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Oct 3, 2001, 8:58pm

Go here to find out more:
http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html

Oct 3, 2001, 9:15pm

Hey I don't know if that is true...But if it is...Then that is just at #%$&*^
Bullshit. I actually doubt it would be true but i'm not very good at judging
things like this. either way....i think it's a load of bullshit. if
whatchamacallit really did that, it's bullshit! whythe hell do that to
someone? if it wasn't done then WTF! why the hell write that about
somebody?!

Oct 3, 2001, 9:44pm

I am happy to sware on a Bible as to the absolute truth of my statements
here - I would not lie about something like this its to important - I am
being totally honest with you because I believe we need to stop crap like
this before it gets out of hand - I was totally suck by this Ananas guy --GO
TO http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html
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Oct 3, 2001, 9:48pm

How about if I give you a little hint here then..as the world owner CarolAnn
he mentioned without consulting...just as he way overbuilt without
permission to build at all. I feel so strongly about this that I am
compelled to say something that I normally wouldn't be caught saying and to
borrow your phrase... BULLSHIT!!!!! Want to know more? Ask me.
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Oct 3, 2001, 9:48pm

Ok..let me give you a little hint as to the validity of Bodhi's post. As the
world own CarolAnn that he mentions without consulting..just as he way
overbuilt without permission to build at all..let me just borrow your phrase
and say something I normally wouldn't ever be caught saying BULLSHIT!!! Want
to know more? Ask me.
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Oct 3, 2001, 9:49pm

Seeing Annanas in the newsgroups, I doubt he did anything so bad as you depict it. Maybe he did delete your build, but that is not an issue for the newsgroups.

Let me be the first to say the following:
Can it -- Keep your private "problems" out of the newsgroups.

-Agent1

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Oct 3, 2001, 10:03pm

I agree and sorry for posting twice..in my anger at his attempt at public
humiliation I couldn't see straight and thought the first one didn't go.
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Oct 3, 2001, 10:10pm

Absolute truth or not, you don't bring this to the attention of teh
community. It's not a community issue. I'm not defending what Ananas did,
but this is not the place for this.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 3, 2001, 10:16pm

Sorry, I know that this isn't the right place for private
fights but please allow me to put some things right (it
will not become a flame war) :



> 1. I was offered a lot in the world "Anywhere" a world
> where as far as I could tell everyone was mature and in
> Eminent Domain. I was delighted to accept.

Wrong, dear Bodhi, Dreamtime told me you asked Keti for
building rights in "Anywhere" and CarolAnn, the world owner,
told me you did not ask at all.


> 2. I built a fairly complex structure off away from
> everyone else without hindrance or lag to anyone else's build.

wrong again, "Anywhere" is a world wit 2 layers and on the
empty plot above my frame rate was at about 0.6

> It was built with the approval and acceptance of the world
> owner Carolann.

Oh yes? See answer to #1


> 3. Like all my builds it was laggy however it did not
> encroach and the world owner did not mention this to me nor
> did the caretaker Wilby or the caretaker Keti who had set me
> up with a lot initially.

Wilby wanted to keep lag extra low in "Anywhere". And Keti
hardly really knows you so she didn't know whom she gave a lot.
You even damaged Wilbys stuff at GZ before I removed all your
buildings in "Anywhere" and only removed it because CarolAnn
insisted on that.


> 4. Ananas gramed me saying: 'I deleted your entire
> build as your lag is unacceptable.'

Yes, that's right. I asked CarolAnn and talked to Wilby
before I removed the building, they gave me their OK and
I proceeded. I sent this telegram to show that I take
full responsibility for this action. CarolAnn and Wilby
did not encourage me to remove the building but they
gave me free hand.
After that was done I revoked all of Bodhis rights in
"Anywhere" - but - see #5


> 5. When I went to see, all that was left was a barrier that
> Ananas had placed at GZ where the teleport to my build had
> been. I deleted it and I'm ashamed to admit, I also got part of
> GZ in my rage at him. I would like to take this opportunity to
> publicly apologize to Wilby for that.

