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Sep 18, 2002, 6:05am

Everyone with Heartfall Productions wishes MrBruce and the builders of A!!CT
the best of luck. To clarify a matter of costs. The world A!!CT was well
notified many months ago of the renewal fees based on their P-90 size, open
build status, user limit amounts and amount of support services required them as
a public build world. Pricing was fairly based on the services provided. If you
look in comparison the cost of a P-90 world license of 30 users which gives you
simply "AIR" , We the company providing the Sun Server equipment, 24 hour , 7
day per week support, backups, 4 world objects yards, 40,000 + objects to use,
High bandwidth, applications processing and much more.... We charge relatively
very little compared to the AW "AIR" fees. The information posted by MrBruce
here is a misunderstanding on his part. A!!CT world is not a commercial world
therefore comparison to commercial world pricing is not valid. MrBruce operates
a "Public Open Build" world. The services of http://worldhosting.heartfall.com
are provided for "private" worlds which is what MrBruce had signed up as.
Servicing a public world is not, nor ever been equal to that of a private
world. Our world owners love the fact that they can comfortably browse through
the four world objects world free of GZ like chatter. It is that personal
service and upper quality they come to us for. Let us all remember that during
the year A!!CT was hosted with us there was a 99.9% uptime and 100% data
security. The parent company, AW, itself has lost data in their large public
worlds in the past. That was something A!!CT never needed fear of while on our
equipment.

Again, we wish all the people of A!!CT the best... We know that many have
enjoyed the time they had using our services.

Peace health & healing....
Filmkr, InSaNiTy & the rest of the Heartfall Family...






[View Quote] > Hello to all, I feel it best to cross post this announcment so everyone sees
> it.
> As of September 17th 2002, MrBruce and his world A!!CT will stop using world
> hosting and object path services from Heartfall.
> This was a concideration back in March and was thought about since then.
> MrBruce considered the building community in this discission and a public
> vote was taken lasting 4 days. the vote was regarding keeping the services
> of Heartfall or dropping them and losing all the builds in A!!CT world.
> The voting results were as follows. Out of a total of 62 votes 38 said get
> rid of Heartfall and find a better alternative. 24 said keep Heartfall.
> Therefore the community feels it is best to lose all the builds and start
> fresh!
> My major reasons for this dicision is based on the facts that I feel I was
> being over charged for services. Being taken advantage of, based on the
> facts that without their path my builders builds will be lost. Being
> restricted from running my world the way I want to.
> But the latest one being when a hoster has a website that lists prices and
> in the price it states (COMMERCIAL WORLDS 32 user) $400.00 prepay and I am
> sent a renewal email stating $575.00 a year! And I am told this is for
> services (that anyone expects to come with their services at no extra fee).
> Also KeithB and myself upgraded A!!CT from a P-50 to a P-90 in March 2002,
> Heartfall charged us a total of $250.00 saying it was for the next six
> months, if my math serves me correct $250.00 for six months equals $500.00
> for 12, not $575.00!
> So as the contract ends...so does my worlds association with Heartfall.com.
> A!!CT world which was nominated for a CY this year will probably be
> disqualified because someone has to pinch every penny they can to stay in
> business and try to take out the little guy!
> A!!CT world will close as of September 17th 2002, it will remain off line
> until I place it on another server, most likely AW.coms server wich is
> $199.00 a Year for any size world, no rules, no one telling you how to use
> what is rightfully yours. My telephone campany does not pick and chose for
> me who is allowed to use my phone. I do not expect a webmaster telling me
> how to use what I bought and paid for either!
> I do not have to fear threats any longer that a person hosting my bought and
> paid for world and services is going to pull the plug on me because they do
> not like someone, or adding ejections to my ejections list without my
> permission!
> Amivaliant owner of iCandy world was right, I only held back the truth for
> fear of the lose of my builders builds in A!!CT world.
> Now it does not matter, I can not be accused of slandering the webmaster, or
> worry about threats of pulling the plug on my services! I speak the untold
> truth for once and I did warn Heartfall that this day was coming.
> I often hear bad things said about People at AW.com, I can honestly say that
> people like Bill, Tom and Noelle have been the most helpful generous people
> I have ever met!
> Heartfall really did nothing speacial other than what should have been part
> of the normal services. It was Heartfalls problems that they are over
> paranoid over being hacked and had to do any special things to avoid this.
> But my world and I got the blame so price increases could be justifyable.
> WRONG!
> Heartfall offered no discounts for the publicity they received for my using
> their services. Instead they blamed everything bad on my world and I and
> through that in my face instead of offering some kind of discount.
> I was offered to buy 4 cobra helicopters which were oddly already on the
> avatars list. I bought a skybox for $30.00 which oddly works in anyworld on
> the path! And now without the path its vertually worthless.
> Should I go on?
> No I won't bother. Its time to move on. Besides A!!CT world needs a
> change..AWTeen has pretty much made A!!CT a deserted world.
> My Many appoligies to those who will lose their builds, because without
> Heartfall's path, 47% of my worlds builds will be nothing but triangles! so
> its not worth using a Prop-dump!
> I will ramdonly bot copy builds and send people the files or move them
> somewhere else, but there is no guarentees they will load!
> As this post hits the web..I am sure I will get many telegrams from
> InSaNiTy. Too late the damage is done! A dissatisfyed customer never has
> anything good to say about a bad business and should not be expected!
> Enough said!
> MrBruce and the A!!CT world community.
> A1CTWorld at aol.com

