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Sep 26, 2002, 4:57am

this is not my opinion so read for yourselves if you so choose
.........read disclaimer.....
http://awcommunity.org/cyawards/

Sep 26, 2002, 10:34am

ROFL

You will obey, or be shot at dawn.


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Sep 26, 2002, 2:09pm

*blink* You people are just never happy, are you? They post an apology
and let the community know what's going on ahead of time, and you think
it's a demand of some sort? *boggle*

You people really are on crack...

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Goober King
You can't please everyone, and you can't please some at all...
robrod at prism.net

Sep 26, 2002, 2:21pm

Sorry I wont engage in any flame wars, this was requested as well you are
aware of.

Plus cant you understand humour?
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Sep 26, 2002, 6:15pm

yea, these are the people that ruined the cy awards for the people that made it to the top 5 and were robbed from that honor because
of some self centered complainers >:(

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Sep 26, 2002, 6:26pm

cause one of the top 5 was a deleted world and another was not even on
line??????
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Sep 26, 2002, 6:29pm

can someone tell me why this is in web page when its NOT sponsored by AW???
listed under sponsors Activeworlds Corp. - http://www.activeworlds.com/
3DNetz - http://www.3dnetz.de/ (German)
crTView - http://www.crtview.com/
WVRB Radio
AWNews - http://www.awnews.com/
Haveman Computer & Internet - http://www.haveman.net/
The following have contributed to the Cy Awards in many ways, and we wish to
thank them for their services.

Activeworlds Corp. - http://www.activeworlds.com/
3DNetz - http://www.3dnetz.de/ (German)
crTView - http://www.crtview.com/
WVRB Radio
AWNews - http://www.awnews.com/
Haveman Computer & Internet - http://www.haveman.net/

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Sep 26, 2002, 6:55pm

*blink* What are you talking about? Since when was the CY Awards *not*
sponsored by AW? Hell, if it wasn't for AWI, the CY Awards would've
never gotten off the ground in the first place, and you'd have to find
something else to gripe about.

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Goober King
Thanking AWI for Linn's griping... wait...
robrod at prism.net

Sep 26, 2002, 7:01pm

i just talked to someone from AW and he said its not go figure if you
can goob
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Sep 26, 2002, 7:03pm

in fact you should contact aw and conduct decent reseach before TRYING to
flame...... get facts as all journalists should, apart from the gutter press
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Sep 26, 2002, 7:11pm

AWI trys to keep their fingers out of everything except making money on the program.
You'll find out AWI is a very "skelleton crew" company. All these "clubs" and "organizations" are all public run and sponsored....AWI cannot afford to spend any more money on the program than it does already with the programmers and office staff.
All these extras are considered "community" events....and guess what? ....If AWI goes belly-up tomorrow, I got money on it that says the community will bail it out...AGAIN...:)
The "community' has a lot more "heart" into this than the Staff at AWI. They(AWI) just have money into it.

Leo :)




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Sep 26, 2002, 7:19pm

....would you just shut up Linn?
I don't even know WHY you posted this topic in the first place. Personally
I am happy that the Cy Committee is trying to do something about their
situation now and I have respect for that . They even go ahead and, like GK
already stated, let the community know whats going on ahead of time.

Goober King does his research on AW, as he's been around a hell of a lot
longer than you. He's been here for the Cy's since the start. Maybe you
should do your reasearch, Ironhead...

Your argument is pointless and real unclear. So maybe you should go pick
yourself up a Grade 7 grammar book, Mavis Beacon and a brain and come back
when your ready.

Anyone up for sacrificing Linn to get ol' Eep back? *raises hand* At least
he had valid points when posting opinions.. :-\
--
- Syntax -
http://www.swcity.net
http://forum.swcity.net

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Sep 26, 2002, 7:26pm

*rubs temples* Considering you never mentioned *who* from AW it was you
talked to, and given your past record with "facts" in here, I'm wont to
doubt you.

In any case, from the sounds of it, you seem to think "sponsor" means
"gave money to". I can almost guarantee that *no one* has given money to
the CY Awards Committee at all. However, AWI *has* donated a world,
avatars, and even the CY statue itself to the cause, therefore they
"sponsor" it. If you show any sort of support for something, you are
sponsoring it, plain and simple.

What, you think AWNews has the sort of funds to donate money the CY
Awards? I think not. :P

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Goober King
Swears she does this on purpose...
robrod at prism.net

Sep 26, 2002, 7:30pm

Humm interesting statement there.

I was given truespace to conduct some modeling, can I say I am sponsered by
this University?


