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Oct 11, 2001, 7:31pm

Hmmm, I knew that would get your attention. Seeing as how everyone here
likes to point out the problems with what everyone else does and says, I
figured this the perfect place to ask anyone if they'd like to preview
AWTeen's new website.

I spent the last few weeks working on the website on and off, and I finished
it last night. Nobody I telegrammed with the preview of the site was able
to find anything wrong (broken links, bad grammar, messed up pictures, etc),
but those people weren't the most knowledgable in HTML either.

The site is located at http://www.shoemakervillage.org/test/index.html.
I'll publish it to the main server after I see if anyone finds any problems
with it. Feel free to post comments, or more likely, flames.

-Brant

Oct 11, 2001, 8:01pm

What makes it so much different then the last site?

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Oct 11, 2001, 8:12pm

I should have clarified that in the beginning. Those who didn't look
closely at the last site wouldn't have noticed that most of the links were
broken, things weren't where they were supposed to be, etc. Whereas the
last site had just 11 pages, this site has 47.

I didn't worry about the design of the pages, because that's what people who
designed the site for the past few years concentrated on - and ignored the
content. Instead, I took the existing design, modified it for Frontpage for
easy updating, and started working on content. As you can see, you can find
just about anything you need on that site (at least I hope). If you have
suggestions, let me know and I'll add more pages.

I chose today to unveil the site because AWTeen was founded on October 11,
1998. It's a fitting anniversary "present."

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Oct 11, 2001, 8:31pm

Looks pretty good! Except, the logo reads more like "AVTeen" than
"AWTeen"... Could just be me...

[View Quote] > Hmmm, I knew that would get your attention. Seeing as how everyone here
> likes to point out the problems with what everyone else does and says, I
> figured this the perfect place to ask anyone if they'd like to preview
> AWTeen's new website.
>
> I spent the last few weeks working on the website on and off, and I finished
> it last night. Nobody I telegrammed with the preview of the site was able
> to find anything wrong (broken links, bad grammar, messed up pictures, etc),
> but those people weren't the most knowledgable in HTML either.
>
> The site is located at http://www.shoemakervillage.org/test/index.html.
> I'll publish it to the main server after I see if anyone finds any problems
> with it. Feel free to post comments, or more likely, flames.
>
> -Brant
>
>
>


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Goober King
Graphics Nit-picker!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 11, 2001, 8:37pm

Just a small suggestion. I think you should put marginheight="0"
marginwidth="0" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" in the body tag to get rid of
the margins on the sides and top.

Decon

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Oct 11, 2001, 8:40pm

On the hot spots page, the Nature link goes to a list of events. :)

Decon

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Oct 11, 2001, 8:59pm

That's because they creatively made the A and the W a combined symbol. Look again with that in mind. ;)

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Oct 11, 2001, 10:50pm

I see. Nice job.

Btw, how is college up at Penn State?

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Oct 12, 2001, 12:58pm

nice! I thought the old site was quite boring, contentless and didn't seem
to get updated at all, nice to see a new and better one! one tiny downside
though: some of the pics were quite slow downloading. and here's a
suggestion for *THE* easyest and, in my opinion, best way of updating the
stuff that's meant to be dynamic: use PHP and MySQL :-)) both are free and
quite easy to learn by yourself!

KAH

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Oct 12, 2001, 4:50pm

I know that, but the fact that you have consciously change your
perception of it in order to see it means it's too subtle. Maybe if
there was less space between the "A" and the "V" it would look more like
"AW". Just a suggestion...

[View Quote] > That's because they creatively made the A and the W a combined symbol. Look again with that in mind. ;)
>
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Goober King
He's not *that* stupid...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 12, 2001, 5:46pm

When you set IE's text size to something else when you hover over links that are made bold on
that hover, your tables get a changed size, maybe having it just change to a slightly lighter
color would work alittle better :) Nice otherwise though...

[View Quote] I spent the last few weeks working on the website on and off, and I finished
it last night. Nobody I telegrammed with the preview of the site was able
to find anything wrong (broken links, bad grammar, messed up pictures, etc),
but those people weren't the most knowledgable in HTML either.

The site is located at http://www.shoemakervillage.org/test/index.html.
I'll publish it to the main server after I see if anyone finds any problems
with it. Feel free to post comments, or more likely, flames.

-Brant

Oct 12, 2001, 10:33pm

I have not checked the entire site, but it seems that the script or table coding
(at least on the home page) is not supported by Netscape 4.7 (yes, I know it
might be outdated to people who upgrade software 3-4 times a year, which I don't
- , but NS 4.7 is just one year and something old, and their best browser, so
I'd assume that I'm not the only one still using it occationally). Just made me
wonder whether you have tested the site on different browsers/versions? It
worked on Opera though...:)

Else, looks great:)


[View Quote] > Hmmm, I knew that would get your attention. Seeing as how everyone here
> likes to point out the problems with what everyone else does and says, I
> figured this the perfect place to ask anyone if they'd like to preview
> AWTeen's new website.
>
> I spent the last few weeks working on the website on and off, and I finished
> it last night. Nobody I telegrammed with the preview of the site was able
> to find anything wrong (broken links, bad grammar, messed up pictures, etc),
> but those people weren't the most knowledgable in HTML either.
>
> The site is located at http://www.shoemakervillage.org/test/index.html.
> I'll publish it to the main server after I see if anyone finds any problems
> with it. Feel free to post comments, or more likely, flames.
>
> -Brant

Oct 12, 2001, 10:45pm

I heard about netscape 4.7 not working - but other than starting from
scratch, I don't know what I can do about that.....