Sep 19, 2002, 5:50am

In case you could not read Goob, I signed the post... There are more people
involved in Heartfall than Myself and I only posted in this cit name
because I have let other cits expire. Keeping several alive as it is for
our customers gratis use. But I figured that a few of you would feel need
to flame useless remarks.

Filmkr + InSaNiTy
http://worldhosting.heartfall.com

Signed and up front as always *S* 6 years Reliability.


[View Quote] > Geez, Insanity! Just pick a name and stick with it, will ya?! Trying to
> make people think that there's more than one person involved with
> Heartfall doesn't exactly bode well for your credibility...
>
[View Quote]

Sep 18, 2002, 6:23am

In clarification... MrBruce is mistaken. Heartfall has never prohibited anyone
from earning any legitimate incomes. In Fact, We have provided extra incomes for
Users around the globe. Our only objection with A!!CT and money was when we
noticed signs at GZ offering world hosting based on a PC from Bruce's home for
cheap and unrealistic fees. We stated to him that to advertise other services
while giving the impression that A!!CT was an example of those products and
services offered was not proper... We had always known that Bruce accepts money
from other users to pay for the world fees and hosting. He has had donation
requests up at his GZ for as long as we can remember and he has even had other
people pay the bills at times. We are sorry that Bruce is under such
misunderstandings. We had even offered him a broken down pay plan to spread his
costs over time with zero interest or rate increase. Perhaps he is upset that
things built up beyond budget... I never myself saw potential to compete with
AW's generously provided for free build worlds Like AW, AWTeen, WildAW etc.
but felt he at least was trying to have fun and help some tourists. Our whole
goal is to help people enjoy their VR time better with new innovations and
creative splendors to fulfill their fantasy building dreams.

We wish Bruce the best...

Peace, health & healing...

Filmkr, InSaNiTy & the Heartfall Family



[View Quote] > This is a reminder that there is less than two days left till A!!CT world
> closes. It will restart, but be closed to the public until several tests are
> conducted.
> We will try using the origional prop-dump to see how bad things look using a
> new path. If we feel the clean up is too much trouble(removing the
> non-rendering objects) we will reset A!!CT world and start over.
> The roads leaving GZ will be better aligned with 0N 0E 0S 0W as with before
> when they were origionally off center. It was never foreseen that A!!CT
> would ever be bigger than a P-10 world when GZ was origionally set up, but
> now that it is a P-100 it makes better sense to have things a little bit
> neater.
> MrBruce said recently "I am offically announcing that as owner of A!!CT
> world, I will chose the best options for all. keep in mind A!!CT is
> privately owned and not a public build world owned by Activeworlds. Most
> private world owners do not allow public building space in their worlds and
> no income is generated from the exsistance of A!!CT World".
> Besides while A!!CT was hosted by World_hosting at Heartfall.com we were NOT
> allowed to do anything to help raise money to keep A!!CT going, because
> Heartfall claimed we were using their services to make money! Yet here
> Heartfall uses AW's services to make money, this never made sense to me and
> never will!
> With Heartfall gone, now maybe we can do more to help generate some sort of
> income to keep the costs of running A!!CT in the GREEN!
> Keep in mind that no matter what, it does cost money to keep A!!CT world
> running!
> We will accept community donations, for a world that is provided free of
> charge to all-donations can be sent using Paypal-MrBruce's account name is
> MrBruce406969 at aol.com those who help will receive special public
> recognition!
> MrBruce's name has been used by permission in this post.
> Many thanks from the A!!CT building community.

