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Mar 28, 2004, 2:06pm

Regarding suggestive text and images, I feel it is wrong to deny a person
something, then using suggestive text and images, try to let them know they
will gain something better by not doing whatever they were denied. For
instance, gatekeeper. If I were denied being a gatekeeper, then, by using
tourists, rollplay and suggestive speech and images, people try to "train"
me to think I'm still going to given the knowledge of a GK - that is wrong.
It's wrong because there is no validation to the individual. It seeks to
separate them from ones that were able to go through the process as a team.
It seeks to destroy the community. It happens here in AW.

A good friend once said to me, "You see what you want to see." (regarding
AW) I don't agree with that. It is a form of brainwashing. If this is
only that you see what you want to see, then, good friend, are you also
saying that's tough for brainwashed children blowing themselves up in
Israel?

The Lady
thelady263414 at hotmail.com


CC: support at activeworlds.com
peacekeeper at activeworlds.com

Mar 28, 2004, 3:35pm

Some Lady Wrote:
> CC: support at activeworlds.com
> peacekeeper at activeworlds.com

Do you not stop to think "Hmmm.... Perhaps im getting annoying and am
probably filtered from most peoples email systems by now... Perhaps I should
stop wasting my, and other peoples time"

- MR

Mar 28, 2004, 3:53pm

keep up the good work

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Mar 28, 2004, 4:48pm

You think in weird ways.

Children blowing them selves up in Isreal has nothing to do with VR. VR is a
diferent kind of reality. When are you going to get it? AW is vertual
reallity. It is not physical. The things happening in Isreal is REAL LIFE.
It's physical. If a child blows him self up in AW it's pretend. If a child
blows him self up in Isreal its for keeps; he dies.

I am discusted at the fact that you brought that into the news groups as
part of your weird reasoning. And it's insulting to the memories of those
children. No one in AW is being brainwashed. Maybe what your good friend
meant by saying that you see what you want to see is, YOU don't see the
whole picture, YOU only see what you want to see. Maybe he meant that
YOU are not thinking right. Maybe he meant for you to back up and take a
good look. You are alway saying stuff that tells every one reading it that
you think AW IS REAL LIFE. IT IS NOT!!

Some people do make good friends in aw. And those friendships may extend
into the real world, but that is between friends. Other then that AW is a
place where people come to mentaly escape from the real world for a few
hours. It is not meant to be a replacement for real life. You seem to have
crossed the line and you think aw is real life.

I for one don't really care about the vertual polotics of the Gatekeepers or
your dissagreements with them. And, I expect most other people don't really
care for it either. It's a personal thing between you and them. I don't come
to AW for politics or to take up arms against your vertual enemies. If you
tryed to become a gate keeper and were rejected by them, I'm sorry about
that. You are probably not the only one who has been rejected over the
years. That's just the way it goes when looking for a job. But, you have
been pouting and complaining about it long enough. MOVE ON!!! Give it a
rest.

And, PLEASE TRY to SEPERATE VERTUAL REALITY from REAL LIFE in YOUR MIND.
There is a diference.

Imagine

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Mar 28, 2004, 5:54pm

Obviously not....lol

And if she hasn't realized it already, I don't think she's ever going to.

-Jeremy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jeremy Booker - Owner / Webmaster
JTech Web Systems
www.JTechWebSystems.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about
itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." -Mathew 5:34




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Mar 28, 2004, 7:19pm

[View Quote] You are entitled to your opinion. : )

> Children blowing them selves up in Isreal has nothing to do with VR.

Children blowing themselves up in Israel have been brainwashed.
Some people in AW are brainwashed. See the parallel?

VR is a
> diferent kind of reality. When are you going to get it? AW is vertual
> reallity. It is not physical. The things happening in Isreal is REAL LIFE.
> It's physical. If a child blows him self up in AW it's pretend. If a child
> blows him self up in Isreal its for keeps; he dies.