I didn't add anything there at GZ, I just used a builder bot to
selectively remove all the property of Bodhi.
This "part of GZ" that Bodhi deleted later, using the priviledges
of his wife Dreamtime without asking her first (she married
him because he needs a greencard) was not only Wilbys building
but had quite a big radius.
Asked if he did it he lied until CarolAnn could proof what had
really happened using her worlds log.
Btw.: I used my own priviledges to remove Bodhis stuff and did
not hide behind the coat of someone else.



> There was no reason why Ananas should have deleted my
> entire build as no one is ever entitled to do that without first
> contacting the owner of the world and/or the owner of the build
> and backing it up first. It was a blatant act of terrorism and I
> refuse to just stand by and say nothing when this sort of thing
> is going on.

More than one reason to delete it, one of them Bodhis behaviour in
the news groups, but my problem with Bodhi is quite old.
But wrong again, I DID contact the world owner when I deleted, she
was even there when I did it. She gave me the right and I used it.
She is friendly and would never have done it herself though.


> After this happened Ananas was unhappy that I was angry at
> him so he decided to terrorize the OP's of several worlds with
> a new AV. It was an AV that took the form of a dogs rear end
> defecating; if you clicked on my name in the AV list it would be
> the AV you would find yourself in. He did this to my OP, which
> I share with Dreamtime, Carolann, NurseMom and others. He
> then left town for a week.

I was not unhappy that Bodhi was angry at me, that was something
I can understand and accept (although I don't care much about it).
I was mad at him because he cowardly vandalized buildings of my
friends using Dreamtimes priviledges and hiding behind her.

Well, and the avatar I replaced was one I made for Bodhi because
Dreamtime asked me to make it for him. I never liked him but she
is my friend (she STILL is my friend!) so I agreed.
About the sharing : Bodhi does not share an object path with
CarolAnn and NurseMom, the one he uses is Dreamtimes object
path, CarolAnn and NurseMom use mine. I replaced the avatar
with the list name "Bodhi" by this sprite to show what I think
about his behaviour (=> http://oct31.de/obj/textures/bodhi.jpg)


> Suffice to say he is out of my worlds ... Symbolic and A'Party!
> For life.

Hm, if I recall right, Dreamtime owns Symbolic and you just have
taken control so much that she didn't like to go there anymore.
Unfortunately I never received any response to 4 emails to
abuse at activeworlds.com
where I forwarded several hate telegrams where Bodhi called
me nazi and terrorist and other similar words. Be sure I will
not set a foot into A'Party - Symbolic maybe after Bodhi has
his greencard - if Dreamtime can gain control back after they
are divorced.


> We have a duty as citizens of Active Worlds to bring this crap
> out from the woodwork and from the hidden places where it
> thrives in the safety and darkness of ignorance and into the
> light of justice.

> Ananas Thrives in AW on people who do not understand their
> own OP's. He has control of their worlds because he controls
> their OP's. I will not expand on this particular aspect of his
> sinister nature here as you can see it for yourself simply by
> adding him to your contacts and ask him who owns the world
> he is in. I bet you it will be a woman and he will have control of
> the OP.
>
> Ananas is a (nice guy) sure he is...lolololol!!

Well, I have nothing to add here *g


This will be my only posting to this thread.
Thanks for the attention and sorry for the long text

Volker Hatzenberger [Ananas]



p.s.: I didn't feel humiliated by not winning a Cy award, I
was surprised and happy about the nominations :) The people
who have won and their work are really good !


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Oct 3, 2001, 10:24pm

Ohhh Carolann shall I tell them all about the time you praise my build in
Anywhere and told me how wonderful you thought it was... I know that you are
in love with Ananas - Dreamtime told me all about it but I hardly think that
necessitates you lying for him and besides does that excuse his gross
acts... Really Carolann I thought you were more of a lady...
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Oct 3, 2001, 10:32pm

Then tell me ohhh great and wise pooh-bah just who I should bring this to
the attention of... To my mind the definition of community is a bunch of
individuals with common interests - I am an individual and I an most
certainly interested in knowing of anyone who is terrorizing other
individuals in this community of which I am a part.