Sep 18, 2002, 6:05am

Everyone with Heartfall Productions wishes MrBruce and the builders of A!!CT
the best of luck. To clarify a matter of costs. The world A!!CT was well
notified many months ago of the renewal fees based on their P-90 size, open
build status, user limit amounts and amount of support services required them as
a public build world. Pricing was fairly based on the services provided. If you
look in comparison the cost of a P-90 world license of 30 users which gives you
simply "AIR" , We the company providing the Sun Server equipment, 24 hour , 7
day per week support, backups, 4 world objects yards, 40,000 + objects to use,
High bandwidth, applications processing and much more.... We charge relatively
very little compared to the AW "AIR" fees. The information posted by MrBruce
here is a misunderstanding on his part. A!!CT world is not a commercial world
therefore comparison to commercial world pricing is not valid. MrBruce operates
a "Public Open Build" world. The services of http://worldhosting.heartfall.com
are provided for "private" worlds which is what MrBruce had signed up as.
Servicing a public world is not, nor ever been equal to that of a private
world. Our world owners love the fact that they can comfortably browse through
the four world objects world free of GZ like chatter. It is that personal
service and upper quality they come to us for. Let us all remember that during
the year A!!CT was hosted with us there was a 99.9% uptime and 100% data
security. The parent company, AW, itself has lost data in their large public
worlds in the past. That was something A!!CT never needed fear of while on our
equipment.

Again, we wish all the people of A!!CT the best... We know that many have
enjoyed the time they had using our services.

Peace health & healing....
Filmkr, InSaNiTy & the rest of the Heartfall Family...






[View Quote] > Hello to all, I feel it best to cross post this announcment so everyone sees
> it.
> As of September 17th 2002, MrBruce and his world A!!CT will stop using world
> hosting and object path services from Heartfall.
> This was a concideration back in March and was thought about since then.
> MrBruce considered the building community in this discission and a public
> vote was taken lasting 4 days. the vote was regarding keeping the services
> of Heartfall or dropping them and losing all the builds in A!!CT world.
> The voting results were as follows. Out of a total of 62 votes 38 said get
> rid of Heartfall and find a better alternative. 24 said keep Heartfall.
> Therefore the community feels it is best to lose all the builds and start
> fresh!
> My major reasons for this dicision is based on the facts that I feel I was
> being over charged for services. Being taken advantage of, based on the
> facts that without their path my builders builds will be lost. Being
> restricted from running my world the way I want to.
> But the latest one being when a hoster has a website that lists prices and
> in the price it states (COMMERCIAL WORLDS 32 user) $400.00 prepay and I am
> sent a renewal email stating $575.00 a year! And I am told this is for
> services (that anyone expects to come with their services at no extra fee).
> Also KeithB and myself upgraded A!!CT from a P-50 to a P-90 in March 2002,
> Heartfall charged us a total of $250.00 saying it was for the next six
> months, if my math serves me correct $250.00 for six months equals $500.00
> for 12, not $575.00!
> So as the contract ends...so does my worlds association with Heartfall.com.
> A!!CT world which was nominated for a CY this year will probably be
> disqualified because someone has to pinch every penny they can to stay in
> business and try to take out the little guy!
> A!!CT world will close as of September 17th 2002, it will remain off line
> until I place it on another server, most likely AW.coms server wich is
> $199.00 a Year for any size world, no rules, no one telling you how to use
> what is rightfully yours. My telephone campany does not pick and chose for
> me who is allowed to use my phone. I do not expect a webmaster telling me
> how to use what I bought and paid for either!
> I do not have to fear threats any longer that a person hosting my bought and
> paid for world and services is going to pull the plug on me because they do
> not like someone, or adding ejections to my ejections list without my
> permission!
> Amivaliant owner of iCandy world was right, I only held back the truth for
> fear of the lose of my builders builds in A!!CT world.
> Now it does not matter, I can not be accused of slandering the webmaster, or
> worry about threats of pulling the plug on my services! I speak the untold
> truth for once and I did warn Heartfall that this day was coming.
> I often hear bad things said about People at AW.com, I can honestly say that
> people like Bill, Tom and Noelle have been the most helpful generous people
> I have ever met!
> Heartfall really did nothing speacial other than what should have been part
> of the normal services. It was Heartfalls problems that they are over
> paranoid over being hacked and had to do any special things to avoid this.
> But my world and I got the blame so price increases could be justifyable.
> WRONG!
> Heartfall offered no discounts for the publicity they received for my using
> their services. Instead they blamed everything bad on my world and I and
> through that in my face instead of offering some kind of discount.
> I was offered to buy 4 cobra helicopters which were oddly already on the
> avatars list. I bought a skybox for $30.00 which oddly works in anyworld on
> the path! And now without the path its vertually worthless.
> Should I go on?
> No I won't bother. Its time to move on. Besides A!!CT world needs a
> change..AWTeen has pretty much made A!!CT a deserted world.
> My Many appoligies to those who will lose their builds, because without
> Heartfall's path, 47% of my worlds builds will be nothing but triangles! so
> its not worth using a Prop-dump!
> I will ramdonly bot copy builds and send people the files or move them
> somewhere else, but there is no guarentees they will load!
> As this post hits the web..I am sure I will get many telegrams from
> InSaNiTy. Too late the damage is done! A dissatisfyed customer never has
> anything good to say about a bad business and should not be expected!
> Enough said!
> MrBruce and the A!!CT world community.
> A1CTWorld at aol.com