I have seen statements similar to yours by other people, in gz areas and in
the newsgroup. It is an attempt to spawn discussion about and/or validate
what everyone here already knows, that AW is real life. Problem is many of
us, including some of the first citizens, wanted to keep the two kinds of
lives separate. It can be damaging to live two lives, one in VR, the other
in our local lives (I choose to not say real life anymore - local and VR are
the terms I use). Also, we all are vulnerable to laying aside the problems
in real life and taking on the ones here. For people that already have
strong independant living skills before they come to AW, it might not be so
hard. However, take someone that has been through a traumatic experience,
depressed, a child still living at home, a struggling marriage or shy
people, they are very vulnerable to trying to separate their experience here
with the one in their locality. I guess it's not much different than a
married woman or man cheating once a month on their spouse by flying to
another state to live it up for a weekend. It can also be compared to a
minister going to another state where he is not known to buy pornography.
So, if a child blows himself up in Israel, it is for keeps, he dies. If a
minister's pornography is found by his laymen, it is for keeps, he is asked
to leave the church. If a married woman or man is found cheating once a
month by their spouse on that free-for-all weekend, the spouse and
relationship is devastated. See the parallel? There is no difference in VR
truth and Local Life truth. One is no more or less important than the
other.

> I am discusted at the fact that you brought that into the news groups as
> part of your weird reasoning. And it's insulting to the memories of those
> children. No one in AW is being brainwashed. Maybe what your good friend
> meant by saying that you see what you want to see is, YOU don't see the
> whole picture, YOU only see what you want to see. Maybe he meant that
> YOU are not thinking right. Maybe he meant for you to back up and take a
> good look. You are alway saying stuff that tells every one reading it that
> you think AW IS REAL LIFE. IT IS NOT!!

I think the above paragraphs address this portion of your post as well.

> Some people do make good friends in aw. And those friendships may extend
> into the real world, but that is between friends. Other then that AW is a
> place where people come to mentaly escape from the real world for a few
> hours. It is not meant to be a replacement for real life. You seem to have
> crossed the line and you think aw is real life.

See the above paragraphs - You are either living a truthful life all the way
around or you are using AW and other avenues as mentioned above as an
escape. The two must be kept in proportion to one another, otherwise it can
be damaging. More than that, it can lead to more serious things such as
brainwashing and human experimentation.

> I for one don't really care about the vertual polotics of the Gatekeepers
or
> your dissagreements with them. And, I expect most other people don't
really
> care for it either. It's a personal thing between you and them. I don't
come
> to AW for politics or to take up arms against your vertual enemies. If you
> tryed to become a gate keeper and were rejected by them, I'm sorry about
> that. You are probably not the only one who has been rejected over the
> years. That's just the way it goes when looking for a job. But, you have
> been pouting and complaining about it long enough. MOVE ON!!! Give it a
> rest.

> And, PLEASE TRY to SEPERATE VERTUAL REALITY from REAL LIFE in YOUR MIND.
> There is a diference.

Wrongful denial, brainwashing, human experimentation and bullying by people
given leadership rolls in the community is a serious community issue as well
as a concern for humanity as a whole. Move on? No. I've made it my
business.

The Lady
thelady263414 at hotmail.com


>
> Imagine
>
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Mar 28, 2004, 7:19pm

Thanks.

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Mar 28, 2004, 7:20pm

Right.

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Mar 28, 2004, 7:23pm

No.

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Mar 28, 2004, 9:19pm

[View Quote] Shame, self recognition and self-interpretation allow you to get ahead much
better...

- MR

Mar 28, 2004, 10:05pm

You might want to check your spelling next time. Calling Israel Isreal is a
bit much, unless you intended it that way. ;o)

QRVnCasey o

Mar 28, 2004, 11:28pm

I'll admid that my spelling is bad. It's a word I don't spell often sorry
about that. meant no disrespect.

Imagine

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Mar 28, 2004, 11:41pm

no worries = ) lol ya ought to see his typos without spell check =P

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Mar 29, 2004, 12:02am

[View Quote] You are entitled to your opinion. : )

> Children blowing them selves up in Isreal has nothing to do with VR.

Children blowing themselves up in Israel have been brainwashed.
Some people in AW are brainwashed. See the parallel?

VR is a
> diferent kind of reality. When are you going to get it? AW is vertual
> reallity. It is not physical. The things happening in Isreal is REAL LIFE.
> It's physical. If a child blows him self up in AW it's pretend. If a child
> blows him self up in Isreal its for keeps; he dies.

