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Dec 13, 1998, 5:14pm

Hello,

we just received our Universe Server. Now we need some helping hands to
implement a AW World like never before. We like to have the best 3D design
with best functionality around.
If you are a good 3D Designer ( 3D Studio Max, Lightwave, Softimage or
Renderware ) or a good programmer, then send me a email to
jkh at swiss-mail.com
We are also open to your ideas. If you have fun working in a AW project and
also making a little money, the you are the one.

JKH

Dec 13, 1998, 6:23pm

Can;t get bots into other Universes :) but if your looking for a object maker
PICK ME! :)

[View Quote] > Hello,
>
> we just received our Universe Server. Now we need some helping hands to
> implement a AW World like never before. We like to have the best 3D design
> with best functionality around.
> If you are a good 3D Designer ( 3D Studio Max, Lightwave, Softimage or
> Renderware ) or a good programmer, then send me a email to
> jkh at swiss-mail.com
> We are also open to your ideas. If you have fun working in a AW project and
> also making a little money, the you are the one.
>
> JKH

Dec 13, 1998, 6:47pm

why not? isn't it the same program, with slight modifications?

[View Quote] > Can;t get bots into other Universes :) but if your looking for a object maker
> PICK ME! :)
>
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Dec 13, 1998, 7:33pm

Because SDK bots require 2.1 universes which aren't released yet. There's
only two 2.1 universes, one being AW.
- Ima

dean <challagar at hotmail.com> wrote in article
<367427E0.9D5CB199 at hotmail.com>...
> why not? isn't it the same program, with slight modifications?
>
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Dec 13, 1998, 10:24pm

And the other one??


[View Quote] > Because SDK bots require 2.1 universes which aren't released yet. There's
> only two 2.1 universes, one being AW.
> - Ima
>
> dean <challagar at hotmail.com> wrote in article
> <367427E0.9D5CB199 at hotmail.com>...
> maker
> to
> design
> or
> project and

Dec 14, 1998, 5:49pm

Not quite, Ima Genius. Some 2.0 worlds have no problems whatsoever
welcoming SDK bots. Try Jurasico, for instance, or the trial worlds.
Other 2.0 worlds require caretaker privileges, others (the majority, I
think) can't accept SDKs at all. I might be wrong about this last bit,
though, maybe you need caretaker privileges in those worlds too. It's
a mystery to me, there doesn't seem to be a logic behind it. Rumors
say that 2.0 worlds built from scratch - not upgraded - don't have
problems with SDK. I wish someone could explain this, it's very
frustrating building bots that go nowhere.

XelaG.


On 13 Dec 1998 13:33:46 -0800, "Ima Genius" <webmaster at imatowns.com>
[View Quote] >Because SDK bots require 2.1 universes which aren't released yet. There's
>only two 2.1 universes, one being AW.
> - Ima
>
>dean <challagar at hotmail.com> wrote in article
><367427E0.9D5CB199 at hotmail.com>...
>maker
>to
>design
>or
>project and

Dec 14, 1998, 6:28pm

Xela,

Ima was referring to the universe server, not the world server. SDK
applications can function inside 2.0 world servers as you say, because SDK
apps just look like normal users to 2.0 servers. One exception is the
aw_whisper() call, which will work only in 2.1 worlds, since 2.0 worlds
don't know how to implement whisper.

I don't understand what you are saying about some 2.0 worlds not accepting
SDK apps. SDK apps work in all 2.0 worlds, unless the access permissions of
a particular world have been set to block out the owner of the bot. That's
all the logic there is to it. Whether a world was built from scratch or
upgraded from 1.3 has nothing to do with it.

The same does not go for universe servers. There were very substantial
changes made to the universe server to support the SDK. None of these
changes are present in the 2.0 universe servers, so SDK apps will not work
there. The SDK will work in all universes once the 2.1 universe server is
released.

-Roland


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Dec 14, 1998, 6:38pm

Hi,

The SDK newsgroup was not an appropriate place for this post. Please direct
any further posts on this topic to either the awcommunity or worldbuilders
newsgroup.

Thanks,
Roland

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Dec 16, 1998, 1:01am

Hi Roland,

On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:28:02 -0800, "Roland Vilett" <roland at lmi.net>
[View Quote] >Xela,
>
>Ima was referring to the universe server, not the world server. SDK
>applications can function inside 2.0 world servers as you say, because SDK
>apps just look like normal users to 2.0 servers. One exception is the
>aw_whisper() call, which will work only in 2.1 worlds, since 2.0 worlds
>don't know how to implement whisper.
>
>I don't understand what you are saying about some 2.0 worlds not accepting
>SDK apps. SDK apps work in all 2.0 worlds, unless the access permissions of
>a particular world have been set to block out the owner of the bot. That's
>all the logic there is to it. Whether a world was built from scratch or
>upgraded from 1.3 has nothing to do with it.