Sep 19, 2002, 5:50am

In case you could not read Goob, I signed the post... There are more people
involved in Heartfall than Myself and I only posted in this cit name
because I have let other cits expire. Keeping several alive as it is for
our customers gratis use. But I figured that a few of you would feel need
to flame useless remarks.

Filmkr + InSaNiTy
http://worldhosting.heartfall.com

Signed and up front as always *S* 6 years Reliability.


[View Quote] > Geez, Insanity! Just pick a name and stick with it, will ya?! Trying to
> make people think that there's more than one person involved with
> Heartfall doesn't exactly bode well for your credibility...
>
[View Quote]

Sep 29, 2002, 8:30pm

Johnny B, You are a disgusting lying gossip. You berate anyone who posts a
truth that does not go along with your hate crime mentality of seeing that your
lying gossip succeeds in hurting the honest business of Heartfall. You hurt the
hundreds of users of Heartfall with your lies. You hurt the many new users by
feeding them with lies and taking them away from one of the safest and most
honest service companies they could ever choose.

Before you fail to read further and post more lies to users... let me make
notice that "HOST" is not a hidden name whatsoever. "HOST" is a dormant
citizen account owned by Heartfall Productions. I use it simply because I have
allowed others to expire. So there is no confusion brought onto users by your
flames... Heartfall Productions is a company, owned by the citizen names
InSaNiTy, Filmkr and HOST. Heartfall's owner has the recognition of society in
real life as well as many awards in virtual reality. Filmkr has been a special
guest speaker of the CY Awards. InSaNiTy has been winner of several CY Awards as
well as Several AVVY Awards. No one at Heartfall will every lead you to believe
anything that is not factual. If you would like to read about Heartfall's owner
here are a few links. http://www.heartfall.com/eqrelief/
http://www.heartfall.com/govlet/govlet.html http://www.childscry.org There
is also a new fellowship being offered to myself as well now. Fellowships are
hardly given out at random. As for your attempts to mislead users by saying
InSaNiTy speaks in third person... I do not... Heartfall is a company comprised
of many artists. I do not take credit for their work. I am a part of a very
large artistic community of Film Makers and I give credit where credit is
deserved. Our purchasers realize the artists involved in their new creations.
So when I speak.. "We at Heartfall Productions" well it's simply that... "WE"
My partners, my associates, my engineers... They do not always wish to be named.
Many people just like to be creative. naming them may make them targets for
hateful people like yourself.

