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Jun 15, 2004, 7:02pm

When you buy a cit it says "Reserve a unique citizen name for your use." yet
when you go into any world, with tourist enabled, a tourist can use your
name, this becomes increasingly awkward in worlds with chatforwarding, or
chatbots. I think that when we buy cits we should get to keep our name, and
not let tourist be able to use them..

this is just my opinion, any comments?

Jun 15, 2004, 8:30pm

Well I recently found out if your cit expires, and you have to get a new cit
(not related to me, but happened to someone I know) then you get a new name,
you can't use your old name from your old cit apparently ... even tho the
old cit expired you can't use that cit's name. Weird eh? I mean if you are
that cit but now have another number then you should be able to use your cit
name since we are known by our names not our cits. This person for whom I
speak now has to have a no space in a name that she would prefer to have a
space in. And, I lost track of her and was sending her grams to the old cit
name not knowing she had a new similar name. Whatz with that? If I pay aw
for a cit/name I should be able to keep both or at least keep my preferred
name intact. Just my two cents...

LNH

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Jun 15, 2004, 9:21pm

Yes, c p, tourists should NOT be allowed to copy your citname as they so
often do.


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Jun 15, 2004, 10:33pm

I completely agree. Tourists should not be able to use names that belong to citizens. It may restrict their name choice a bit, but that's what happens when you're a tourist.

Perhaps we should simply force names like "Guest-<some random number>" for tourists...

[View Quote] > When you buy a cit it says "Reserve a unique citizen name for your use." yet when you go into any world, with tourist enabled, a tourist can use your name, this becomes increasingly awkward in worlds with chatforwarding, or chatbots. I think that when we buy cits we should get to keep our name, and not let tourist be able to use them..
>
> this is just my opinion, any comments?

Jun 15, 2004, 10:59pm

I mean more than once has a person gone to GZ of aw, or awteen claiming to
be me, saying all sorts of things like "my cit expired im leaving aw
forever", or "AWI canceled my cit" or "I hate you all I am leaving AW
forever, iv canceled my cit" or they cuss, its just not fun for me, to get
100 emails saying don't leave aw, or why'd u cuss out so and so at gz...its
horrible that they can do that...
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Jun 16, 2004, 4:07pm

Happens when you're a cit too.

Maybe let tourists use names of expired/disabled cits and names that aren't
used by cits.

John

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Jun 16, 2004, 9:37pm

i think they do that so once you expire someone differnt wont steal your
name.. i think you can contact AWI for them to let you use your old name.

[View Quote] > Well I recently found out if your cit expires, and you have to get a new cit
> (not related to me, but happened to someone I know) then you get a new name,
> you can't use your old name from your old cit apparently ... even tho the
> old cit expired you can't use that cit's name. Weird eh? I mean if you are
> that cit but now have another number then you should be able to use your cit
> name since we are known by our names not our cits. This person for whom I
> speak now has to have a no space in a name that she would prefer to have a
> space in. And, I lost track of her and was sending her grams to the old cit
> name not knowing she had a new similar name. Whatz with that? If I pay aw
> for a cit/name I should be able to keep both or at least keep my preferred
> name intact. Just my two cents...
>
> LNH
>

Jun 16, 2004, 9:59pm

This person did contact them and they wouldn't let her use her old name, not
sure what the logic was there? Best not let my cit expire eh? LOL

LNH


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Jun 16, 2004, 10:56pm

OOoohhh hey, she's got her name back now, seems she got it straightened out
after all LOL.

LNH


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Jun 16, 2004, 11:10pm

hmm, a tourist can not use your citizen name, same for bots. Tourist
names are in double quotes, bots in square brackets, so it's never
your name, and people can see that: compare XelaG, "XelaG" and
[XelaG].

Whoever bothers you about this confusion is making a mistake, and you
can just point out the mistake to them.