I'll give you an example. I have permission and are welcome to try my
bots in Amigos and Amigos2. Although I get into those worlds myself,
my bots don't, neither do Hambots in SDK mode, unless I bring them in
with caretaker rights: as plain citizen XelaG, they get rejected with
reason 467 RC_NOT_WELCOME. We have been looking for a solution with
AMD and other amigos ppl, but have not found one. Most other worlds
I've tried in the COF universe (I suppose that is where they are if
they are on the browser's list) refuse my and Hamfon's SDK bots,
although they don't refuse me.

>
>The same does not go for universe servers. There were very substantial
>changes made to the universe server to support the SDK. None of these
>changes are present in the 2.0 universe servers, so SDK apps will not work
>there. The SDK will work in all universes once the 2.1 universe server is
>released.

Excuse my ignorance in these matters, Roland, it talk of my experience
and the explanations I've heard. If I follow your reasoning correctly,
it means that
(i) the COF universe has a 2.1 server, whereas others don't. And:
(ii) 2.0 worlds in 2.1 universe servers should accept all bots,
including SDK ones, unless the owner of the bot is refused entry.
(iii) the worlds on my browsers list are all in the COF universe.

If this is so, then I have been attempting to bring in SDK bots to
places where they should not get rejected with reason 467, but they
do. Right?

That's my experience in these matters. Welcome back to ng, btw !

XelaG

>
>-Roland
>
>
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Dec 16, 1998, 6:13am

Hi Xela,

The reason you are getting RC_NOT_WELCOME from some worlds is that those
worlds are running the 2.1 world server. All COF worlds are running 2.1, as
well has all worlds hosted by TCSN. I believe the Amigos worlds are hosted
by TCSN.

2.1 worlds can disallow bots, and in fact by default they disallow all bots
until set otherwise. If you need to get bots into a world hosted by TCSN,
have the world owner contact Bill Hoover(bill at activeworlds.com) and ask him
to enable bots in that world.

From the outside, it's not easy to tell the difference between a 2.0 world
server and a 2.1 world server, at least without a 2.1 browser. However, if
you are getting RC_NOT_WELCOME back from the SDK in a world that you
yourself can enter without difficulty, then it is definitely a 2.1 world
server set to not allow in any bots.

-Roland

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Dec 16, 1998, 11:05am

Thank you very much, Roland, for your explanation. I will forward this
information to the Amigos group.

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:13:54 -0800, "Roland Vilett" <roland at lmi.net>
[View Quote] >Hi Xela,
>
>The reason you are getting RC_NOT_WELCOME from some worlds is that those
>worlds are running the 2.1 world server. All COF worlds are running 2.1, as
>well has all worlds hosted by TCSN. I believe the Amigos worlds are hosted
>by TCSN.
>
>2.1 worlds can disallow bots, and in fact by default they disallow all bots
>until set otherwise. If you need to get bots into a world hosted by TCSN,
>have the world owner contact Bill Hoover(bill at activeworlds.com) and ask him
>to enable bots in that world.
>
>From the outside, it's not easy to tell the difference between a 2.0 world
>server and a 2.1 world server, at least without a 2.1 browser. However, if
>you are getting RC_NOT_WELCOME back from the SDK in a world that you
>yourself can enter without difficulty, then it is definitely a 2.1 world
>server set to not allow in any bots.
>
>-Roland
>
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Dec 16, 1998, 5:52pm

If you want I can write a quick bot that lets you set the bot_rights. :)
- Ima

XelaG <x at x.com> wrote in article
<3677afb3.88760771 at news.activeworlds.com>...
> Thank you very much, Roland, for your explanation. I will forward this
> information to the Amigos group.
>
> On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:13:54 -0800, "Roland Vilett" <roland at lmi.net>
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Dec 16, 1998, 8:18pm

I'd be delighted, mailto:decastro at cable.a2000.nl

;o} XelaG.

On 16 Dec 1998 11:52:27 -0800, "Ima Genius" <webmaster at imatowns.com>
[View Quote] >If you want I can write a quick bot that lets you set the bot_rights. :)
> - Ima

Dec 20, 1998, 10:08pm

Once again i'm sorry for posting to the wrong NG. ...but as a nwb i have to
find the right sources and contacts in the AW Universe first. And that's a
hard job so far...
Gretz, JKH


Roland Vilett schrieb in Nachricht <36757717.0 at homer>...
>Hi,
>
>The SDK newsgroup was not an appropriate place for this post. Please
direct
>any further posts on this topic to either the awcommunity or worldbuilders
>newsgroup.
>
>Thanks,
>Roland
>
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