Please refrain from lying to the readers any further Johnny b.

You Johnny B, attack on a regular basis. You have 1. Never met the owner of
Heartfall. 2. You have never done business with Heartfall 3. You have nothing
but gossip ands hear sea as your basis. Please put your jealousies aside and
quit attacking good people.

Why not speak the truth? Heartfall Productions is owned by a man who has
offered considerable charity to the people of the real world and has been
honored by governors for generous work.

Why not mention how http://worldhosting.heartfall.com hosts hundreds of users
throughout many universes and galaxies? How Heartfall Productions services
their customers with 7 day per week support including phone support? AW does not
even offer that. AW places it out to volunteers to reply to support mail.
Heartfall answers every customer's mail with personal, detailed information, day
or night.

Why not mention how Heartfall is the company that began offering safe reliable
hosting 6 years ago and brought LOWER prices as a result so that everyone could
benefit from realistic pricing? At the time Heartfall began hosting, some people
were attempting to charge $600 per year to host a world. We entered the arena to
stop that gouging practice. We even offer more realistic and affordable prices
than AW for hosting. We are not the cheapest... We are the most, for a very
affordable, honest price.

Why don't you mention how hundreds of users benefit from 6 years of hard work
assembling a great objects path that leads to fantastic unique world builds?
After all... many of our users have builds that are nominated for CY AWards for
their work.

Why not mention how happy these users are? Why must you berate everyone that
posts here in a positive fashion? You have attacked PK's who host with us and
have posted positive comments. You berate anyone who does not fuel your lies...

The TRUTH is... you have been trying to flame for a year now. You make huge
comments about rip offs. NO ONE has ever been ripped off ever by us. You twist
your lies around based on a person who was ejected for 5 minutes time. Then you
took a new user and filled their head with so much BS, you talked them into
canceling what they had paid for. You call that being ripped off when in FACT,
YOU RIPPED THEM OFF? You ripped them off by feeding them full of lies and
having them loose one of the best things that happened to them. The fact is that
the same user is nominated for a CY based on the custom items like sculpted
ground, custom sky, custom avatars that they used to create their world, which
becomes worthy of being nominated!

Johnny B... the history here in the newsgroup shows how you attack any chance
you get. You feed lies... Be HONEST!!!!!... SHUT YOUR MOUTH unless you have
actually been a part of something and know an actual FACT. You are hurting
users that may believe your BS is real. You do that so they can get on your pc
and have you host them at home. Then they realize how screwed they are and it's
too late most times. SAD.

When you do something in real life and have society honor you, like they have me
in my life... please mention it. Until then... please keep your trash talk out
of here.

Facts are these ... Heartfall World Hosting is a very honest, very reliable,
very friendly company which hosts many of AW's Gate Keepers, PK's, and a great
number of world owners... many veterans of AW as well as many new, very happy
world owners. We also service a large number of educational institutions
throughout the world as well as providing services and products for government
grant projects. Although we try to help everyone we can... there sadly enough,
are times when we cannot satisfy everyone... We have had three unhappy people in
out 6 years of services here. We wish that were not so... but we simply can't
help those who have been hurt by the likes of gossips feeding them bs. We have
provided services to thousands of very happy users in that time... therefore we
feel that the honest facts prove that we are doing all we can to make people's
lives and enjoyment in VR more fun. That is why we are here.. so people can have
fun... *S*

Why is it that there is scum allowed to chime in with gossip here for the sole
purpose of hate crimes and attacks against users? Flagg said he would not allow
attacks to be made in here. Why has he ignored the mob of lies and hate Johnny b
leads? Does the newsgroup need to be wiped out by law? It is coming close
to that seeing how hate is allowed... hate crimes are illegal... harboring,
promoting, facilitating hate are therefore also very illegal. Since Johnny b is
speaking solely on gossip... the motive of his personal hate cannot be argued.

If anyone would like the truth... you are welcome to visit with myself, phone
our company offices, write us via U.S. Mail. We are always here to help...

Take care,

Peace, health & healing...

