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Dec 27, 2003, 5:45am

It is disappointing general discussion newsgroup was deleted. I can
understand the reason, but do not understand, and have a hard time with the
coldness in which the community has responded to Elven's problems posted to
the newsgroup. Elven talked about problems at the gate and was personally
attacked. Elven, I am encouraging you to repost your concerns in this
community ng.

ENZO, you respond well regarding ng content complaints. Please consider the
same response regarding gate unfairness and/or abuse. Yes, Elven can send
an email to you, but solving problems through email does not encourage the
community to problem solve together. I hope you will consider allowing the
newsgroup to be a community problem solving avenue for AW.

Dec 27, 2003, 8:43am

What are you trying to do? Get this one shut down too? If s/he posts here
it'll start over!

~John

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Dec 27, 2003, 12:53pm

Yes, there's a good chance it will start over. But with a charter in place
in this newsgroup, there's a code of conduct that must be followed.

Elven, how about it? You said you would face these issues head on at your
house in Alpha World. But really, they need to be posted in this moderated
community forum - which is the proper place to face gate issues.

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Dec 27, 2003, 3:43pm

I agree with John. And if I may reiterate one point here, without starting
this whole stupid mess over again. The *problem* we all had was NOT with
EP's sexual orientation. It was her arrogant and condescending manner to
everybody on the NG when we tried to tell her to stop doing the GKs job when
a GK was on duty.
I suspected she VR married FF to forward her own agenda. It wasn't until
AFTER all this started that her pre-op MtF status came to light, and EP
herself tried to make this into a "sexual prejudise" issue.
The only problem most of had with EP's sexual orientation was the fact she
deceived FF about it. Period. End of discussion. PLZ.

Tart Sugar

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Dec 27, 2003, 3:54pm

E N Z O Please delete!
E N Z O No no no! Delete is instead!
E N Z O Ban Him Ban Him!
E N Z O Thats not fair! She should be banned! IM GONNA SHOUT IN CAPS!
E N Z O he is shouting in caps, BAN HIM!!!

Seriously... Grow up...

- Mark R

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Dec 27, 2003, 4:50pm

There is a problem with inconsistency in the way guidelines are enforced at
the gate. I see it myself. For someone to speak up about it is admirable.
The way in which they do that should be given a lot of preparation
beforehand. I'm not sure what Elven's agenda clearly was. We'd have to ask
her that. We can suspect a lot of things, but I'm not going to speculate.

When Elven tried to post her concerns to general discussion ng, she was
flamed for the post being too long. Come on! We are a community of people
that should be able to discuss such issues in an adult like fashion.
Flaming for silliness such as how long your post is or a one liner telling
someone to shut up is childish and doesn't help to solve the real issue.

As I said above, we'd have to ask Elven what her agenda was. I'm trying to
get her to post to this community ng. It's up to her. But I truly hope
this is not the end of the discussion. This needs to be resolved.

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Dec 27, 2003, 5:10pm

"....we tried to tell her to stop doing the GKs job when a GK was on duty."

This program started in 1995, around June or July I believe... The GKs as
an organization didn't start till near the end of 1997... Would you like
to guess who did "the GKs job" before there were GKs???

The answer is that anyone that had the answer to a question being asked
would share it with the person asking... That person would usually pass on
the info if it was asked by someone else too.. In that way, people learned
this program...

In other words, there is NO REASON that GKs should think they have the
franchise on answering questions no matter where or when the question is
asked... Instead, they should try not being so arrogant about being a GK
and look at a non-GK helping as just that --- one person helping another...

Believe it or not, others helping out still goes on a lot, just not at the
Gate... At the Gate, the arrogant GKs in the group have threatened and
bullied people that are inclined to help into not doing so... That is sad...
I was even threatened with ejection if I didn't stop helping a person that
asked me for help at the Gate so I do know that some GKs are totally full of
themselves!!!

The Gate does NOT belong to the GKs... It belongs to AWI and through them,
their users...


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Dec 27, 2003, 6:23pm

Lady please read and understand the following. We wouldn't want the police
after you for any reason...

