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Aug 20, 2005, 1:42am

I am sadden to say that as a result of everything that has happened lately
that one of our dearest and nicest people has decided to not only stop
giving CitBingo Prizes.. but intends to leave as well! I sure do hope that
all the fighting and bickering and crap is worth this great loss. Speaking
for myself.. I am just so very sad about it all. I won't say who it is..
that will be evident soon enough.. I just hope all you who feel the
GINORMOUS need to have the last word or have the last dig or have the last
say.. are finally satisfied. My God this is supposed to be fun! Can you all
for once put your egos aside and please stop the fighting? I think we have
lost enough. :( Please think twice about replying to my post in anger or
self-righteousness or anything other than the spirit which my post has been
made for. To make us all think before we speak.. and try to remember what is
really important in life. When is enough .. really enough? Please no more
pointing fingers.. I for one have had enough!
Garnet

Aug 20, 2005, 2:13am

A country is making nuclear weapons to fire at us all RIGHT NOW and its
entirely our own fault for being self asborbed, over opinionated, media
controlled assholes! You want to know which country? Well I'm not going to
tell you...

Wot?

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- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

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Aug 20, 2005, 2:56am

Meh, yeah. k. whatever
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Aug 20, 2005, 9:52am

But don't every one have a right to defend ourself's?
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Aug 20, 2005, 11:16am

Yes I too have had enough of the pointing of fingers and slander. Bad enough
to read it here but when people start taking their grievances to the Gate
area, in front of potential new customers... well that's just plain immature
and very, very sad. With all the expiring citizens, we need to put our best
face forward to encourage new registrations, not to mention free PR. If all
we can manage is to present ourselves as a community of bickering, trivial
(yes, trivial!) idiots who can't manage to control ourselves in public then
perhaps AW WILL be known as nothing but an over-emotional, mismanaged wreck
of an experience. Sure there are some legitimate problems that need
addressing. But there are some good people out there who, because of a
misunderstanding, have been given a nasty reputation because of tongue
wagging. Because I REALLY don't want to provoke flaming from some people who
don't know how to control their responses, I refuse to mention any names or
situations. Let's keep all this manure out of the Gate area please? It's not
fair to the people who don't want to get involved, or to the GK's who are
trying to help the new people learn the program and most importantly...it's
really giving the new folks a BAD impression of us.


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Aug 20, 2005, 11:37am

For those of you who have been falsely convinced that i just started
throwing stones for no reason and wants to know the truth of who is bringing
it to the gate here is the proof. I never said a word till it was in
defence!
Then insted of bringing it out at the gate i comented on it in here where he
is discussing free stuff wich is what he was trying to make me look bad
about in the first place.

TaLLan: ole Titania over there accussed me of stealing her terrain textures
which are a free download from Murasaki
TaLLan: LOL
Amore Di AngeLo: O-o
Justus: I don't want flied lice.
TaLLan: what a joke
Amore Di AngeLo: giggles
curdle.: LOl..i think hes fixed...mcnuggets and fried rice do not go.lol
King RaMel o: here it comes
CradLe Of FiLth: justus u here
Lady Trishia o: well Holden we really don't need to discuss that ummmm
uhhhhh area here
Queen RaMel o: now , he,s starting in on you gurl.lol
Straker: :D
Justus: I'm here. :\
BeeBo: ok im off so hugs waves and poofs
TaLLan: I redid a palm tree which was free from AWUniversity and told the
RaMels where I got it
Justus: [[[[[ Beebs ]]]]]]
CradLe Of FiLth: take care Beebo
Titania o: lol your a joke. you tricked Talian into giving them to you off
my path insted of getting themyourself

If he didn't want me to defend myself in puplic he shouldn't have attacked
me in public.
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Aug 20, 2005, 12:13pm

I agree,, I,am Tierd of this crap too,,,
it wouldn,t be here If Tallan Hadn,t started his Harssment
I was called aside by PK, It is Truely a Case of Haressment by Tallan
part...

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Aug 20, 2005, 12:16pm

I am sideing with Titania I am sorry We kept our mouths shut thru this but
now that person is attacking us. Would you not be forced to defend yourself
by whatever means necesary?

If you were attacked on the street by someone with a knife and you had a gun
in your pocket would you use it or stand there and be stabbed?

As well our dear friend was going to leave because of the harrassment
takeing place many many ppl have come forward as a result of the same style
of bullying. If it is to stop maybe it's best that person does leave for
good. AW does not belong to that person AW is a public world and belongs to
all the citizens and tourists that enjoy coming in to be friends and be
happy...