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Oct 13, 2001, 2:16am

NetScape 4.76 (my favourite):

Problem is that some tables work with fixed table width values
instead of using width="xx%".
The width that NetScape shows is correct, the bug is in IE,
that modifies the table width although it is given in fixed
values.

Mixing width values absolute and in % often causes a problem
because NetScape uses the absolute values and doesn't modify
the width depending on the browser window width.

Some of the table style attributes are not supported in
NetScape but it doesn't make me wonder that it's not 100%
HTML compatible :

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">

I think if the width problem is fixed the other (minor)
incompatibilities will not disturb too much, the rest looks
OK in my browser.


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Oct 13, 2001, 3:04am

Figure out what the conflict is. :) Does it use javascript in any way?
Sometimes netscape does not support certain java commands, and it most
certainly doesn't support DHTML very well.

On the other hand, AW's browser is an imbedded IE window pretty much, and it
makes sense that most people are going to view the website through Active
Worlds instead of IE or Netscape.

SW Chris

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Oct 13, 2001, 3:07am

I happen to like that IE feature/bug. :) Netscape should implement it in
6.2.

Chris

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Oct 13, 2001, 5:20am

You have both optionns, fixed width and percentage, but I think
if you specify a fixed with it is a good thing if you receive a
fixed width.

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Oct 13, 2001, 10:06am

if it's not in the official HTML standard (available on
http://www.w3c.org/MarkUp/), it shouldn't be implemented in any browser :-))
obviously MS missed that they're not the ones setting the standards in this
field...

KAH

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Oct 13, 2001, 11:21am

MS sets the standards in EVERY field, lol, whether we like it or not. I
looked at some statistics showing that only 5% of the current web users use
netsape 4.76 anyway, and besides, you can't even set AW to call a netscape
window - that was removed in build 375. Most of our audience will be
viewing the site in IE, but I'll look into how I can fix this without having
to redesign the site using a different editor.

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Oct 13, 2001, 12:02pm

The problem is only concerning the layout I think, meaning the page will not be
seen like you intended, but if all the contents are included this might not be a
major problem to the viewer. I think ppl will understand it's a scripting
problem, and either scroll horizontical or open the page in another browser. But
if certain content is not showing on NS (or any other browser) you could at
least say so in a buttom line/disclaimer or something, or ppl might miss out
some info...

I've been doing some javascripting myself lately, and several commands appears
different on either NS or IE, but there's normally a way around the problems.
The AWTeen site's problem seems to be with the table settings, but to solve it
you will need to experiment by opening the page in both browsers. Whenever I
solve such a conflict it's by experimenting and pure luck, and not because I
know how to fix it before I try...:) While testing table settings adding
border=1 will make it easier for you to see how the adjusted codes will effect
the layout.

Bille

[View Quote] > I heard about netscape 4.7 not working - but other than starting from
> scratch, I don't know what I can do about that.....
>
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Oct 13, 2001, 12:06pm

Editors are great tools, but when it comes to having control over the html tags
and layout, there's no better way than plain html coding in note-pad:)

Bille

[View Quote] > MS sets the standards in EVERY field, lol, whether we like it or not. I
> looked at some statistics showing that only 5% of the current web users use
> netsape 4.76 anyway, and besides, you can't even set AW to call a netscape
> window - that was removed in build 375. Most of our audience will be
> viewing the site in IE, but I'll look into how I can fix this without having
> to redesign the site using a different editor.
>
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Oct 13, 2001, 1:43pm

http://www.anybrowser.org/

Oct 13, 2001, 2:45pm

True, but maintaining a 50-page site with only notepad is a huge task. With
frontpage, I can modify the templates on all the pages at once to change,
say, the latest news section on the side or the links section on the top.
If I used notepad, I'd have to go into each file individually when a major
change is needed for the site.

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Oct 13, 2001, 3:45pm

Oh. perhaps I misunderstood you then.

SW Chris

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Oct 13, 2001, 6:29pm

MS set the standards for their own products, but they aren't actually
allowed to do it for other ppl's products, wether THEY like it or not...
there are non-commercial, neutral instances made up off scientists and
researchers that are setting the global *OFFICIAL* standards, and that's
just the way it should be. The reason nobody uses NS 4.7 anymore is that NS
6.1 has been available for a while now (I must say NS6 was horrible, but 6.1
really is the *DREAM* browser!)... just look at how sharp PNGs are! IE
doesn't even handle PNGs correctly!

KAH

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Oct 13, 2001, 7:01pm

Not true. As of AW 3.2, you can set AW so that it sends web links to an
external browser instead of in the AW embedded browser. (Options ->
Settings -> Web tab)

[View Quote] > MS sets the standards in EVERY field, lol, whether we like it or not. I
> looked at some statistics showing that only 5% of the current web users use
> netsape 4.76 anyway, and besides, you can't even set AW to call a netscape
> window - that was removed in build 375. Most of our audience will be
> viewing the site in IE, but I'll look into how I can fix this without having
> to redesign the site using a different editor.
>
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Goober King
Of course, that assumes you're actually *using* 3.2 :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 13, 2001, 8:11pm

Well, this is why Dreamweaver is the best, you can edit the tags in split-view :)

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[View Quote] > MS sets the standards in EVERY field, lol, whether we like it or not. I
> looked at some statistics showing that only 5% of the current web users use
> netsape 4.76 anyway, and besides, you can't even set AW to call a netscape
> window - that was removed in build 375. Most of our audience will be
> viewing the site in IE, but I'll look into how I can fix this without having
> to redesign the site using a different editor.
>
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