CRIMES AND OFFENSES (TITLE 18)
Chapter 55. Riot, Disorderly Conduct and Related Offenses
5503. Disorderly conduct.
(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with
intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly
creating a risk thereof, he:


1.. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous
behavior;
2.. makes unreasonable noise;
3.. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4.. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which
serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third
degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious
inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable
warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary
offense.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public" means affecting
or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial
group has access; among the places included are highways, transport
facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or
amusement, any neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.



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Dec 27, 2003, 7:48pm

On 27 Dec 2003 14:10:58 -0500, daphne wrote the following message
<3fedd942 at server1.Activeworlds.com>:

>"....we tried to tell her to stop doing the GKs job when a GK was on duty."
>
>This program started in 1995, around June or July I believe... The GKs as
>an organization didn't start till near the end of 1997... Would you like
>to guess who did "the GKs job" before there were GKs???
<snip>

Well said Daphne, well said!

Sincerely,
Anduin
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Dec 27, 2003, 7:52pm

What is Maki's roll in the awgate webpage, sponsoring the gate, etc?


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Dec 27, 2003, 7:59pm

OH, plz. *rolls eyes* Daphne, do you even know what the problem was with
Elven Princess???
When a newbie asked, "Is there a GK here?" and you have 2 or 3 ppl answering
back, "Can I help you?" - THAT was the problem. EP was just more insistant
than the others trying to help. THAT'S what was causing so much confusion at
The Gate.
OK - GKs do not have "the francise" on answering questions at The Gate. Then
tell me what, exactly, are they there for? To babysit? To mindlessly post
macros? (which totally annoys ppl, btw) Or to *try* and enforce the joke of
G-rated chat room guidelines????
I had no problem with other users answering all the questions they wanted to
their little heart's desire, when I didn't know the answer. I was the first
to admit when I didn't have an answer and threw it out to the room. I even
had a macro I created for myself stating that I kne44w bupkis about Tech
Support that Capaboo liked so much, she asked if she could *steal* it for
herself. YES! Some GKs are totally full of themselves. I agree. I don't even
go into The Gate when certain GKs are on duty. BUT - when a person asks for
a GK ---
LET THE GK ANSWER!
I had a Cit gram me once with a suggestion while I was on duty. I was having
a hard time getting through the concept of "G rated" to some tourists from
Brazil. This Cit told me that ppl from Brazil see no problem with talking
about sex openly. It is their culture. I grammed back a TY! and said I had
not thought of that. He then grammed me back and said - No, thank-YOU for
listening. He said GKs rarely did.
In that instance, I was more than grateful for the help. But when a Cit is
posting the EXACT same macro as the GK on duty, either one second before or
one second after the GK on duty does - then YES - I got pissed. Why have GKs
at all?

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Dec 27, 2003, 8:43pm

[View Quote] To eject anyone they don't like. And to mindlessly post macros.

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Dec 27, 2003, 9:46pm

ROTFLMAO Yep yep.
At least I made ppl LoL whenever I GK'd. I did not take myself too
seriously. I would whisper to my ATL, "Can I eject so-and-so for a week cuz
they're obnoxious?" And of course, she'd say No. So I would *kick my puter
and mumbles under breath* - My ATL never lets me have ANY fun.
I had a macro that said .... Puts macros on auto-pilot and takes a snooze.
hee heeeeeee

Tart Sugar
The older I get, the better I used to be.


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Dec 27, 2003, 11:02pm

"When a newbie asked, "Is there a GK here?" and you have 2 or 3 ppl
answering
back, "Can I help you?" - THAT was the problem. EP was just more insistant"


I believe the bold feature will help people to distinguish the GK if they
ask specifically for one. Who cares if other ppl offer to help....Nothing to
get upset over.


"tell me what, exactly, are they there for? To babysit? To mindlessly post
macros? (which totally annoys ppl, btw) Or to *try* and enforce the joke of
G-rated chat room guidelines????"


For the majority I would choose the macros one, but there are a lot who do
help out really well :))


"But when a Cit is
posting the EXACT same macro as the GK on duty, either one second before or
one second after the GK on duty does - then YES - I got pissed. Why have GKs
at all?"