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Aug 20, 2005, 3:38pm

I recently won 2 avs from a Trivia contest. When I loaded the avs, both
showed an error although they looked fine. I contacted Titania, the maker,
telling of this error and was told 'at least they work'. This was not good
enough for me as I do not allow errors on my world. I then offered to look
into the notepad to see if I could spot the error and perhaps fix it if she
was unable. I was told to go ahead. On the second line of that notepad, a
line had been added stated that it was made by Titania. There was no pound
sign in front of it. I fixed my 2 new avs and advised Titania of the simple
error on line 2 of the notepad, also advising her to send corrections to any
and all people she had already either given or sold these avs to.

Not too long after I won an 'object' from Bingo. On receiving the 'object' I
found only the jpg, bmp and the bmp zipped, no notepad. I contacted Queen
RaMel asking where the notepad was. I was told 'a sprite does not need a
notepad'. I then complained saying it was supposed to be an object not a
texture and that a sprite, a simple notepad, was an object. She finally
after arguing did sent me the notepad. Which had an error in it, and also
stood 20 ft tall for a Dreamcatcher. The error caused the texture not to
show. I sent her a notepad of a sprite with her object named in it, telling
her if she is going to give away objects, to at least give objects that
work. It is a standard sprite notepad, and the Dreamcatcher then worked
fine. Was basically told that it worked fine for everyone else (as a texture
on a panel) and was not thanked for pointing out the errors or fixing it or
advising of the problems with it. I was made to feel that I was complaining
for nothing.

Complaining yes. I make objects and do not sell them or give them away. Why?
Because I do not believe they are good enough. I make them for the joy of
seeing my imagination appear solid, and to have things 'fit properly' in the
space I want that object. But when I win something, I do expect that object
to be worth winning. Twice I have won. Twice the objects were either faulted
or not what was promised.

So stop giving things away. If you are new at object making, make them for
yourselves but keep your errors to yourself. If you want to sell or give
away, make damn sure they work right.

Stop the flow of bad objects, we have enough already.

sweets
'no longer taking freebies'



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Aug 20, 2005, 4:34pm

And you brought this to news groups why?? isn't there enough bashing going
on here? thats something u should take up with her privately. I have tons of
freebie objects that arent perfect but they look fine to me and i dont mind
using them. theres a few that have too many verts but u dont see me whining
about it in the ng's. i just simply dont use them and keep my mouth shut
about them. If u dont like them dont use them. simple as that. there has
been too much bashing and griping and sniveling on here as it is. and i wish
it would stop. its not a big deal to put the texture on a sprite rwx thats
the right size. only takes a min to change the texture and mask.
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Aug 20, 2005, 5:16pm

Looks over all the posts in this thread and eyes glaze over.
I bet someone could sum up this whole topic for me in 10..nay, 6 words!
Anyone willing? :P

- Com

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Aug 20, 2005, 5:26pm

Absolute Unadulterated Immaturely Rated Utter Bollocks

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- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

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Aug 20, 2005, 9:07pm

Free is Free deal with it



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Aug 20, 2005, 9:22pm

of course not... it didnt, have no notepad,, it was a Sprite... Sripte is of
a JPG and MASK
O_o.. Smurks

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Aug 20, 2005, 9:24pm

Plain azz bull sh*T I shortin it for ya.. Smurks

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Aug 20, 2005, 9:28pm

I admit I,am not good at makeing Sprites
I Never Claim to be a Modler
everybody do things there own way
if you see oneof things up for prize,, since you think of it so badly,, JUST
dont, play for it i right.. ^_~ Solves that

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Aug 20, 2005, 10:48pm

Why? because others may have these objects. Others may receive objects from
these so called object makers. This is supposed to be a community. I am not
'bashing' anyone. I am sick of this whole conversation here and at the Gate.
I am stating that your freebies are not always good and the ones complaining
the most here in this thread are ones that are supplying faulted objects.
That is ALL. I name names because they are naming themselves here. Naming
themselves as object makers. In so doing advertising the availability of
their objects, either free or for sale. I am trying to stop the stress of
new world owners receiving faulted objects. That is ALL.

I fix many object for world owners, I advise them if I can on how to
simplify or solve a problem with an object they are making. I try to help
the object makers that ask for my help with my skill and knowledge. I am
always available and always have been to share my knowledge either in
building or objects. And other object makers have helped me out enormously
with problems or tricks. It is called heh free trade. You scratch my back I
will scratch yours. Lately everyone is scratching eyes instead of backs.