Who made you the decider of what should and should not be worthy of
discussion here anyway sheeesh!... GO TO:
http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html


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Oct 3, 2001, 10:52pm

Umm, bodhi? Remember that whole mess you caused when you passed around
that hoax about the Palestinians dancing in the street being faked? You
would think that, from that incident, you'd learn to check all the facts
before going on a tirade. Apparently not...

Well folks, it seems we no longer have to worry anymore. We've found our
replacement for Chucks and JFK2. :P Let the flame war begin!

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> http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Those who do not learn from their stupidity are doomed to repeat it...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 3, 2001, 11:06pm

leave it alone...no one wants to hear this version of your Memorial World
fiasco...you bring shame to the people who's names you mention because that
means they know you...your bitterness and rage are so apparent...your need
for vengeance for whatever wrongs you think were done against you are there
for all to see. And "in love with Ananas"? Who cares if I was? Certainly not
this newsgroup..but if I was, you know that he would know it after 18 months
of a great friendship and working relationship, I would certainly tell him
and we do (or did 'til now) enjoy each other's company..but you know as well
as anyone that there is someone in my life...now keep my name out of your
stupid, ridiculous posts and take your idiocy elsewhere!! And no Goober
King..this will not be a replacement for that other soap opera as far as I'm
concerned...no more from me either..your point was a good one, let his
record speak for itself about the validity of anything further he might have
to say.
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Oct 3, 2001, 11:07pm

Ananas You love to apply the word "wrong" to other people but in this case
it was you who was wrong but your Germanic heritage being what it is you can
not just admit it - you did do this act of gross terrorism and your lover
Carolann is now in cohorts with you. No matter you the truth is true...

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Oct 3, 2001, 11:33pm

Last I checked there's a GENERAL DISCUSSION ng here and an OFF TOPIC ng on
Andras's server. USE THEM and get this personal junk out of here...
jeese........... So tired of the ppl in here....
Casay
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Oct 4, 2001, 1:04am

That is my definition of a community as well. And please, no flattery. :)
The key word here is common interest. Ananas vandalizing your property is
essentially a big misunderstanding. Perhaps you should take down that page
and work things out with him privately. Personal grudges are not the common
interest of this community.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 4, 2001, 1:06am

Ethnocentrism. Nuff said. Take your prejudiced attitudes about Germanic
heratige elsewhere.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 4, 2001, 1:39am

You're lucky RoadRunner doesn't give a crap about what its users do online.

*turns to abuse at activeworlds.com*

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>http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html
>
>

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Tony M (fldmshl2013 at hotmail.com)
http://tonyhttp.s5.com

Oct 4, 2001, 2:32am

Well fortunately it is still a free world and I still have a choice
so I think I'll just leave the page where it is for now.

Thank you for your opinion tho

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Oct 4, 2001, 2:38am

Carolann I had know idea you had such a streak of the drama queen
in you dear... This post actually made me chuckle a little... You go girl!!!

Please Visit: http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html

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Oct 4, 2001, 2:51am

I am shocked to see this. I know Ananas has done some slezy things, and we all
have, dont say you havent ether.
But from what I know of him he seems nice and his programs are nice to, Some I
even use because I can and I chose to.
Unlike your webpage thing no one has to download anything of his, and Im shure
you canot make anything such as he can,
being jelous is not a way to fix things. My experence is not to attack someone
pubicly and from what I have learnd you should talk it
out with Ananas him self instead of yelling out in the Newsgroups. This isnt the
place to hold personal grudges,
if you have somethign wrong with him or anyone else you should take it up with
him and not the entire newsgroup.

[View Quote] > Carolann I had know idea you had such a streak of the drama queen
> in you dear... This post actually made me chuckle a little... You go girl!!!
>
> Please Visit: http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html
>
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TrekkerX - CEO
Commatron
http://www.commatron.com

Oct 4, 2001, 4:18am

Then why, if you really do believe what you so ardently spout, do you waste
your time posting a message? Ananas' programs are not in question here
(personally I think they are great) his acts of terrorism are the topic of
this string.
See: http://symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com/WOLF.html


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Oct 4, 2001, 6:39am

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to minors, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, obscene,
libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or
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Oct 4, 2001, 6:47am

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Bodhi,

Publicly personally attacking someone like this will only lead to more anger
between you and Ananas. It seems you came here looking for public support
hoping that the newsgroup will agree with you that you are right and ananas
is wrong, but unfortunately such actions will reflect badly on you instead.