Most ppl will deliberately do that because they know that GK's are strict.
Like I said before, the bold feature works wonders. So what if cits are
doing it....maybe they just want to help out. If they are scolded or
ejected for it, I'd say that person's plans to someday BE a GK just went
right out the window. Don't ya think?




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Dec 28, 2003, 5:07am

it wasnt because of elven, it was because of matt that loser.

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Dec 28, 2003, 2:32pm

""Then
> tell me what, exactly, are they there for? To babysit? To mindlessly post
> macros? (which totally annoys ppl, btw) Or to *try* and enforce the joke
of
> G-rated chat room guidelines????"" (from Tart Sugar)

Hello Tart Sugar...
I feel GKs are there to help Active Worlds gain more citizens and they do
that by offering newbies the basic "tools" they need to be able to use the
program... Not knowing what to do in such a strange environment (as VR is
to many people) can be quite scary and frustrating... And a scared,
frustrated newbie is a GONE one...

You have the BOLD text and that will make anything you say more noticable...
It should not bother you when others answer... If they are giving the right
answer then more power to them... You can take it easy and just listen
incase the answers given are wrong.. Then jump in with your BOLD with the
right answer if you know it...

You seem to want to do an excellent job as a GK but I think your "GK cloak"
seems to not be doing it's job well enough if your macros being repeated is
bothering you... I've always been told that imitation is the sincerest form
of flattery.. :o)

Go over the Guidelines and other tips you should have gotten during training
so that less things bother you while on the job...


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Dec 28, 2003, 6:43pm

[View Quote] YES!!! ty I absolutely, totally agree with you, Daphne. Tourists who can
not get their questions answered will not buy a Cit.

> You have the BOLD text and that will make anything you say more
noticable...
> It should not bother you when others answer... If they are giving the
right
> answer then more power to them... You can take it easy and just listen
> incase the answers given are wrong.. Then jump in with your BOLD with the
> right answer if you know it...

It never did bother me when others answered. Heck - if somebody else was
more knowlegable about certain subjects - go for it. You are missing my
point. Ppl who feel the need to do the GKs job, e.i. warning ppl that they
are not staying within the G rated guidelines of The Gate, to stop flooding,
<whatever>, was my problem. I have always
found that when Cits, (not GKs) warn a tourist in The Gate, a fight breaks
out. The tourist wanted to know by what RIGHT the non-GK had to warn them of
anything. Then it is up to the GK on duty to restore peace. Not an easy job
by then.

>
> You seem to want to do an excellent job as a GK but I think your "GK
cloak"
> seems to not be doing it's job well enough if your macros being repeated
is
> bothering you... I've always been told that imitation is the sincerest
form
> of flattery.. :o)

Again, you missed my point. See above paragraph.

> Go over the Guidelines and other tips you should have gotten during
training
> so that less things bother you while on the job...

The guidelines??? They state that a GK does NOT need to warn a person
before ejecting them under certain circumstances, which is to be solely up
to the GKs discretion and judgement. Can you imagine what happens when a
person is ejected without warning? The GK gets a nasty-gram attack, followed
by that person eventually returning to The Gate with MAJOR issues, and feels
the need to post such issues in The Gate to get everybody else all riled up,
too. OY VEY!!!!
And I was VERY well trained by my ATL, NaughtyRedHead, tyvm, and I did her
proud.
I quit the GKs, along with my WHOLE team, because our TL didn't do diddly
squat except violate rules and basically treat her team like Second Class
Citizens.
Let me address this statement you made, Daphne ...
"The Gate does NOT belong to the GKs... It belongs to AWI and through
them, their users..."

If AWI had been paying ANY attention whatsoever to what was going on within
my team, then AWI would NOT have lost 3 VERY good GKs. As it was, we
complained, we filed formal complaints, we offered up PROOF that our TL and
her ETL hubby were violating numerous rules and codes of conduct. These
letters were automatically sent to all the ETLs and Mountain Myst, too.
And what happened? N O T H I N G
We were left to hang and twist in the wind. We all wanted transfers to a
different team, but we were denied. We were left with no other option but to
resign.