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Sep 26, 2002, 7:31pm

syn The only people here wishing to instigate any flames are the people
that seem to support this event, as we all do and want it to be fairly
run.... I have no wish to start and flame war as you might wish to
instigate. My original posting was a simple request for all to see what the
situation is at present. It is very evident the ppl who are trying to run
the CY s and what ppl say and do here, wishes anything that conflicts with
their own beliefs are to be silenced
therefore I will not engage in any flame war
And my information came from AW itself
therefore researched and confirmed
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Sep 26, 2002, 7:41pm

I'd swear you and Linn are brother and sister...

Gather around, children! It's time for a lesson in Basic English!

sponsor - n. 1. One who assumes responsibility for another person or a
group during a period of instruction, apprenticeship, or probation.
2. One who vouches for the suitability of a candidate for admission.
3. One that finances a project or an event carried out by another person
or group, especially a business enterprise that pays for radio or
television programming in return for advertising time.

Now class, who can tell me why AWI fits this definition as it pertains
to the CY Awards? Yes, you in the back.

"Because AWI gave them a world, avatars, and models, which normally cost
money to make."

So which definition is that?

"3"

Correct! Even though no money actually changed hands, AWI still financed
the CY Awards because it essentially paid for all the things that it
freely donated to the CYs!

So Wyz, to answer you're question, yes they would be sponsoring you
since they had to pay for Truespace in order to give it to you to do
modeling for them.

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Goober King
Blames all the stupidity for making him act like a freak...
robrod at prism.net

Sep 26, 2002, 7:46pm

all I know goob beside you are a smart a** is that my info came straight
from the horses mouth now IF you want to call him a lier well you go
right ahead he said it s not sponsored by AW you ummmm good class there
since you have been there for how many years now 5 or is it 6 now???
get the info from AW then flame me ok???
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Sep 26, 2002, 8:16pm

lol I prefer a more direct method instead of Webster's terminology and ask
the people concerned.

This way it avoid all the confusion and self diagnostic interpretations over
word useage.


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Sep 26, 2002, 11:42pm

*blink* Excuse my confusion, but what am I looking at? The disclaimer looks
fine to me, although less professional than a real disclaimer, but I see
nothing wrong with the content. I've read the thread, but I still can't
understand what's the big deal with the disclaimer. It has nothing to do
with people being cheated out of anything.

I know this is a BAD example, but if any American watches tv, they would've
heard of the show American Idol, like it or not. The contract contestants
signed was that producers, in extreme cases, could bend the rules to their
liking, although they would never do so unless an outright emergency called
for it.

The Cy Awards disclaimer gives me that same feeling, and there's nothing
wrong with that. It just prevents any liability in the worst case scenerio.
:)

--
From the Newbie's Guide to the AW NG:

"Nornny11 - The original wishy-washy man, this one can actually insult you
and compliment you in the same breath, and in the end say absolutely
nothing! What a talent!"
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Sep 27, 2002, 12:30am

well I just think the next 2 entries just somehow don't seem the
same.............................After that round, the Community wanted to
be more involved in the decision
making of who was determined to be awarded.

Furthermore, we reserve the right to modify and interpret the "rules" as we
see fit in order to assure that we are no longer going to be pushed around
by people who insist on things being done "their way."
We reserve the right to choose an alternative winner in the event that we
determine an otherwise winning nomination to be unpresentable due to a lack
of available information >>>>if its a winner, shouldn't it have already
passes the requirements???
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Sep 27, 2002, 12:52am

*Thwack*
"ironhead"?....fitting:)
pssst...I'm not talking to Linn....just referencing her post....LOL

[View Quote] Furthermore, we reserve the right to modify and interpret the "rules" as we
see fit in order to assure that we are no longer going to be pushed around
by people who insist on things being done "their way."
We reserve the right to choose an alternative winner in the event that we
determine an otherwise winning nomination to be unpresentable due to a lack
of available information >>>>if its a winner, shouldn't it have already
passes the requirements???

Sep 27, 2002, 1:19am

Last I checked, Linn, the CY Awards Committee is in charge of the CY
Awards, not the community. They are free to shape the rules however they
see fit, since it's their org. If the entire committee was
democratically elected every year, then perhaps you'd have more reason
to complain, but as it stands now, it's their decision to make, not
yours. All you can do is vote for the winner. And be glad you have even
that privilege, as most awards systems have no such community
involvement whatsoever.

I guess when some people in the community gets a taste of power, they're
extremely reluctant to relinquish it, no matter how trivial it may be,
especially when they find out they were never in control to begin with...