What about the confusion between XelaG (xelag) and XeIaG (xeiag)?
Seems much worse to me :)

Alex


[View Quote] >When you buy a cit it says "Reserve a unique citizen name for your use." yet
>when you go into any world, with tourist enabled, a tourist can use your
>name, this becomes increasingly awkward in worlds with chatforwarding, or
>chatbots. I think that when we buy cits we should get to keep our name, and
>not let tourist be able to use them..
>
>this is just my opinion, any comments?
>

Jun 16, 2004, 11:13pm

Yes, I think if you can prove that you are the same expired cit, they
will give it back to you. They don't do that automatically, I think
for good reasons :)

Alex

On 16 Jun 2004 20:56:39 -0400, "lady nighthawk"
[View Quote] >OOoohhh hey, she's got her name back now, seems she got it straightened out
>after all LOL.
>
>LNH

Jun 17, 2004, 2:56am

yeah.. but a tourists can take my name and be "AlexTheMartian" and run
arround saying "i am AlexTheMartian.. my cit expired and im now a
tourist".. but it is actually just some tourist with my name... and i
realize that this could really happen to me.. then i will be
"AlexTheMartian"... i dont know what can be done.

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Jun 17, 2004, 9:11am

True. They could also come in as "Alex" or "Peter" and say: "I'm
AlexTheMartian and my cit expired"... they would be lieing., that's
difficult to stop!

On 17 Jun 2004 00:56:53 -0400, "alexthemartian"
[View Quote] >yeah.. but a tourists can take my name and be "AlexTheMartian" and run
>arround saying "i am AlexTheMartian.. my cit expired and im now a
>tourist".. but it is actually just some tourist with my name... and i
>realize that this could really happen to me.. then i will be
>"AlexTheMartian"... i dont know what can be done.
>
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Jun 17, 2004, 3:15pm

Actually this has happened to actual cits that are cits, a tourist doesn't
have to wait for a cit name to expire to use it. One tourist imparticular
likes to run around using cit names and that is what folks are saying should
not be allowed. But I'm not sure AW can stop that since a tourist name is
treated differently than a cit name. The quotes surely make them *different*
in that you can tell they are a tourist but you cannot tell they aren't the
cit unless the cit is online at the time the imposter uses their name.

LNH


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Jun 17, 2004, 3:25pm

Actually, that "Guest###" idea is a good one! It would also keep tourists
from using names that are swear words or somehow not acceptible. I know we
do use that in 2D chats I'm in but once that person lands in the chat they
can change their own name to whatever they like. But we as owners or staff
can strip anyone with an inappropriate name and make their name something
non-offensive.

Perhaps AW might consider that, allowing their staff to change "tourist"
names if they are inappropriate ... when we do this in 2D chat tho, they are
stuck with the name we give them even if they shut down and reboot. And of
course we are able to UNdo a name change should the person *see the light*.

If nothing else "Guest###" or "Tourist###" might solve alot of problems. But
then, some folks may not feel comfortable in a chat where they can't use a
name (within reason) that they prefer. Unfortunately, ya can't please
everyone.

I'd also like to see the *BLUE room* available to all worlds, so that we can
eject someone causing problems to the blue room for five mins as a first
line of defense. When we do eject someone (while in a world other than aw's)
they go to the gate I assume ... and cause trouble there. I wonder if that's
too much to ask, to allow the blue room eject to everyone ... or tell us how
to set up our own without us having to buy another world and leave it blank?

LNH



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Jun 17, 2004, 4:50pm

Yes , LNH, and for a tourist to be a Guest # upon entering AW, it would give
such incentive to purchase a cit and reserve their own special name.

..Sharon/ORB


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Jun 17, 2004, 7:39pm

It's a matter of opinion, LNH. The fact a tourist wears double quotes
and has grey lettering (and only a choice of two avs, etc) is, in my
opinion, enough to 'punish' him/her, and certainly to make it clear to
all his/her status. What would it change if "guest99" says: I'm Xelag
and my cit expired"? A tourist is recognisable as such.

As for unacceptable names, the problem is simply that AW is used
internationally, and not all universes or worlds use english, nor do
the users, tourists or not. Selecting names based on a specific
language or even dialect is impossible, I could come in as "huy" and
no-one in AW would know that that means "penis" except for a russian
speaking person.