InSaNiTy, Filmkr and HOST
of
Heartfall World Hosting Services
InSaNiTy's Avatars Creations
Heartfall Productions
www.heartfall.com



[View Quote] > Well, I tell ya Carolann, it wasnt the fact that King Bluemax posted his
> experiences. It's the way he did it.... he sits there and berates Mr.Bruce
> for his postings (which, if you read, you'd notice I'd made, as well as
> others have, comments alluding to the necessity of the long ass posts) yet
> he goes ahead and does the exact same thing, beating up on Mr. Bruce,
> insulting the guy and so on..... Now, I couldn't care less, as I don't know
> ANY of the involved parties. It's when you slam someone here for doing
> something, yet you're JUST as guilty of doing the exact same things, that
> annoys me... Hypocracy isn't very becoming....
>
> He very well could have exhibited some of the maturity he seems to show such
> disdain for others lacking and just posted the fact that he has had good
> experiences with heartfall and left it at that. Yet, he felt a need to
> insult the guy in the same friggen post..... sheesh
>
> Make no bones about it, I along with MANY others here do not like
> Insanity..... He's ripped off friends of mine and I'll make no excuses for
> my animosities. I as well as You, King Bluemax or anyone else has a right
> to have their opinions and post the same here.... But, if you're going to
> be a hypocrite, spare the rest of us your thoughts is my point..... nobody
> takes someone serious who's full of it..... I'm sure you'd agree
>
> And I seriously disagree with your "Lynch mob mentality" statement.......
> The way I see it, if you screw people, you DESERVE to have it made a point
> of...
> Cant take the heat, get outta the kitchen.... Guess Insanity learned that
> the hard way.......
> I won't stand Idly by and see other unsuspecting people get taken....
>
> JB
>
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Sep 18, 2002, 6:23am

In clarification... MrBruce is mistaken. Heartfall has never prohibited anyone
from earning any legitimate incomes. In Fact, We have provided extra incomes for
Users around the globe. Our only objection with A!!CT and money was when we
noticed signs at GZ offering world hosting based on a PC from Bruce's home for
cheap and unrealistic fees. We stated to him that to advertise other services
while giving the impression that A!!CT was an example of those products and
services offered was not proper... We had always known that Bruce accepts money
from other users to pay for the world fees and hosting. He has had donation
requests up at his GZ for as long as we can remember and he has even had other
people pay the bills at times. We are sorry that Bruce is under such
misunderstandings. We had even offered him a broken down pay plan to spread his
costs over time with zero interest or rate increase. Perhaps he is upset that
things built up beyond budget... I never myself saw potential to compete with
AW's generously provided for free build worlds Like AW, AWTeen, WildAW etc.
but felt he at least was trying to have fun and help some tourists. Our whole
goal is to help people enjoy their VR time better with new innovations and
creative splendors to fulfill their fantasy building dreams.

We wish Bruce the best...

Peace, health & healing...

Filmkr, InSaNiTy & the Heartfall Family



[View Quote] > This is a reminder that there is less than two days left till A!!CT world
> closes. It will restart, but be closed to the public until several tests are
> conducted.
> We will try using the origional prop-dump to see how bad things look using a
> new path. If we feel the clean up is too much trouble(removing the
> non-rendering objects) we will reset A!!CT world and start over.
> The roads leaving GZ will be better aligned with 0N 0E 0S 0W as with before
> when they were origionally off center. It was never foreseen that A!!CT
> would ever be bigger than a P-10 world when GZ was origionally set up, but
> now that it is a P-100 it makes better sense to have things a little bit
> neater.
> MrBruce said recently "I am offically announcing that as owner of A!!CT
> world, I will chose the best options for all. keep in mind A!!CT is
> privately owned and not a public build world owned by Activeworlds. Most
> private world owners do not allow public building space in their worlds and
> no income is generated from the exsistance of A!!CT World".
> Besides while A!!CT was hosted by World_hosting at Heartfall.com we were NOT
> allowed to do anything to help raise money to keep A!!CT going, because
> Heartfall claimed we were using their services to make money! Yet here
> Heartfall uses AW's services to make money, this never made sense to me and
> never will!
> With Heartfall gone, now maybe we can do more to help generate some sort of
> income to keep the costs of running A!!CT in the GREEN!
> Keep in mind that no matter what, it does cost money to keep A!!CT world
> running!
> We will accept community donations, for a world that is provided free of
> charge to all-donations can be sent using Paypal-MrBruce's account name is
> MrBruce406969 at aol.com those who help will receive special public
> recognition!
> MrBruce's name has been used by permission in this post.
> Many thanks from the A!!CT building community.