Tart Sugar


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Dec 28, 2003, 8:44pm

On 28 Dec 2003 15:43:28 -0500, tart sugar wrote the following message
<3fef4070 at server1.Activeworlds.com>:

<snip>
>
>It never did bother me when others answered. Heck - if somebody else was
>more knowlegable about certain subjects - go for it. You are missing my
>point. Ppl who feel the need to do the GKs job, e.i. warning ppl that they
>are not staying within the G rated guidelines of The Gate, to stop flooding,
><whatever>, was my problem. I have always found that when Cits, (not GKs)
>warn a tourist in The Gate, a fight breaks out. The tourist wanted to know
>by what RIGHT the non-GK had to warn them of anything. Then it is up to the
>GK on duty to restore peace. Not an easy job by then.
<snip>

I'm sorry, but I am missing the point here. Since when does a *new*
tourist know the difference between a GateKeeper and a regular citizen.
They do not know what the *bold* writing signifies nor what rights this
mysterious bold person has. What is eject? Some come to AW with no
previous chatting experience.

I see no problem in a regular citizen asking a new tourist to stop
flooding and telling them exactly *what* they are doing wrong and that
it is annoying and could result in being kicked out of the public chat
room.

I feel that you were perhaps a little power hungry and loved your
rights, perhaps a little too much ;o)

Sincerely,
Anduin
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Dec 28, 2003, 9:19pm

On 28 Dec 2003 - Daphne wrote the following message
>
> <snip>

they
flooding,
know
the
> <snip>

[View Quote] *sigh* That is what the GK explains. We have a macro for that. Explaining
what the roll of a GK is, and what all the different font colors are.

> I see no problem in a regular citizen asking a new tourist to stop
> flooding and telling them exactly *what* they are doing wrong and that
> it is annoying and could result in being kicked out of the public chat
> room.

*Asking* is all right. Warning them to stop, or else - THAT is a big
problem.

> I feel that you were perhaps a little power hungry and loved your
> rights, perhaps a little too much ;o)
> Sincerely,
> Anduin

LMAO!!! Oh, plz. I have heard that accusation against certain other GKs,
but never myself. If anything, I was more lax at The Gate than most other
GKs. I took the job seriously, but never myself. I rarely ejected anybody.
I don't recall ever seeing you in The Gate, Anduin. Did I just miss you all
the time? I am wondering on what you are basing your opinion?

Tart Sugar

Dec 28, 2003, 9:31pm

From my own experience, I've seen GK's back off and allow citizens to help
out at the gate. So there is some tolerance when a citizen wants to help
out. On the other hand, I would like more information about why Maki
sponsors the gate. He offers email addresses and a url. Why doesn't AW Inc
put up a site? Any explanation? Is this a franchise on helping?

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Dec 29, 2003, 6:35am

"The guidelines??? They state that a GK does NOT need to warn a person
before ejecting them under certain circumstances, which is to be solely up
to the GKs discretion and judgement. "

Technically, AWGate is under AWI rules since it is an AWI owned world, and
they should give a warning before an ejection.

"Can you imagine what happens when a
person is ejected without warning? The GK gets a nasty-gram attack, followed
by that person eventually returning to The Gate with MAJOR issues, and feels
the need to post such issues in The Gate to get everybody else all riled
up."

Yes, thats understandable, because they didnt get a warning, therefore they
are unaware of what they did wrong if they are new, thus another future
citzen, GK, etc., out the window. Perhaps if the gate used warnings as
other AWI worlds do, you wouldnt get bombed with grams or even have that
tourist/citizen come back into the world and start up even more trouble ;)



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Dec 29, 2003, 6:29pm

[View Quote] I absolutely agree. I ALWAYS warned, even as much as 4 times, before I
ejected anybody. After the 3rd warning in whisper, the offender usually got
it through their head that I wasn't kidding, and ejection wasn't necessary.
LoL
I don't agree with the Guidelines on that point.

