"wisdom" you pass off to me. Hell, compile it into a library (.so) and
give it to me so I can see if you know what you're doing.

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