I have always loved AW, but all this petty arguing over a bunch of badly
made objects is a bit annoying. I said what I said to aid the community, not
to pick sides with anyone. Far as I can see you are all in the wrong. Could
it be that all this stupidity is because of free radio stations and a stupid
war that has been going on for far too long. BTW I dont know many that are
NOT sick of this crap.

Free is free, yes, but free can also mean worlds crashing, people lagging,
problems that new people to AW may not realize could even exist. Should not
free also mean 'free of errors'?

sweets




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Aug 20, 2005, 10:53pm

ps: a sprite is a 4 vertex panel on xorienty making it 'face' someone. A
sprite is an object with a texture. A texture is a jpg or a bmp or a jpg
with a bmp mask. A texture is NOT an object. A sprite is not a texture.
Period. Bingo advertises the prize as an object sprite. Just want you to
play fair.

Admitting you are wrong is a big step in actually learning. Bingo was wrong
stating a prize was something it was not, until pointed out, and corrected
by me.

Saying sorry is the second step to learning objects. When wrong admit your
error, say sorry, then listen to the correction with an open mind, not open
defense.
That is all.
sweets


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Aug 20, 2005, 11:03pm

also is no big deal to me to put it on an rwx....but the rwx was NOT
supplied with the textures. And when I asked about that for curiousity
knowing I could just as well do it myself, all I got was an argument that
the jpg was a sprite.

All I am saying is that if Bingo is giving prizes, trivia is giving prizes,
etc, those prizes should be what they are 'advertising' and also checked to
be worthy enough and error free to be a prize.

how many other world owners now have objects by these people and do not even
realize there is a problem. NG is for advising of problems. Well I am
advising of the problem, not sitting here trying to pick people's noses.

sweets

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Aug 21, 2005, 1:12am

[View Quote] Free as in speech or free as in beer?

Aug 21, 2005, 1:35am

Beer for everyone {_}


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Aug 21, 2005, 8:01am

Sweets i explained to you that i was new at it and didn't know what the
error was for. I also thanked you very much for figuring it out for me and
corrected it with any further models. Thanks again for helping me :-)

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Aug 21, 2005, 10:36am

no i am not willing, sir.

-SWE

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Aug 22, 2005, 2:09am

I corrected the mistake... Wot Else you want?.. My Bananas?....
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Aug 22, 2005, 2:10am

But You Are Correct


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Aug 22, 2005, 2:10pm

Glory be she finally admits it. But sorry to be picky but you did NOT fix
it.

Honesty is exactly what I am saying does not exist anymore with some.

when advised of the problem with the object being black, I told you that
texture jpg mask=bmp.zip is not how it is done on notepad, I was told *well
it works fine for everyone else.* Impossible.

create texture jpg mask=bmp.zip is used ON an object, NOT in a notepad where
it is written texture jpg mask bmp.zip. No equal sign. Again an argument
from you stating it works fine for everyone as a sprite.

I finally sent you back the corrected copy. A notepad of the right size to
fit your dreamcatcher (1 ft tall instead of 20 ft). The incorrect line with
the equals sign corrected. Also the textures were full of caps, which I
renamed using the same names you used but low case. I also unzipped the bmp,
renamed to low case, and rezipped.

I then sent you the corrected adjusted notepad, the corrected jpg, and the
corrected bmp.

and you say YOU fixed it?. OK you fixed it, with no thank you to me other
than arguments that you seemed to k now better. Fine you know better. As
shows in this thread full of crap..

Honesty is a big thing to me. Helping others is a big thing to me. Being
appreciated is also a big thing, sorry if that is against the rules of AW.

Kind of shows that this whole thread is bull when you have people like this
saying they did something they never did. Saying they made something they
never did.

All I want is a little honesty, and maybe a pat on the back when I help out.
(heh yes I am a dreamer)

btw....you are welcome (for the thank you that never came) and hope you have
learned something from all this.

sweets

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Aug 22, 2005, 4:15pm

my god what a baby sheesh ...
Mel has given out many of theses and you are the one and only to whine and
cry about a free image...

Aug 22, 2005, 9:10pm

I was Honest
Want I meant was yes, you are Correct,, I fix my sprite/objects that way
from now on... Sorry,, Was Worded Wrong


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Aug 22, 2005, 9:10pm

Thank you for your Help Sweets


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Aug 23, 2005, 10:01am

Ohh come on Sweets, she was just trying to do something nice. I myself
prefure having just the sprite then i can put it on any size of panel i want
and not have to add anouther panel on my path that i would probably never
use :-)

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