>
> "Can you imagine what happens when a
> person is ejected without warning? The GK gets a nasty-gram attack,
followed
> by that person eventually returning to The Gate with MAJOR issues, and
feels
> the need to post such issues in The Gate to get everybody else all riled
> up."
>
> Yes, thats understandable, because they didnt get a warning, therefore
they
> are unaware of what they did wrong if they are new, thus another future
> citzen, GK, etc., out the window. Perhaps if the gate used warnings as
> other AWI worlds do, you wouldnt get bombed with grams or even have that
> tourist/citizen come back into the world and start up even more trouble ;)

Again - I absolutely agree. I ALWAYS warned, even as much as 4 times, before
I ejected anybody. I don't agree with the Guidelines on that point.
I am intrigured by this statement - "Perhaps if the gate used warnings as
other AWI worlds do,..."
Are The Gate warnings different from other world's warnings? The Gate has a
bot that will whisper the rules to you upon you entering, and also the GKs
have a standard set of "warning macros" along with "help macros".

>
>
>
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Dec 29, 2003, 8:35pm

It does seem a whole lot of issues here have risen at once and been
confused, and this can be easliy done when people are personally attacked in
the way EP was. It also leads to further questions that we should ask about
ourselves and the soceity within which we live.

I agree with TheLady. This forum is for the community in which we live and
those who can not make an intelegent response to any post should really
think,(or try to think) before doing so.

In any community a linch mob effect can be created very easily and GK's or
PK's play an important role in mediating this so it is crucial to have
trusted people who are well selected for this job. And consistency within
this is vital.

They ought to be impartial- but this seems to be an issue which keeps
cropping up and is not to many citizens experience as is proof of reading
here in this forum.

Difficult problem to solve that one all will agree- and personal prejustices
always lie within any person- but I have seen the PK and GK role done very
effectively by some, myself only ever having had one complaint myself- and I
may also add that the matter was given an understanding and happy resolve
too.

Do we want a society where we cant discuss matters that are controversial?
Do we want to deal with our prejustices and thoughts on issues? Or do we
just want to sweep it under the carpet? Censorship is another a difficult
subject that I feel has been raised here... and should be considered deeply
before being put to use.. and rational, respectful discussion is the only
way to resolve certain matters, even if it is to agree to disagree.

As long as the discussion is kept to guidelines as TheLady points out and
discussions/points of view are put across intelegently without prejustice
and with tact and respect, there should be no problem... and to be brutally
honest- I have seen this done by many-in many different areas of general
life- and all with the greatest of ease too.

All it is, is just a matter of thinking instead of responding in an
emotional and egotistcal manner.

It also seems to me that avoiding the subject of EP's post by suggesting
that the post was somehow "too long" is not really a very intelegent
response-absurd infact- and a complete cop out of examining her points of
view, maybe it is too long for certain readers.. and one has to wonder just
exactly why that is...?

In any case as a Citizen it is my and any of your rights to place a point of
view on this forum, in an intelegent and respectful manner to any length.
And I think it is important remember too, you don't have to read it. But if
you do and wish to respond- (and you only have a right to respond if you do
read it all), just try to understand and formulate a balanced oppinion
before acting out of emotion and responding with things like just "Shut up".
Really all that says is that I cannot put forward an intelegent response.

We are all adults and when certain issues are addressed we should, in my
mind be able to discuss them in the manner above, Hell, Im only 24, I
shouldnt be having to discuss these simple matters of ratioanlity in this
day and age..and it would be foolish to speculate on peoples agendas in my
oppinion on them without discussing the issuse with, or knowing the person
involved first in depth.
Unless ofcourse you have a mind probe.... in which case you can tell exactly
what they are thinking...

Anyway, I digress.

I would also urge EP to re-post for the good of our society and a resolve, -

Thanks,

The Heretik


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Dec 29, 2003, 9:14pm

No, apparently the gate warnings aren't. You made it sound like there are
NO warnings given by the GK's themselves at all and that they are supposed
to pay attention only to the macros. Then you posted this:

"After the 3rd warning in whisper, the offender usually got
it through their head that I wasn't kidding, and ejection wasn't necessary."

That's how they do it :) LOL The "3 strikes and your out" method. When
you said the guidelines say that you dont have to give warnings, thats what
I was questioning :)


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Dec 29, 2003, 10:37pm

OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
*raises hand* MY FAULT!!!

Tart Sugar
The older I get, the better I used to be.