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Goober King
Have a hot steaming mug of STFU!
robrod at prism.net

Sep 27, 2002, 2:27am

yall thru making fun of me LMAO :-) you just proved my point end of
conversation thanks
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Sep 27, 2002, 9:39am

* sigh *

Kerstin


[View Quote] > ...would you just shut up Linn?

> Maybe you should do your reasearch, Ironhead...
>

> Anyone up for sacrificing Linn to get ol' Eep back? *raises hand*

> --
> - Syntax -
> http://www.swcity.net
> http://forum.swcity.net
>
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Sep 27, 2002, 9:40am

* sigh *

Kerstin

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Sep 27, 2002, 9:57am

Weird people... *sigh*
Cept some people....*cough GK,Alpha*

Sep 27, 2002, 10:23am

(THIS IS NOT A FLAME)

lol, Its really shown that some people are chosen regardelss of what subject
matter they indroduce to aw ng the same people come out of the woodwork to
flame.

Perhaps you should Hack aw, seem to get more respect from some people.






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Sep 27, 2002, 11:13am

Linn, goober is right. The Cy Awards have nothing to do with the community,
or with Active Worlds as a whole. It is a private awards program, started
by, and run by a few people.

I made the same mistake in thinking that this program was at a community or
Active Worlds level. It's not. The 'Cy means Community' slogan they use
apparantly refers only to the fact that they, as goober points out, allow
the community to vote. Other than that, it has nothing to do with the
community as a whole that I can see.

Goob is right -- they are free to make up any rules they wish, no matter how
crazy. The same as you and I, Linn, could start our own little private
awards program tomorrow, and we could make up any rules we want.

Usually though, with programs like this, if people don't like the way it is,
they can just choose not to participate. In this case, what's odd is that
when you tell them you don't like it and you don't want to participate, they
force you to. (People who attempt to withdraw are told they are not
"allowed" to. Go look at all the signs for all the people who have
withdrawn still up in the new voting center.)

Finally, what really sums it up is goob's final statement about people
getting a taste of power. The people who run this awards program have come
to believe that they wield significant power. When pleaded with to be a bit
more open minded and open up the program so that it is more for the
community, they feel threatened because they fear the loss of what they see
as their power.

The best thing to do at this point, for the people who want an awards
program that is fair, equitable, for the community, and recognizes talent,
instead of just being some odd sort of popularity contest, is to do what the
Cy group has done -- start another awards program that *is* geared toward
the community and *does* recognize talent. Anyone and everyone is free to
do so.

This is my last post on the topic of the Cy awards.

Kerstin

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Sep 27, 2002, 11:32am

WOULD YOU LOT SHUT UP AND STOP BICKERING!!!!

I try as hard as I can to stay silent in these arguements, but the way
in which you are talking these days are really getting to me. As Student
Union President and South Wales rep., I believe in group work, so that
together we can achieve our full potential. Believe me, its hard work.
In the 3 years I have been a cit, I have never ever come across any
major complaints about the CY Awards as I have done this past month. WE are
a community. Can we not try and work as one? Yes, the CY Exec. Team made
some mistakes, but can any of you say you are perfect? I know I can't. Those
who have known me for a while know of my mistakes. If everyone was perfect,
what a boring place this would be.
Alot of people are saying that AWC (or whatever its called) will drive
us into the ground. I disagree. It'll be there very community, US, that'll
finish us off. HenrikG has the right idea. He "definitly [does] not get
involved with the coldness of these newsgroups". Do you blame him? Another
thing...you all complained about Eep. Now look at yourselves! Your getting
as bad as him.
I once had respect for those who read and posted on this NG, but these
days, it makes me feel ashamed to read it. On the matter of the CY's. Give
the peeps a chance! You've made your complaint, and now nomination's have
gone in for the new Exec. Team. Patience is a virtue! I personally support
ANYONE who can stand up and say "I'm doing this event. Come join in". Bravo
to you.
Now, if I have a problem with something or someone, I tell them.
However, once I tell them, thats it. It does no good to dwell on negative
matters. If you do have a problem however, try some CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!
It goes a long way, and the person you shared the criticism with won't feel
so bad. Now, c'mon peeps, enough is enough.

Please feel free to flame. I don't care anymore.

Gandalf

Sep 27, 2002, 2:52pm

I don't seem to recall contradicting opinions ever being called flames. Syn
did flame you, but the least you can do is to stop trying to be saintly and
at least think about why you posted this in the first place instead of
claiming that you will not engage in any flame war. You're just dragging up
muck that has already been passed over. Which is one cause of flame wars of
many if I remember correctly.

SW Chris

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