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Jul 30, 2006, 10:52am

Has AWI ever donated a dime to any of the reunions? Whilst attending did any
of the AWI peeps pay for their own attendance? Or did they eat on the
attendees dime? (not being critical, I just don't know since I never
attended one before)


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Jul 27, 2006, 12:22pm

With the advent of 4.1 several peeps in the community have gotten banned,
with no proper explanation from the powers that be. Only a copy of the TOS
being emailed back to them to "justify" the banning. Just for posting this
I'm probably gonna be next but I think it's time this situation is properly
addressed. Thoughts anybody?

Jul 27, 2006, 1:55pm

Activeworlds entirely. I guess they're "weeding out the undesirables".

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Jul 27, 2006, 1:57pm

wow.. and for even mentioning those two venues at the AW gate they got a bot
that sends you to the "blue room"!
*sighs



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Jul 27, 2006, 2:16pm

Definitely odd considering they probably need all the members they can get.
Biting the hand that feeds you is not a good idea.




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Jul 27, 2006, 2:49pm

Some folk aren't really giving them grief. Some were banned simply for
putting in a complaint.
If you were to purchase a hardware component for say a computer.. or even a
toaster that was malfunctioning wouldn't you expect a lil customer service,
rather than the blatant slap in the face many folks recieved?


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Jul 27, 2006, 3:43pm

hmm.. I was under the impression I was being civil.. How was this thread
whiny or insulting? I believe making a valid point on a recent series of
occurances is being constructive, and I honestly feel my wording and
phrasing has been civil. How is starting a thread over people being unfairly
banned with no explanation "starting a riot"? Isn't making folks aware of
an undesirable situation is the first step in correcting it?



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Jul 27, 2006, 4:20pm

I know of 3 peeps that got banned.. one of them was a kind girl that never
bothered anybody. Another individual simply tried to get answers to a
technical question. How is that inciting anything other than getting a
simple answer about the issue they were attempting to deal with?

I finally found the TOS, by trying to start a re install of AW.. It may say
"they do not guarantee any access or upgrades, but this hardly justifies
being kicked off of AW entirely for making an inquiry about it.


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Jul 27, 2006, 7:24pm

The three I previously mentioned are only a handful of folks banned after
4.1. Furthermore discouraging clients from asking why or even what can be
done to fix a problem with either the software OR unfair policies seems to
be many corporations methods of simply not dealing with the problem. The
inherent problem however doesn't go away.. and I believe has led to the
steady exodus from this 3d venue to others. If everyone else is content to
watch a community dwindle to extinction rather than ask the hard questions
and try to come up with better solutions, then perhaps the end predicted by
many is overdue.


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Jul 27, 2006, 7:42pm

Actually what gets flashed past you real quick during an install that many
folks just automatically hit "next" to is the TOS. In a recent thread that
was deleted Strike Rapier was astute to point out to me that what is said on
a website and what you "click" are oftentimes two different things.

Heres the real TOS: BY CLICKING ON THE "NEXT" BUTTON, YOU ARE CONSENTING TO
BE BOUND BY AND ARE
BECOMING A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS
OF THIS AGREEMENT, CLICK THE "CANCEL" BUTTON AND THE INSTALLATION PROCESS
WILL NOT CONTINUE. IF THESE TERMS ARE CONSIDERED AN OFFER, ACCEPTANCE IS
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Jul 27, 2006, 8:34pm

So the folks that got banned for asking for Linux support were lying? Also I
don't see where I'm griefing anyone. I'm bringing onto the forum an issue
that should be considered and addressed, not cast aside as inconsequential.


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Jul 27, 2006, 9:10pm

Atleast 2 peeps were banned that were trying to sort out the Linux problem

Jul 28, 2006, 10:55pm

That's the problem. Too few people care. This thread topic I mean...
Personally I don't indulge in SL..too much lag and too many "boreans" over
there. But because of the lack of caring and consideration both exhibited in
this thread and by AW in general perhaps the not caring part is what may
make AW go the way of the dinosaur.


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Jul 31, 2006, 9:25am

My question tho is, why all of a sudden with the advent of 4.1 did so many
people get banned? Why so many? Is AW really trying so very hard to shoot
themselves in the foot this way?


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Jul 31, 2006, 11:37am

Broken trust is exactly what I'm talking about with this thread. Problem is
it looks like it's gonna get worse before it gets better... if it gets
better at all. Hard to believe they've done this just so they can try to
revamp things for a new release that has more bugs in it than a no tell
motel in newjersey.


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Aug 3, 2006, 1:16am

Sorry not to reply earlier, but Insanity, Queen Rett and several others have
been banned.. along with the folks already mentioned in this thread. Sorry I
couldn't answer earlier.. I'm currently juggling my fathers ailing health as
he was diagnosed terminal yesterday. I'll try to answer more completely
later... just can't deal with things just now.

Aug 1, 2006, 10:59pm

I know an impy.. she's given me snarky tgrams in the recent past so I put
her on iggy. Her name is impy kn.

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