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Dec 2, 2001, 10:55pm

In regards to the popular vote that took place at Avatars 2001, there is no
way it could be considered fair, and I will request that this matter be
looked into by digigardener and others.

The bot did not work properly.
At times, the bot was not present.
Downloads in progress were halted/crashes occured as follows:

AWORLD caused an invalid page fault in
module AWORLD.EXE at 018f:00428812.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=018f EIP=00428812 EFLGS=00010246
EBX=00000004 SS=0197 ESP=0076f3e0 EBP=00000000
ECX=00000000 DS=0197 ESI=00000000 FS=191f
EDX=00000052 ES=0197 EDI=00000005 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8a 45 00 8b f0 83 fe 10 76 78 83 fe 63 0f 84 40
Stack dump:
0000011b 00000000 00000052 00000005 00000000 00429311 00429367 00000000
00000000 004293b5 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

If voting practices such as this are allowed to be continued, we cannot call
ourselves a fair virtual society with decent moral character.

I suggest anyone that was unable to fully download and/or vote properly at
this event write to the coordinators of the event to protest such unfair
practices.

Sinew

Dec 3, 2001, 12:02am

Surely its only a bit of fun ... not like anyones life depends on it. And
not a lot to do with world building either really.

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Dec 3, 2001, 12:51am

True. This is something to work on for next year Next year, they need to
make sure the bot doesn't crash and stays online during voting hours. And
next year, please make sure the worlds don't crash browsers. :( I was able
to catch the Avvy Awards on ABN though, so no biggy. :) All in all a good
event.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Dec 3, 2001, 2:32am

Avatars 2001? I have a vauge memory of entering a mediocre world and
crashing then not coming back. Oh well.

Dec 3, 2001, 4:09am

Well I forgot all about the things this year. But when I went in to
look at the winners I could only see 3 avatars on the list. I
rebooted, cleared cache, all the usual fixes. Just 3 avatars. So
there is more that's broken than just the bot in that world. FWIW.

[View Quote] > In regards to the popular vote that took place at Avatars 2001, there is no
> way it could be considered fair, and I will request that this matter be
> looked into by digigardener and others.
>
> The bot did not work properly.
> At times, the bot was not present.
> Downloads in progress were halted/crashes occured as follows:
>
> AWORLD caused an invalid page fault in
> module AWORLD.EXE at 018f:00428812.
> Registers:
> EAX=00000000 CS=018f EIP=00428812 EFLGS=00010246
> EBX=00000004 SS=0197 ESP=0076f3e0 EBP=00000000
> ECX=00000000 DS=0197 ESI=00000000 FS=191f
> EDX=00000052 ES=0197 EDI=00000005 GS=0000
> Bytes at CS:EIP:
> 8a 45 00 8b f0 83 fe 10 76 78 83 fe 63 0f 84 40
> Stack dump:
> 0000011b 00000000 00000052 00000005 00000000 00429311 00429367 00000000
> 00000000 004293b5 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
>
> If voting practices such as this are allowed to be continued, we cannot call
> ourselves a fair virtual society with decent moral character.
>
> I suggest anyone that was unable to fully download and/or vote properly at
> this event write to the coordinators of the event to protest such unfair
> practices.
>
> Sinew
>
>
>

Dec 3, 2001, 9:30am

[View Quote] > The bot did not work properly.
> At times, the bot was not present.

Happy anniversary of the 2000 elections. Think of the votes that didn't
get counted when the bot wasn't online as "dimpled chads."

-Sme

Dec 3, 2001, 3:00pm

....still a sore democrat in the crowd, eh? :) J/k
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SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Dec 3, 2001, 3:11pm

still, you have quite a large value in donated prizes... the AV01 commitee
can't be blamed for AW's unstability though LMAO...

KAH

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Dec 3, 2001, 5:42pm

Whatever crashed everyone's browser was a problem only related to the av01
worlds. I crashed several times in av01exb and av01avvy. I never crashed
in av01 though. So find what is common about those two worlds, and not
common in av01, and you will have narrowed the list of possible problems
down to an easily managable list. :) That way the planning committee will
know what to avoid next year.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Dec 4, 2001, 4:44pm

I crashed 2 or 3 times in AV01... crashed in all the AV01* I visited
actually... I think some of it has to do with AW being rather unstable and
not supporting of a lot of activity combined with large downloads, also, I
hear an MP3 might have been causing parts of it...

