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Jan 19, 2004, 6:55am

It would be nice to be able to seed objects using only your AW client. Why
must you need a nearby object to seed your own? It seems to me like a
simple idea that has never been implimented. It could solve so many problems
(I.E. an empty private world, and you could simply seed an object in front
of you, or the ability to seed an object in AW without the hassle of a bot,
as some people's computers crash when using bots)

Jan 19, 2004, 3:23pm

This is probably the best example of a case where someone at AW spending
five or six hours adding this could save many many users the hassle of
spending five or six hours *each* to configure and use a bot.

I often wonder how many new world owners delete their seed object, and
get a really bad taste in their mouth when they find out how much hassle
they need to go through to get one back.

I call it the "batteries not included" mentality, and it might have worked
for
toys, but you'll notice that when you buy anything targetted at adults
nowadays
the batteries are most definitely in the box. No more dissapointed
purchasers
because of that minor detail.

Most companies would bend over backwards to prevent new customers
from having a bad user experience the first day out.

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Jan 19, 2004, 3:43pm

Surely they wouldn't need to spend that much time doing it... after all, all
that needs to be done is effectivly an object added (perhaps snapped to
grid) at the users current location.

~John

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Jan 19, 2004, 4:37pm

I think AWI could just spend some time and money tweaking what we already
have, rather than wasting OUR resources (read as MONEY) on new "toys".

I am not "computer savvy". I don't even know what you guys are talking about
half the time. LoL!!!
Just give me better building objects and nicer, updated textures and I'll be
happy.

Tart Sugar

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Jan 19, 2004, 6:17pm

just click a button.. and boom! there is a walk001h.rwx right under your
feet! and now you can start your little house, or maybe even a future
town :)

[View Quote] > I think AWI could just spend some time and money tweaking what we already
> have, rather than wasting OUR resources (read as MONEY) on new "toys".
>
> I am not "computer savvy". I don't even know what you guys are talking about
> half the time. LoL!!!
> Just give me better building objects and nicer, updated textures and I'll be
> happy.
>
> Tart Sugar
>
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Jan 19, 2004, 8:26pm

Go and delete every single object in your world, and then try to build
something, and then you will know what we're talking about.

And just for fun, keep track of how long it takes you to get back up
and running afterwards and let me know. I'll even give you a hint..
read up on how to obtain, install, configure and use a bot. Choose your
bot carefully too.. some of them are just trojans that will give you a virus
and steal your cit.

I think you get the impression we are asking for some cool new feature,
when in fact all we are asking for is that they do exactly as you say...
make
what they have already provided work "out of the box" without **requiring**
the use of a 'bot' if you happen to find you've deleted your seed object
without realizing that it leaves you utterly and completely dead in the
water.

If you consider this a "waste", then you definitely don't understand what
we're talking about and maybe you shouldn't jump in and 'un' wish it.

I also find it ironic that you consider your money a resource but not your
time. I consider my time actually more valuable than my money, and I
don't consider new features that save my time as 'toys'.

I know how to get myself out of this situation just fine. I don't really
need
this feature, and neither does anyone else who has already figured out how
to use a bot. This wish is entirely for the benefit of new users, and
intended
to suggest a way that AW could improve their user experience.

But the next time someone who doesn't know how to use a bot asks me to
bail them out and seed their world for them, I will tell them to come and
find you to do it for them.

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Jan 19, 2004, 10:08pm

WHOA!!!!! Pardon me, PLEASE!!!!
I meant no disrespect to anybody here.
If out of my total ignorance I have offended you, CodeWarrior, or anybody
else here by my foolish, uninformed opinions, I am VERY sorry.
I'll go sit quietly in the corner and think about what just happened here.

Tart Sugar

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Jan 19, 2004, 11:08pm

> I'll go sit quietly in the corner and think about what just happened here.

Here's what happened..

Some of us stated our opinions relating to a problem faced by world
owners.

You stated your opinion that spending time on what our opinion was about
was a waste of OUR resources.

I made a post that tried to illustrate the problem we were trying to suggest
a way to solve, why it is not a waste of OUR resources to solve it, how it
currently wastes OUR resources to not have a solution to it, and why you
should not make posts about wether it is wise or not wise for AW to spend
OUR resources on it without actually understanding what the issue actually
is.

I also tried to point out that time is just as much a resource as money,
and to some people far more valuable.

It is normal for people to suggest workarounds or raise questions about
wishes people make, and it is also normal that if you tell someone that
something they wish for is not needed or a waste of time, they will make
further posts if they feel they need to justify it, or disagree with your
argument against it.

Your post seemed to challenge the notion that this feature is needed. You
seemed to consider it a 'toy'. You should expect people who feel quite
differently about it to take issue with such a characterization.

You don't need to sit in the corner. If you don't think any of the wishes on
this list have merit, then speak up.. but expect the people making the
wishes
to defend and justify them.

Jan 20, 2004, 12:04am

what codewarrior said, that simple feature could save so much hassle. I
mean, the seedbot no longer works in alphaworld. aren't bots just different
clients under the same username?

Jan 20, 2004, 5:13am

I find it ironic that it's the private programmers not in any way affiliated
with AWinc (or COF at the time) who figured out how to seed objects from
nothing. All this requires is adding in a few lines of code into the
browser, which I assume are similar to the lines of code used in the
seedbots, since those are clients as well.

Jan 20, 2004, 12:34pm

I just want everybody to know what a class act CodeWarrior is. When CW saw
me in The Gate yesterday, he gave me a BIG HUG and we discussed this thread
and my uninformed comment in whisper. (so as not to disturb the other other
chatters) I now see the error of my ways.
Thank-you, CodeWarrior. Yer a SWELL av. : )

Tart Sugar
A little tart sugar will put a permanent pucker on yer kisser.

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Jan 20, 2004, 6:11pm

holy freak this is a bit weird, and ironic as you seem to be saying allot. I
have come to the understanding aw should be able to do everything a bot can
and more. AW should'nt NEED outside resources not programmed by awi in any
way shape or form to do jobs in aw. aw needs to be all inclusive. not just
ok here's the program, now go find 6-10 more programs and use them to make
your world fun and giggly.
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Jan 22, 2004, 1:28am

oh great, just make the browser have a 3rd mose (first is beginners,
then you click 'advanced mode', and then you would have to click 'Expert
mode' becuase most people dont want that junk on the browser)

[View Quote] > holy freak this is a bit weird, and ironic as you seem to be saying allot. I
> have come to the understanding aw should be able to do everything a bot can
> and more. AW should'nt NEED outside resources not programmed by awi in any
> way shape or form to do jobs in aw. aw needs to be all inclusive. not just
> ok here's the program, now go find 6-10 more programs and use them to make
> your world fun and giggly.
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