Alex

On 17 Jun 2004 13:25:44 -0400, "lady nighthawk"
[View Quote] >Actually, that "Guest###" idea is a good one! It would also keep tourists
>from using names that are swear words or somehow not acceptible. I know we
>do use that in 2D chats I'm in but once that person lands in the chat they
>can change their own name to whatever they like. But we as owners or staff
>can strip anyone with an inappropriate name and make their name something
>non-offensive.
>
>Perhaps AW might consider that, allowing their staff to change "tourist"
>names if they are inappropriate ... when we do this in 2D chat tho, they are
>stuck with the name we give them even if they shut down and reboot. And of
>course we are able to UNdo a name change should the person *see the light*.
>
>If nothing else "Guest###" or "Tourist###" might solve alot of problems. But
>then, some folks may not feel comfortable in a chat where they can't use a
>name (within reason) that they prefer. Unfortunately, ya can't please
>everyone.
>
>I'd also like to see the *BLUE room* available to all worlds, so that we can
>eject someone causing problems to the blue room for five mins as a first
>line of defense. When we do eject someone (while in a world other than aw's)
>they go to the gate I assume ... and cause trouble there. I wonder if that's
>too much to ask, to allow the blue room eject to everyone ... or tell us how
>to set up our own without us having to buy another world and leave it blank?
>
>LNH

Jun 17, 2004, 8:36pm

yes but more so, its that awi says you are guaranteed that name, you say oh
they have quotes, and bots have [], well, those only demarcate status not
name...[=bot, "=tourist, just says what kind of account is being used,
rather than what name they are.

When im paying 7 a month for a service, and its promised to me, I want what
im supposed to get, and if someone can run around in my name as a tourist
its just bad, then you say well what if you expire, I GUARANTEE you will
tell at least one person that your expiring, majority of people when they
expire post to the ngs, or tell their friends, in which case you know
they'll be using a given tourist name. But for them to be able to use a
name, is not fair. Yes its not much harm done, but for what we're paying we
should want our services.
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Jun 21, 2004, 12:12pm

Not to be too technical, but it's not really promised to you.
What's promised is that you can "reserve a unique citizen name," and, if I'm
not mistaken, you've done exactly that. No other *citizen* may use that
name, hence it is a unique citizen name. Whatever you decide to read into
that isn't AWIs problem. However!

On a second note, my opinion is that a tourist account should be a
specially-flagged citizen account, requiring them to obtain a login and
password, register a name, and obtain an ID number. They still build as cit
0, can't enter certain worlds or use certain avatars and have quotes around
their names, but now I can uniquely ID them in a bot and they can no longer
steal your name. Everyone wins (mostly bot designers...
mwa-ha-haa-ha-haaaa!). What some might not like here is the steady increase
it citnums available as hundreds of tourists register, come in once, and
never return. An easy solution would be to delete tourist cit accounts after
1 week of being totally innactive and reuse the number. This may not be the
best idea for everyones needs, however it's the one which fits my evil plot
(unique character identification by citnum) best.

Brought to you by MonkeyCorp: "We're evil so you don't have to be!"
Yep.

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Jun 21, 2004, 1:04pm

Unfortunately, this would make backward comptibility impossible.
World servers recognise two numbers: cit and privs

tourists have cit 0 and privs 0

bots have cit 0 and privs = cit of their owner

cits have cit > 0 and privs = whichever they are wearing, or 0 if none

Giving a tourist a cit > 0 would mess up all existing world servers I
think. Not to mention the bot SDKs!

Alex

[View Quote] >Not to be too technical, but it's not really promised to you.
>What's promised is that you can "reserve a unique citizen name," and, if I'm
>not mistaken, you've done exactly that. No other *citizen* may use that
>name, hence it is a unique citizen name. Whatever you decide to read into
>that isn't AWIs problem. However!
>
>On a second note, my opinion is that a tourist account should be a
>specially-flagged citizen account, requiring them to obtain a login and
>password, register a name, and obtain an ID number. They still build as cit
>0, can't enter certain worlds or use certain avatars and have quotes around
>their names, but now I can uniquely ID them in a bot and they can no longer
>steal your name. Everyone wins (mostly bot designers...
>mwa-ha-haa-ha-haaaa!). What some might not like here is the steady increase
>it citnums available as hundreds of tourists register, come in once, and
>never return. An easy solution would be to delete tourist cit accounts after
>1 week of being totally innactive and reuse the number. This may not be the
>best idea for everyones needs, however it's the one which fits my evil plot
>(unique character identification by citnum) best.
>
>Brought to you by MonkeyCorp: "We're evil so you don't have to be!"
>Yep.
>
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Jun 21, 2004, 3:24pm

Of course, it does require all components (browser, SDK, server) to be
revised, not to mention most bots, and a new SDK attribute such as aw_bool
(AW_CITIZEN_TOURIST).. I did admit it was a rather selfish idea. ;D

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