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Feb 3, 2001, 5:45pm

Not half as incompetent as your little diciple wing. He's even started to adopt your words, isn't that pathetic.

[View Quote] > Sad but probably true, Goober. Aasmund acts fairly incompetent.
>
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Feb 3, 2001, 9:02pm

Because the computers showing seams are in another city. I'm going there in three weeks. Hard to do screenshots from here you know. I could get the exact videocard specifications NOW, but I'd rather do the whole thing properly when I get there. Be patient people, aw isn't going anywhere :).

[View Quote] > And you're too lax. Put up or shut up. Why will it take THREE weeks to do that when you were just OH SO SURE of yourself a day or 2 ago? Inquiring minds want to know...
>
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Feb 3, 2001, 9:30pm

Because as I've stated there's two different bugs at play. One with inaccurate position (tried to ask Roland about this, he just said it was complicated) and one with SEAMS (within objects). The seambug is quite rare I think, but I will post a bug report on it. The other, well, it didn't sound like Roland was going to fix it any time soon, so I guess you'll just have to learn to live with it.

[View Quote] > In a couple of weeks? Umm? Isn't that a bit long to wait? If you know of a
> video card which doesn't show gaps just tell us WTF it is. Saying "this one
> has gaps and this one doesnt" tells those of us who care nothing. I remember
> when the 3.0 beta first came out. At the time I ran a non-3d Cyrix MII 233.
> Downloaded the beta and discovered that the gaps were apparently absent.
> Then afterwards, they seemingly reappeared with a hardware change (FRIED
> that comp like bacon). It was an SiS video chipset with a 3 digit model
> number onboard an AT motherboard which supported Cyrix MII (Socket 7?). Of
> course when I got back into the game, AW3 beta had advanced several builds
> so the initial beta may have been without this problem. Also, the objects
> all appeared to line up flush leading one to believe that it was also more
> precise. Sorry for going on like this but I suddenly remembered this first
> 3.0 experience and thought it might be worth sharing since it is marginally
> on topic with this thread
>
> --
> Wing
> This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
> WHAT TIME IS IT? GAME TIME!
> Ravens are goin Festivus Maximus on Purple Sunday
> AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
> bathgate at prodigy.net
> eyemwing at teleport.com
> ICQ #101207433
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Feb 4, 2001, 12:49pm

If you insist:
seams: Rage fury pro - xpert 2000 pro
no seams: Leadtek Nvidia Geforce 256

I'll provide some screenshots later on.

[View Quote] > The EXACT video card specs aren't needed--just the make and model is, which shouldn't be difficult for you to remember.
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Feb 4, 2001, 9:22pm

I'm currently working on converting 2d raster images into vector/polygon graphic (wait til I make this into real 3d objects!). In this snapshot, there are 15.000 polys +, if there's one place there should be seams this is it.

http://home.no.net/gamlesat/polygongrafikk.png

[View Quote] > Now that's funny since I have a Guillemot 3D Prophet GeForce 256 yet I see seams AND gaps. I don't see how the same chip can be different in its floating point calculations.
>
> Anyone else not see seams and/or gaps? Be sure you understand what they are before responding. If so, state your video card if you see them.
>
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Feb 5, 2001, 4:32am

You should've known by now that I'm not talking about that bug, please reread this:

"Because as I've stated there's two different bugs at play. One with inaccurate position (tried to ask Roland about this, he just said it was complicated) and one
with SEAMS (within objects). The seambug is quite rare I think, but I will post a bug report on it. The other, well, it didn't sound like Roland was going to fix
it any time soon, so I guess you'll just have to learn to live with it."

[View Quote] > <shrug> I'm not talking about seams on objects but in AW BETWEEN objects. Understand the problem before replying to posts about it.
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Feb 5, 2001, 9:43pm

This is a typical eep post; first the personal attack (including inability accusations - you'll get it every time). Then his own way of looking at it (don't try to explain how you look at it - he can only see things from one perspective), then finally the helpful tip of the day - coherence in my posts.

Thanks eep, you always make my day.
ps: coherence is a truck, and it got stuck in the mud. Drive on!