It seems you and Ananas were very good friends before this happened, please
control your emotions, sit down with ananas and talk this through
rationally. I know it's difficult, But it's better than keeping anger pent
up inside you and letting it control you.

Please, Please don't let your emotions start breaking up more friendships.

Oct 4, 2001, 10:32am

No I never expected support from the people in the
NG's I simply wanted to lay out the facts as I see them.

Ananas has lied and he has hurt his friend and my wife
Dreamtime he has done awful stuff to protect his pride.

He doesn't seem to mind who he drags into his lies, he
said last night to me (in a gram) that he had permission
from the world owner (his lover Carolann) that he had
permission to delete my build - I have her response to
me in an email at the time of the attack - she was genuinely
as shocked and surprised as I was - as everyone was.

Ananas hasn't the balls to admit even that he acted alone
- he is not man enough, he needs still to hide behind the
skirts of his women. Well Carolann I pity you as much as
I pity him... Hey and I will take the website down - for now
not because I want to but because I know Homesteads
reputation in these matters... It will be back tho...




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Oct 4, 2001, 4:06pm

<rant>
Listen you jerk!
I'm usually a very tolerant and an easy going person but you managed to get the worst out of me. Get the hell out of those ng please! Would you??? This is the second occasion you steer the pot of NOTHING! judging from the other posts - not only me but several of us had enough of your bullshit! Take your personal vendetta to somewhere else before your internet connection is history!
</rant>

pheeewww - sorry folks - that was more I can handle!
Andras

Oct 4, 2001, 5:38pm

If I may be so bold....

Please use a different term for what he's done. Ananas does not inspire
fear, or terror, to achieve his goals, therefore, he is not a terrorist.
Ananas cannot be a terrorist becuase he deleted a build that had no business
being in a world.

As I understand it, you misunderstood what CarolAnn said. You thought she
gave you permission when in fact she said no. There's nothing wrong with
that because somewhere in there communication between you two accidentally
broke down. But what is wrong is you going around accusing someone as being
just as bad as those who killed 6000 people in the name of God.

In my opinion, that is as bad as killing those 6000 yourself. Now, please
take it to e-mail. It doesn't belong here.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html


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Oct 4, 2001, 6:07pm

1. Make sure your email is not your ISP, and second, find someone who will host your page
instead of using public services... Just making sure your stuff doesn't go down again :)

[View Quote] Ananas has lied and he has hurt his friend and my wife
Dreamtime he has done awful stuff to protect his pride.

He doesn't seem to mind who he drags into his lies, he
said last night to me (in a gram) that he had permission
from the world owner (his lover Carolann) that he had
permission to delete my build - I have her response to
me in an email at the time of the attack - she was genuinely
as shocked and surprised as I was - as everyone was.

Ananas hasn't the balls to admit even that he acted alone
- he is not man enough, he needs still to hide behind the
skirts of his women. Well Carolann I pity you as much as
I pity him... Hey and I will take the website down - for now
not because I want to but because I know Homesteads
reputation in these matters... It will be back tho...




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Oct 4, 2001, 6:15pm

holy crap...i don't think i've seen this many replies to something this
stupid EVER. when i say this is stupid, i honestly mean it. it's really a
waste of time. someone has issues with Ananas? let them solve it by
themselves! the community shouldnt care about this, cuz it doesn't affect
them in any way.

XanLar

Oct 4, 2001, 6:18pm

heh I guess you haven't been around the newsgroups that long. Just go
back and take a look at threads started by Chucks Party or Eep to really
see stupidity in action. :)

[View Quote] > holy crap...i don't think i've seen this many replies to something this
> stupid EVER. when i say this is stupid, i honestly mean it. it's really a
> waste of time. someone has issues with Ananas? let them solve it by
> themselves! the community shouldnt care about this, cuz it doesn't affect
> them in any way.
>
> XanLar
>
>
>


--
Goober King
And to think, having a ton of replies used to be a *good* thing...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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