I have seen statements similar to yours by other people, in gz areas and in
the newsgroup. It is an attempt to spawn discussion about and/or validate
what everyone here already knows, that AW is real life. Problem is many of
us, including some of the first citizens, wanted to keep the two kinds of
lives separate. It can be damaging to live two lives, one in VR, the other
in our local lives (I choose to not say real life anymore - local and VR are
the terms I use). Also, we all are vulnerable to laying aside the problems
in real life and taking on the ones here. For people that already have
strong independant living skills before they come to AW, it might not be so
hard. However, take someone that has been through a traumatic experience,
depressed, a child still living at home, a struggling marriage or shy
people, they are very vulnerable to trying to separate their experience here
with the one in their locality. I guess it's not much different than a
married woman or man cheating once a month on their spouse by flying to
another state to live it up for a weekend. It can also be compared to a
minister going to another state where he is not known to buy pornography.
So, if a child blows himself up in Israel, it is for keeps, he dies. If a
minister's pornography is found by his laymen, it is for keeps, he is asked
to leave the church. If a married woman or man is found cheating once a
month by their spouse on that free-for-all weekend, the spouse and
relationship is devastated. See the parallel? There is no difference in VR
truth and Local Life truth. One is no more or less important than the
other.

be physical repercussion that could end up really screwing up their physical
lives. I still don't see what parallel there is to VR. If you do those
things in RL you can't just turn off your live and move to something else
like you can turn off the computer and move on. That's the difference.<<<<<<

> I am discusted at the fact that you brought that into the news groups as
> part of your weird reasoning. And it's insulting to the memories of those
> children. No one in AW is being brainwashed. Maybe what your good friend
> meant by saying that you see what you want to see is, YOU don't see the
> whole picture, YOU only see what you want to see. Maybe he meant that
> YOU are not thinking right. Maybe he meant for you to back up and take a
> good look. You are alway saying stuff that tells every one reading it that
> you think AW IS REAL LIFE. IT IS NOT!!

I think the above paragraphs address this portion of your post as well.

> Some people do make good friends in aw. And those friendships may extend
> into the real world, but that is between friends. Other then that AW is a
> place where people come to mentaly escape from the real world for a few
> hours. It is not meant to be a replacement for real life. You seem to have
> crossed the line and you think aw is real life.

way
around or you are using AW and other avenues as mentioned above as an
escape. The two must be kept in proportion to one another, otherwise it can
be damaging. More than that, it can lead to more serious things such as
brainwashing and human experimentation.<<<

Human experimentation in AW? Ok you added a new one. What? When? Where? Who?
Why? HUH? LoL

Ok if you say so.


> I for one don't really care about the vertual polotics of the Gatekeepers
or
> your dissagreements with them. And, I expect most other people don't
really
> care for it either. It's a personal thing between you and them. I don't
come
> to AW for politics or to take up arms against your vertual enemies. If you
> tryed to become a gate keeper and were rejected by them, I'm sorry about
> that. You are probably not the only one who has been rejected over the
> years. That's just the way it goes when looking for a job. But, you have
> been pouting and complaining about it long enough. MOVE ON!!! Give it a
> rest.

> And, PLEASE TRY to SEPERATE VERTUAL REALITY from REAL LIFE in YOUR MIND.
> There is a diference.

people
given leadership rolls in the community is a serious community issue as well
as a concern for humanity as a whole. Move on? No. I've made it my
business.<<<

You sure make a lot of things your business. Can't you just mind your own
business?

Look, all your complaining and pouting won't get you that job, and it won't
change the rules they go by that lost you that job. All you will accomplish
is to alienate a whole lot of people. Wouldn't it be better to get your own
world and start your own organization? You could be the leader. You could
use it to change things about AW that you don't like. Just send your
grievances to AWI as an organization. Maybe it will change things to your
favor if you go about this in a business like manner. Instead of, bad
mouthing the people in charge of the parts of aw that you want changed. You
can't change anything by doing all this in the news groups. No one here has
authority to change anything in AW.