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Dec 31, 2003, 2:32am

Well it has been a day or so, yes GK's have a lot to offer, they are
responsible for many things and have lots of issues to deal with. Seeing
the attitudes and personalities in the GK arena made me wonder why I was
even asked to apply for GK and they knowing I had only been a Cit for 2
months. It tells me many things, and these have been as such, I have the
ability, yes I think it's actually an issue that has made me think
seriously about this. Being the GK in the AWGateway is a very special
thing and I have gained a lot of respect for the ones that have taken
the time to see a real potential and make it better. As for my Macros, I
have made them myself with exception of two. Copies from my logs. The
others are mine, and checked and re checked to keep the gramatically
correct and spelled correctly too. It takes time to maintain the Gate
and I had very little time for the most part on certain days and had to
go almost as soon as I arrived. This has been an issue I have tried to
fix, but then I guess time has made it's work and got me the time I need
now. Nextly being a GK is an Honor, not a privlage, it is for you to
help and help be there for the user, not to sit and chat in the time you
are GK with the friends you have made, but to be there for the "Tourist"
that is brand new, and talk them through the program setup, and
features. I have watched others try and get a lot of the features so
wrong it's not funny. Many have no clue of the Camera View and how to
setup the various keys to make the zoom feature work.Concering the
Macros again, there are E-Mail addresses for support and other issues,
and not one of the GK's I have seen in the AW world even gives these
out. Then the registration feature, to register press the register now
button, but what if they have no Credit Card!!?? Not one has mentioned
to Look at your Menu on the top menu bar and then select help, then
register and select the No CC option and it will give you the payment
options and addresses for sending your payment to. Then comes the costs,
it took Ry and myself to make others know that the Cost is 6.95 a month
and 69.95 a year. Please include your user name and a valid E-Mail
address for confirmation. If Ever I make my way back to the AWGateway I
will not make myself known readily and sit and watch you all. See if any
of these items get implimented even though I not supposed to know what I
am doing. Understand this A GK is a good soul person, not a spitefil
and hateful person just because another has a better offering and has a
bit more knowledge to offer to them. Maybe that is why Many Tourists
came up directly to me at times and asked for private help. It was
actually a lot easier to help one on one, without the GK or other users
over your shoulder telling you no thats wrong, or you have no idea how
to do that or don't give them so much information. Another Item the
Laptops issue, there was a CA on duty, and that was all when I first
came on AW after a few months of trying to find the program again. A GK
was there and having a time of it, a user was complaining about I can't
fly I can't fly help me please, I sat and watched, no one was coming to
her help. I finally volunteered as a Tourist mind you and helped this
person out and she was so very happy about it she flew and was elated. A
week later there was a new bot, the NewbieMon Bot with Laptop commands
and help, plus other things to help with the new user, the GK could have
said to the user if the GK was occupied, say newbiemon help, and they
could get the new user help and the GK would not be bothered from the
Chat or private discussion they were having. Now to the CA, many users
typed the World Rules many times yet cits and GK alike said oh no there
is that CA flooding again. They have the CA say this for a good reason,
it helps the Tourist and Cit alike understand the basic rules of the
AWGateway and how to get other help if need be. Yet this feature has
been ignored because the GK is so wrapped up in the Private Discussions
and can not be bothered. Yes the GK is an Honor to be, not a privlage to
serve, you are there for one reason and one reason only, to help the
Tourist or New user to understand the worlds and the Program it's self.
On a last note,. yes take the Citizen Only Teleports from the AW
gateway, these are not useful, Cits undertand they have the Worlds Tab
and can utilize that. Tourist Friendly Teleports would be more useful to
get the Tourist to see this AWGate is not the only place to be. Tours is
a good starting point for many, yet when I go there, it says ther is a
tour gide available yet the ones named are where? in the AWGateway just
chatting away the time. So what good is tours if there is no one there
to give a "Tourist" the tour they are looking for. Rants raves and Oh
you have no ideas are welcome

Additions to date, I have had a discussion with a GK about a issue that
could benefit the AW community immensely. Will be discussing it in the
future. It concerns entry points for Tourist / Cits and the fact that
neitehr should actually be together for the first few days of being in
AW. Nor to follow. Now Ihave since Changed my Name to Princess Nerwen
Celebrindal of which is who I am. Anyway Happy New Year to all. May the
new year bring you the peace and happienss you have so desired.