Sep 18, 2002, 6:31am

My question is WHY are there changes being made before the event? WHY is the
event not postponed to get back to basics of the rules? The RULES were ALL
CLEAR and ALL Posted last spring. The SELECTION Committee tallied the
nominations... and it was with the persons applying those nominations and not
complying with the 5 noms per category rule posted many months ago... The CY
AWARDS have a long tradition... all was posted clearly... WHAT is the problem
with following the RULES? WHY are they being changed to fit outcries? That is
absurd... DELAY is understandable and respectable... To change rules when
there are many who thought their votes counted weeks ago when posted on the web
is absurd! Do the honorable thing and either close down for now or delay till
proper selection tally and vote site is operational... Please don't throw this
around for a "hey what's your idea today" type of mayhem mockery. The CY's
have meant something to many and it would be a shame to see them drown in
chaos.


[View Quote] > This should make all of you happy that a suggestion Only to the committee
> was accepted as a vote to cancel the Cy Award and lead to more interesting
> things.
> What I suggested to the executive committee should be held private within
> the public until all agreed.
> What i'm understanding is an email I sent to Mountain Myst, our
> Liaison,,,that was only a suggestion with a detailed outline of what should
> happen if an only if...and responses flowed in...
> well the story tells itself....we tried.
> I did work hard for you all and was an honor to do so. Cyberwitch worked
> day and night. It is over.
> Elect for the Executives you want. This is your choice. I suggested a vote
> for the public be held.
> This is your choice.
> Elect your peer of your choice and please do let us know who is who.
> I can't wait for y'all to take over.
> Weebo

Dec 19, 2002, 2:55am

Does not matter what it "sounds like", the FACT is that it was NOT sarcastic
and by his own post "maybe if more people "wouldn't" post if they hadn't
anything nice to say," He should have kept his "Not Nice" opinion to himself
because that's all it was ... his opinion... far warped out of shape from the
actual facts and post by AnarkissD. Bottom line is, his post was not necessary.
His reply to the matter was not even an apology, it was an excuse were no
excuses were possible. I personally had thought that the newsgroups were
cleaning up until I saw him bashing again. Why can't the newsgroups be kept
clean:? It's the Holiday Season... Is it too much to ask for some Good Will
and Peace... I sure hope not.

Peace, Health, Healing and Happy Holidays to ALL

InSaNiTy



[View Quote] > Lay off of johnny guys. It does sound sarcastic, even though it really
> isn't.
>
> Chris
>
[View Quote]

Dec 19, 2002, 3:08am

I am not attacking Bowen. Johnny B attacked Anarkissed for no valid reason then
went on to post an excuse saying posts like his should never be made... do you
not see that Irony? Does Anarkissed not have the right to post here in Peace
without being bashed by him? I would just like to know why the newsgroups are
not being cleaned up and the bashing put to a halt so good users can post their
messages without reprisals from people who read them wrongly or have "opinions"

[View Quote] >
> Stop it. Don't attack if you want there to be good will and such.
>
> --Bowen--
> I'm Batman...

Dec 16, 2002, 9:39pm

Happy Holidays to ALL *S* This is being added as a second post in the
Community Newsgroup to insure we do not leave anyone out who may not
read worldbuilders.

Our Free Candy Cane object sets are available for download in two
locations.
Avatars World in AW and on the web at
http://www.heartfall.com/models/hfmodels-holiday.htm along with new
custom holiday objects such as the Trumpeting Angels and New 3D
Christmas Tree which available for purchase. New items coming soon as
well so bookmark and check back soon.
Candy Canes come in 2 Different Colors and 5 different sizes each.

Everyone at Heartfall Productions hopes that you all have a Wonderful,
Safe & Peace Filled Holiday Season *S* and we hope that you enjoy the
Candy Canes

Remember... if you give a gift of Peace this season... you give a gift
which comforts all...

InSaNiTy

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