[View Quote] > You're "funny", Assmunch. You reply to a post about your inability to post video cards exhibiting gaps/seams BETWEEN objects (which is what I, Rolu, Wing, and everyone else in this thread--except you, apparently--have been talking about since its inception) to some arbitrary bug about seams in objects. While I've only really noticed the (intra)OBJECT seams in Casay's Lincoln Log set, I see the (inter)object (between) seams/gaps ALL the time. Let's stick to the more important and noticeable bug of the two, eh? But I'm sure they're related to the same shitty math.
>
> Anyway, have more coherence in your replies.
>
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Feb 8, 2001, 6:33pm

I have only seen this discussion from one side since I filtered eep a little while back. What strikes me is how this is made into a real big issue, ban him or don't; I don't really care. But please don't blow up his ego even more with your long post (trying to convince eep with logic heh it's kind of naive) or turning this into a vote. If I were you I would probably ignore/filter eep so he can't turn this into another AWCI suck webpage. And he would probably take down his renderware site if he were banned too...

[View Quote] > Everyone listen very clearly.
>
> I am *not* going to spend me personal time, in here, when I am under no
> obligation to do so, and watch myself, and other people in this newsgroup be
> personally attacked - As I have said, as long as he apologises to the group,
> and refraims from being so derogatory in the future, then there is a choice
> you can all make, and it can be very democratic.
>
> There are two different ways this can be done.
>
> He is to apologise -
>
> OR
>
> If he does not apologise, then the matter will be put to a vote of the users
> of the newsgroups - in a very democratic way. You guys can all take a vote,
> on whether he is to remain here, or not - if the vote says he is to stay,
> then I will no longer be posting to this newsgroup, and you guys get to keep
> him - but, you will also lose any correspondance from me here, and this
> group will go back to the way they were before I started posting in here -
> apathetic and mainly used for everyone to have a good old bitch about the
> company I work for, when they have little or no facts on which to base their
> bitching.
>
> So, there are several outcomes here, and this is how it is going to be -
> democratic, wise and I am telling you right now, I am being very nice in
> even giving these options, because the amount of people around here at the
> office, and also citizens who have just said "throw him out" has been vast.
>
> So it can be an apology and a respectful stance from Eep, or a vote. It cant
> get any fairer than that.
>
> An apology would be the easiest, most rational course I would think, but I
> want to be democratic about this also - I'm not going to decide this issue
> for everyone, as Lara nicely pointed out.
>
> Thankyou, btw.
>
> Facter.
>
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Feb 9, 2001, 5:24pm

Stop, yes please stop. This whole thing is ridiculous. This newsgroup has never revolved so much about eep as it does now.

We need to forget this whole thing and move on.

AAsmund1 - 197583

[View Quote] > Very simple folks. This is NOT a vote for or against Eep or Facter. Facter
> is saying that he wants to follow the will of the community. Please let him
> know your opinion, esp all of you that abstained from voting.
>
> To stop
> cit name- cit # - Stop
>
> To continue
> cit name- cit#- Go on
>
> *Not happy with feeling like I have to start this thread. It's done in the
> hopes of preventing a full blown fall out of our community if at all
> possible at this point.* jeese, and even the stocks were going up, new great
> 3.1 version..... sigh....

Feb 9, 2001, 5:43pm

I don't think people look at you as an enemy, on the contrary. But some of us saw how this would end; engaging in battle with eep seldom results in anything good. Let him be, let him make useful internet sites, and ignore him in the newsgroups if you don't like to be abused. It's that simple.

Keep up posting useful information here, it's appreciated :-)

[View Quote] >
> I will not speak for the company here - but, on a personal level, I took my
> time out to post in here - I was abused, and harrassed - I did what I
> thought was right, and it turns out that it wasnt.
>
> If I screwed up, I apologise, but everyone tries their best.
>
> I may look like an "enemy" to everyone now, frankly, that is fine. I know in
> *my* heart, that I did my best to try and fix a situation.
>
> Frankly, if anyone is going to be disappointed, be disappointed in my
> person, not the company - I am only human, and even humans are often doomed
> to fail when trying to help.
>
> Such as it is.
>
> F.

Feb 9, 2001, 9:20pm

If he didn't ignore me, then this whole thing could've been stoped before the vote.

[View Quote] > No so. What if he chooses not to ignore "you"?
>
> :)
> SW Chris
>
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Feb 15, 2001, 5:46pm

KAH, I would go for a geforce considering aw3.2 will probably support hardware T&L.

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