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Dec 31, 2003, 2:42am

My Agenda?? Ther was none to start with, there is none now. FF asked me
outright because he felt comfortable with me as I am, and I hesitated a
lot and he edged me until I gave in. It was on a test basis and I had no
reason to do this because I felt unsure about it, but did it to make him
at laest happy. After this the comverstaion was getting very lackluster
and less and less like a conversation but a One sided debate. Thus just
as he left I felt it necessary to tell him I was going to be leaving
him, and it was because we were intellectually incompatable and that I
am what I am so that it would be better understood by him. I have to
also explain that I never mentioned anything about me or what Iam, yet
someone felt it neccessary to out me because my concerns about the AW
community as a whole and not for my own gains. Please understand I am
just trying to make it known that the AWGateway is loosing it's appeal
and lots of people are not coming back or just driopping their cit
status because they feel they are not being helped out the way they
want. A proposal for the solution of this is in the works.
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Dec 31, 2003, 3:11am

AWI staff, those that actually work for the company, are often lurking in
awgate, I'm sure if GKs were not doing their volunteer job correctly, AWI
would say something to them or their ETLs, TLs, and/or ATLs ... the need of
*other citizens* posing as "tourists" and causing further distraction is
counter productive.

Also counter-productive would be to remove citizens from the awgate landing
zone ... it's a public world because AWI deems it so, who are you to
question that? We need both cits and tourists in order to fully represent AW
in awgate. If I'd of come to awgate with only tourists there, 1/2 of them
shouting "DOWN WITH GKS!" ... I likely would not have stayed long. It's the
cits that *show me* what aw has to offer, not the co-tourists.

Since you often refer to God (in previous posts), do you not remember where
it is said, *judge not lest ye be judged, for by that which YOU judge are
you yourself judged*, or how about *take the STONE out of your own eye
before you take the speck out of your brother's*!? Do you understand these?
With the advent of these continued ramblings you are only asking for further
backlash and flaming. Why not quit now while you are ahead? I'm sure most
GKs are willing to hold their tongue in hopes you do not continue...

Happy New Year to you and yours.

LNH



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sorry Nerwen but to us the Gate has always and should always be home port
for all of us builders and wanderers. Since I can remember there has always
been a Gate, open to all, new and old before there were even cits...it is
home because it is aw. You cannot understand this as you have not been here
long enough. Many of those 'tourists' are old cits, or visiting friends.
Many of those cits are actually new tourists. How could you ever separate
the two and why would anyone want to.
Many of us take our breaks from building at the Gate. For friendly
conversation and yes to check out the new arrivals. What better way to meet
people?
We get updates of information by listening. Hear of viruses in progress.
Talk about the weather and relax and meet new folk. That is AW....cit or
tourist. And it has always been that way at the Gate. Our birth into aw and
our home port through all the changes.
We pay for tourists to come into our worlds. I do like to take coffee breaks
at the Gate and get a feel for the people, including tourists. You wish to
separate us?
They give us variety. They are old friends. They are the possible new
friends.
Try relaxing *smiles* you may enjoy yourself
sweets

Dec 31, 2003, 1:03pm

I really don't want to beat this dead horse anymore, HOWEVER, plz allow me
to correct a few outrageously incorrect statements...

[View Quote] Honey, I don't know which world you've been lurking in, but EVERY GK has
those macros and USES them.

> Then the registration feature, to register press the register now
> button, but what if they have no Credit Card!!?? Not one has mentioned
> to Look at your Menu on the top menu bar and then select help, then
> register and select the No CC option and it will give you the payment
> options and addresses for sending your payment to.

Again - where have you been lurking? The GKs have a macro or two telling a
tourist how to use PayPal if they don't have a credit card.

> Then comes the costs,
> it took Ry and myself to make others know that the Cost is 6.95 a month
> and 69.95 a year. Please include your user name and a valid E-Mail
> address for confirmation.

It took YOU & RY to make the costs known??? HUH??? I don't even know how to
respond to THAT ludicrous statement.
I have a headache now. o_O

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