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Feb 24, 2002, 6:24am

see comments below.

[View Quote] >Has any one noticed how obsolete Alpha World is? It's avatars are tinny, the
>objects are a hodge podge of left-overs and the vast majority of the older
>builds are as good as destroyed by revisions to the browser.
>
>Has any one stopped to wonder, what sort of a drain on AWcorps resources
>this out of date world is? As you already know, further upgrades to the
>browser are made difficult as the developers attempt ( and don't always
>succeed) to make new compatible with the old. Lets face it, after 7 years
>Alpha is sad and tired and pulls down the general standard of the
>ActiveWorlds experience for newbies. And the life blood of any community AND
>company is newbies.

AlphaWorld is the birthplace of AW as it stands today. it too is the lifeblood of the AW universe. not too long ago, AW used to be
single-world yet still popular. AlphaWorld is vast, yet rich in history. it may eventually reach into the terabytes, but we should still
hang onto it.

>As much as I love Alpha World and her many beautiful builds I firmly believe
>that it should pass on. With enough warning that citizens can transfer their
>builds and any others that are worth saving to a new world and make the
>necessary changes that it would take, only the unwanted rubbish would be
>left behind. It is important that any product keep up with the times in
>order to be a viable option as a marketable asset and our sentiment for old
>Alpha is going to destroy that and our community.

The deletion of Alpha is the deletion of the universal backbone. Perhaps instead of completely shutting off Alpha, we could simply shut off
building access and leave alpha open as an official museum of history.

>I know ppl are going to be upset by this view but stop and think before you
>post a negative response. How many ppl see AW GZ as sadly in need of a
>refit? Compare Alpha World to many other worlds. The answer is obvious, the
>old girl has seen better days.

*stops and thinks*. Alpha is indeed in need of a GZ refit, but that does not mean you should simply shut down the entire world (and it's
1million objects) because of a horribly designed GZ. Do you go off closing other worlds because of their GZs?

>We want this software to continue and grow , both for AW's good and our own.
>The more newbies that we can impress with the technology and with our
>community , the more chance we ALL have of staying in our virtual home away
>from home.

We all want to see AW continue its growth and development. Removing AlphaWorld, however, does not contribute to either growth nor
development. Taking alpha out is just like cutting down rainforests. It removes a natural habitat for some animal.. Alpha is the natural
habitat for hundreds of people. Just go in and stand around GZ. There is always some form of conversation.

We do need a new Alpha, but we should not delete the historical Alpha. As I mentioned above, Old Alpha could become closed to public
building and be preserved as a historical museum. New Alpha is just as it sounds: our new Alphaworld.

Feb 24, 2002, 6:35am

mmm yeah ok.... whatever


[View Quote] [View Quote] Kellee, the *only* person who has even made mention of these so-called
"rumours" is *you*. AWcom hasn't brought it up on its site. And if they
think 3D Homepages are going to replace AlphaWorld, they are only kidding
themselves because in five years (less than that if they ever get a
*competant* marketing team with a plan going), they'll have the same problem
with 3D Homepages.

Why???

Simple. Not very many people I know would want to go through the trouble of
starting their own world the size of oh say....Broadway World [mentioned
solely for the sake of discussion] (and paying hosting costs to boot) if all
they're going to have is a few people (READ: A small handful). It just
wouldn't be worth it to a lot of people.

Add to the fact that AW wants you to pay them $60 to allow tourists, and
that's yet another incentive. I feel bad because as a 3D Homepage owner, I
would have to pay only $20. All of these examples are just some of the
reasons why I'm creating an AlphaWorld build which will be linked to my
existing 3D Homepage instead.

> I personally dont care if my builds are deleted, although its sad to think
> of the many ppl that have builds along one of my roads suddenly not having
a
> road any more, but can you imagine, for example, SW city 2 months after
SW
> Commit dosent register for any reason?..... Can you imagine how many roads
> he must have built? the builds ? The whole city would suffer if some one
> integral to the city plan was deleted for what ever reason. I would say
that
> was change on a grand scale, wouldnt you?

*I* would care because one of your builds is an Object Yard, is it not??? I
might need stuff from there someday.

> I want to uproot ALL the buildings worth saving

Yes do that, but the question would then become *how* do you *define* what's
worth saving and what's not??? Answer - You can't. No one can't. What
might be an eye sore to you might be a Picasso to someone else. Have you
thjought about that Kellee??? If not, maybe you should...

Something to think about...

Cheers for now everyone :-)

Patrick

Feb 26, 2002, 12:02am

[View Quote] Tony, I think your on the right track..... hows this for an idea? Open a new
world to public building say " New Alpha " which would contain all the bells
and whistles that Alpha can never do. Once thats done , instead of
preserving the "whole" of the old alpha, it was merely closed to new
building and the existing builders given a chance to bot any build they
consider saving, whether it be their own or some one else's ( AWHS can
finally earn their keep, LOL ) to another world. ( not New Alpha, merely a
smaller duplicate of the original Alpha)

That would solve the problem of who considers what worth saving .....It
would be the decision of the owner or in the case of NACs, it would be "in
the eye of the beholder" or AWHS. The world that is the recipient of all the
old builds would not need to be any where near the size of "old Alpha" as
most of the junk would be left behind. That would solve the eyesores
problem.

After a set time the old Alpha could be buried, and the ppl that want to
hold on to the old Alpha are happy, as all that is worth saving is saved and
the ppl that want new objects and new atmosphere are happy ( only the new
will impress the newbies which is what makes AWC happy)

And it would solve ( hopefully) the problem of the citizens who do not want
their builds deleted. Making everyone completely happy is not an easy task,
and I don't envy AWCorp the task of attempting it. One thing we do need to
remember , compromises need to come from BOTH parties, guys.

Feb 26, 2002, 4:05am

You know what this would do to SW City, don't you? *wimper*

But if something can be worked out so that we can preserve our city and
still be able to add on to it, I would be willing to compromise. Not sure
about the rest of the core staff, but this is my feelings. Kellee, your
feelings are truly on the correct track.

Now we need to get a few others to see this point of view. Saving Active
Worlds, I mean... not moving on.

SW Chris


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