Imagine

Mar 29, 2004, 12:05am

Well I used spell check for my last post a minute ago and it probably still
has typos lol
I noticed after I sent it that I cut out the wrong parts also, so it will be
hard to figure out who is saying what. Man, I'm doing good today lol

Imagine

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Mar 29, 2004, 12:45am

would
> be physical repercussion that could end up really screwing up their
physical
> lives. I still don't see what parallel there is to VR. If you do those
> things in RL you can't just turn off your live and move to something else
> like you can turn off the computer and move on. That's the
difference.<<<<<<

VR life is Real Life. Brainwashing can be done in VR. The fact that typed
words can be used to coerce people of a community to do things like torment
others by offering them gratuities or gain them greater knowledge is real.
It is not separate from local life, and greatly affects the way people go
about their business and interact with others - VR and Local.

> Human experimentation in AW? Ok you added a new one. What? When? Where?
Who?
> Why? HUH? LoL

You don't sound very open minded. I will not give out further facts to you
in this post because you are not asking in a respectful way.

Cruel.

> You sure make a lot of things your business. Can't you just mind your own
> business?
>
> Look, all your complaining and pouting won't get you that job, and it
won't
> change the rules they go by that lost you that job. All you will
accomplish
> is to alienate a whole lot of people. Wouldn't it be better to get your
own
> world and start your own organization? You could be the leader. You could
> use it to change things about AW that you don't like. Just send your
> grievances to AWI as an organization. Maybe it will change things to your
> favor if you go about this in a business like manner. Instead of, bad
> mouthing the people in charge of the parts of aw that you want changed.
You
> can't change anything by doing all this in the news groups. No one here
has
> authority to change anything in AW.
>

It isn't a matter of a job I want in AW. I wouldn't take a job AW offered
to me if they asked, but I don't think I need to worry about that. It isn't
a matter of wanting to start my own organization with me being the leader.
I wouldn't be able to trust very well. I made an oath to speak up against
things that are unfair. Newsgroup is the most appropriate place for me to
do that. Sometimes I speak up at AWGZ. I try to help as much as I can at
AWGate, and speak out against wrong things as best as I know possible.
That's about the limit to my contributing in the community.



> Imagine

Mar 29, 2004, 12:50am

nobody gives a flying shit about israel, if they're that dumb to blow up
themselves then it's their own problem, hope they get nuked off the face of
earth by the arabs, not kiddin.

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Mar 29, 2004, 1:08am

The Lady is now filtered out for me, with retroactive consequences,
all her postings in my ng reader have been deleted. I am disgusted at
her attitudes and constant crusading, as if she were our saviour and
champion. I have only filtered out one person in the past. Thanks
for the idea, Strike Rapier :)

XelaG

On 28 Mar 2004 12:35:13 -0500, "strike rapier"
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>
>Do you not stop to think "Hmmm.... Perhaps im getting annoying and am
>probably filtered from most peoples email systems by now... Perhaps I should
>stop wasting my, and other peoples time"
>
>- MR
>

Mar 29, 2004, 1:13am

[View Quote] Brainwashing can be done in VR. The fact that typed
words can be used to coerce people of a community to do things like torment
others by offering them gratuities or gain them greater knowledge is real.

......so sorta what yer doing right here then eh?

You don't sound very open minded. I will not give out further facts to
you
in this post because you are not asking in a respectful way.

Cruel.

Mar 29, 2004, 2:21am

Wrong. I am very open minded. That's probably why I dont' have any problems
with people in AW. I dont' go around looking for wrongs in AW. I just live
my VR life there as peacefully as possible and help in the community by
teaching. I dont' go around trying to pick out the people who I think are
good and bad. I don't hang around and go on personal crusades when I think
something is wrong; I just go on my way and live and let live. That's the
beauty of AW. There are so many diferent people from so many diferent
countries and all have their own VR personalities and ways of doing things.
And I dont' see anything wrong with any of them. There is no right or wrong
way in AW. If you don't like what is going on in the area around you, you
can move to another area or world and make friends there. So far, I haven't
run into any problems with any world. You seem to see problems every where
cause you seem to be the kind of person who isn't happy unless you have
something to complain about and some one to point a finger at. Why can't you
just find a place of your own in Active Worlds and just live and let live.
If you let the anger and hostility you are showing go, you will be a more
happy person. Believe me, I don't think any one comes to AW to get into
politics, and I expect no one wants to listen to your rantings and finger
pointing. My mind is open enough to be able to walk away from what I dont'
like in aw so that I can live in aw without stress. You should try it. I
think you would be more happy. But, some how, I dont' think you will cause
like I said, you seem to thrive on the stress you cause your self and
because of that you need others to feel the same stress. Maybe you need to
open your mind. There are plenty of terrible things going on in the real
world right now, and I think maybe your anger and crusadeing would be more
of use to help those situations. Compared to the real world problems, AW
problems are nothing. You need to step back and take a good look. Your
crusade is NOT important to me; there are more important things to stress
about in the REAL LIFE.