KAH

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:31pm

hmm... no. I've been in AWTeen with that many people in the immediate area
and it didn't crash there. And I was in Av01exb when there were only a few
folks visible, and it still crashed. I really don't think any browser
instability has anything to do with it. That's my opinion though. :) I
don't know for sure.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Dec 5, 2001, 4:43pm

[View Quote] I didn't crash once - shouldn't a faulty object crash everybody?
However, there were lots of high-polygon avatars there, which grinded
the frame rate down to halt; especially when minimum visibility
had been set as high as 60 m in some worlds. Maybe they should only
allow 3 entries per artist to keep the avatar list length reasonable?
And I couldn't resize my window larger, because there were hundreds of
textures and pictures there, some pretty big, filling up the video card's memory
(my card is GeForce2 GTS 32 MB). But the votebot never answered me :/

--
Mauz
http://mauz.info

Dec 5, 2001, 5:58pm

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I'll submit along with Mauz that the
worlds and avatars were done a little _too_ well. I think AW kept trying to
stuff things into my poor Voodoo 3000 when it was already full, thus causing
a crash. :)
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Dec 5, 2001, 7:30pm

I went in all the AV01 worlds (and let the whole download finish) with my
700MHz Win2000 laptop with an ATI Rage Mobility 8MB (yes, EIGHT Megabytes)
video card and all was fine - ran like a dog mind you, but it didn't crash.
Filling up the video cards memory isn't a (valid) reason for an application
to crash ... just hammer the poor PC. It was ok in Direct3D and software
mode (although as you can imagine the performance of the two are pretty
similar with this setup but those seven hardware lights look much better in
s/w mode). I went in just after it opened like 1,000,000 other people seemed
to do.

It won't be common to everyone because everyone is running different spec
machines, different versions of windows and having different applications
running at the same time. Who knows?

Grims


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Dec 7, 2001, 2:49am

Hello All,
Yes, I'm finally back. Don't we all just love AT&T? NOT!
Anyway, I'll try to address some of the problems we had and why we did some
of the things we did.

The vote bot-
We tried a vote bot this year because there were complaints last year that
the 'yell' we had wasn't fair. The vote bot was running at the same time in
3 different Uniservers, AW, OW, and 3DWorlds. It's my understanding that
this was part of the reason for the delayed responce and possibly no
response from the bot. Overall though I think it worked out well compared to
last year and it's something that might be done again. The prize that was
given from the bot vote was ActiveWorlds browser specific. In other words,
the avatars from other 3D environments were not in that contest. We were
trying to let the AW community be involved with the voting process. We do
try although things don't always work perfectly. I'd like to thank Magine
for her vote bot as it performed overall very well. I don't think there's
EVER been a bot in 3 different places like that taking votes. Possibly some
type of secure web based voting might be developed instead. ( Want to write
the code for it?? lol ) We are learning but if this is a problem and
everyone feels it's overall unfair (I don't) then I guess we can decide
whether to have a public vote or not next year. Keep in mind that the Avvies
is not an AW specific event. It's supposed to encompass several 3D
environments and the public vote was only there because we wanted to do
something 'special' for the AW avatar creators.

The world crashing
I don't have a clue as to why the place was crashing. I do agree with
whomever said it might have been an MP3 or music file causing it. Whatever
was causing it hadn't for weeks prior to the event. I was in there for days
and never crashed. I did crash several times while 'trying' to help do the
event over a very old phone line and dial up connection. Anyone that was
there saw what I was going through. lol Unfortunately due to AT&T deciding
they are God and can cut hundreds of thousands of people off I was not able
to be in there the couple of days prior to the event. I don't know what, if
any objects or files were added at that time. I do know that Credo
Interactives entry didn't get added because of it. :-( *Side note- Please
let me know if anyone hears of a class action lawsuit against AT&T. *

Someone mentioned limiting the number of avatar entries per person. Yes,
that will be done next year. I never expected so many avatars and also so
many different creators. Even if we had limited it this year we would have
had ~ 40-50 avatars anyway. :-) I am VERY pleased with the success of the
event from that perspective. We had some wonderful avatars!! If you were
having problems crashing teleport out to something like 500n 500w and take a
look at the avatars. Really look at the animations!! WOW!! Check out the
Atmosphere entries too! They had custom animations as well and are 'skinned'
avatars.

Again, I can only apologize that I wasn't able to give a final test to the
world before we opened it. I know nothing about the other worlds and
possible problems that were going on there. Next year it's going to be a
very 'bland' world with just the avatar info and signs... lol Actually, I
think that since Xela has put so much time and effort into his bots and the
animation bot (did you see it?? ... way kewl!! ) that we just might use them
instead of having all the images around. That might work well. We'll see.

Finally back on-line.................. *and mad as heck at AT&T....
Casay











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