Imagine


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Mar 29, 2004, 4:46am

www.kwitcherbitchin.com :)



[View Quote] > Regarding suggestive text and images, I feel it is wrong to deny a person
> something, then using suggestive text and images, try to let them know they
> will gain something better by not doing whatever they were denied. For
> instance, gatekeeper. If I were denied being a gatekeeper, then, by using
> tourists, rollplay and suggestive speech and images, people try to "train"
> me to think I'm still going to given the knowledge of a GK - that is wrong.
> It's wrong because there is no validation to the individual. It seeks to
> separate them from ones that were able to go through the process as a team.
> It seeks to destroy the community. It happens here in AW.
>
> A good friend once said to me, "You see what you want to see." (regarding
> AW) I don't agree with that. It is a form of brainwashing. If this is
> only that you see what you want to see, then, good friend, are you also
> saying that's tough for brainwashed children blowing themselves up in
> Israel?
>
> The Lady
> thelady263414 at hotmail.com
>
>
> CC: support at activeworlds.com
> peacekeeper at activeworlds.com
>
>

Mar 29, 2004, 4:51am

They even give out t-shirts!! lol ;)

[View Quote] > www.kwitcherbitchin.com :)
>
>
>
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Mar 29, 2004, 7:28am

Hahaha ... tis a REAL site ... too cute! *Thinks* about what to submit so it
goes *on a tee shirt* LOL

LNH



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Mar 29, 2004, 10:03am

If you are not interested in politics, why do you respond to these posts?

: )

AW is linked to local life. I don't know how, but it is. It links itself
someway to my work and local living. I imagine if it does to mine, it does
to others, too. I don't think it's right. People will use text and images
to say little things to let you know they know what is going on in your
local life. This has been done to me by a PK and others.

If it isn't happening to you, I'm happy for you. Don't throw cruel
accusations that I am some how less of a person and unhappy because it is
happening to me or others here. With all the hype about community that goes
on here, it should include helping to make others feel included, heard and
believed. : )

The Lady
thelady263414 at hotmail.com


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Mar 29, 2004, 10:04am

I don't understand what you are saying.

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Mar 29, 2004, 10:08am

Israel mirrors the rest of the world, somehow. Not everyone or everything
in the entire world, just some people and places. I don't like it, but it's
a fact. I'd think twice about that weyoun, what you wish or what might be
happening in your back yard is the start to war or peace elsewhere. No more
wishes of violence, please.


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Mar 29, 2004, 10:08am

I don't understand what you are saying.

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Mar 29, 2004, 10:09am

Noted.

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Mar 29, 2004, 12:24pm

Oh please listen to yourself.

Brainwashing in VR is very hard if not impossible.

And another thing, I think everyone who has any sense knows that you
don't gain some divine knowledge when you become a GK. (IMHO some GKs
don't have any knowledge at all but that's another matter.) GKs just
tell people about AW. It's not like some secret club. GKs are people who
volunteer to help the community. And I have no idea what you are going
on about with the suggestive speech, roleplay etc, but if you mean the
ads at GZ... I don't see how they can be filtered to only relevant people.

If you see an ad on TV for something that you couldn't get, is it the
maker of that ad's intention to tease you or brainwash you?

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Mar 29, 2004, 12:25pm

You suck! kthx

[View Quote] > nobody gives a flying shit about israel, if they're that dumb to blow up
> themselves then it's their own problem, hope they get nuked off the face of
> earth by the arabs, not kiddin.
>
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