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Jul 28, 2004, 11:17pm

Almost every major MMORPG, or other online entertainment experience allow
for cards which contain given amounts of time, for X dollars, so why does AW
not have such items? I believe along with an aw boxed edition for stores, aw
should have cards for citizenships,worlds, or other things, so from a store
I could buy bots, and other things :)

Jul 29, 2004, 12:40am

[View Quote] It does... its called your credit card...

> I believe along with an aw boxed edition for stores.

You would have a hard job financially justifying a CD for just a 10 mb, and
thats if you include the latest browser, world server for Windows and Linux,
and a universe server! Of course if AWI were to produce a CD with all the
major object paths (except the obvious ones like AWTeen, NewAW etc) that
could potentially credit it more... Of course really its all a matter of
economies of scale... if Rick and JP had $20,000...

http://www.alpha-duplication.com/ (w00t UK company as well - That helped
with the pricing!)

£660 per 2000 likely to drop drastically as EoS increases further into the
10s of Thousands... but taking that...

If you wanted 50,000 CD's printed you can expect to get them from about 20p
each, so about £10,000 for 50,000 CD's pressed containing AW Software,
perhaps offline version of help guide in Windows Help chw file. If you
distribute this worldwide you are looking at roughly another £5,000 - £1000
and bribes to places like PCWorld to display the titles in a forefront
location.

Now taking a rough guess at how many users would register, lets consider
about 15% to 20% (taking into account "Buying In" to a online system is
usually more attractive than something you just downloaded) you can be
looking at upto £400,000 in citizenship registrations first year with that
dropping to about £250,000 after the first 2 years some people get bored and
decide not to renew anymore.

Hmmm... saying that it does look quite good after all.. probably missing
some charge in somewhere along the lines that will probably add an extra
£5000 - £10,000 but it looks pretty sturdy...

Of course if AW suddenly got 50,000 new users arriving the uniserver would
be about 15,000 users away from crashing and AW would have to consider
specialist universes for say RPG worlds... im sure we wont run out of
citizen numbers any time in the next 150 years so perhaps the need for a
multiverse browser which cant be THAT hard to acomplish considering im
talking about spending 10's of thousands...

Hmmm... for being a hard job I do believe I just did it pretty well... JP
probably needs to expand on it a bit :O - The idea is not to make users pay
for your software if you are trying to get them to buy in some other way,
the idea is to get your software to as many people as possible, then charge
em for it later.... Personally considering AW doesnt do any marketing, I
think its pretty laughable that people should try and SELL AW CD's straight
off (Certain people will know who im taking a stab at here...) ...Oh, better
convert to dollars as well.

One final thing on the matter... dont go posting through peoples doors.. all
the AOL ones we recieved (all 25 or so between my dads and my house) ended
up as cannon fodder for the Beretta... damned cheap replacement for clay
pidgeons.

PS: Rick / JP If you do this now.. I expect:
a) a lifetime citizenship
b) AWLD Rights
c) To be your AWInc's international marketing director and paid ub3rcash
accordingly!

> aw
> should have cards for citizenships,worlds, or other things, so from a
store
> I could buy bots

Again... the financial difficulties are core with this one... The
distribution of pieces of plastic with numbers on you plug into a website
would cost a fortune, AWI doesnt really have the budget or customer base of
say Nokia and their Top-Up-Cards for Pay As You Go mobile phones (which I
presume is where you got your ideas from)... that.. and by the time they've
walked into a shop and paid £60, probably with their debit / credit cards,
they might as well go on the bloody website anyway! *does think that AWI
needs to considering lowering paypal citizenship prices down so even once PP
has their cut the prices are still the same - Lets cater for everyone here,
regardless of if they have an international CC or just a local Debit card.)

Also; why would you want to buy bots... Look at whats out there, bots like
Xelagot, Magsbot, (dare I say it Eclipse) are all more powerful than
anything weve seen from AWI... and all they have on is paypal donates.
Unless of course you mean like sim bot rights, in which case discard the
last line.

> , and other things :)

- Mark R

Jul 29, 2004, 1:03am

Bravo!

a few corrections master!(yes you are my new master mark)

your forgetting distribution cost for aw :) they'd need to have them put
into each and every store lol.

also I didn't mean bots, I meant bot limit :) lol why would I want awi's
bingo bot, oh and also I got my idea as I stated in prior post, from every
mmorpg known to man...Ever Quest, Ultima, City of heroes, starwars galaxy,
and I think I even saw there.com doing it, all have cards to buy and enter
the given number to get the citizenship :)

but also other games that are barely known, or even open market, such as
gunbound have many things more than aw, like a shop on their site that sells
plushies, and t-shirts! but also they now have gunbound cards in stores lol,
some internet startup site from Korea sells them, and their making uber
profits. :)

oh also aw couldn't hurt from submitting themselves to computer and pc game
magazines :) as well as a new website, how old is that lol
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Jul 29, 2004, 1:17am

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If you
distribute this worldwide you are looking at roughly another £5,000 - £1000
and bribes to places like PCWorld to display the titles in a forefront
location.
---- End Quote ----

- Mark

Jul 29, 2004, 1:36am

How soon people forget... Then-COF tried this with a CD version of AW a few years ago but it failed miserably and was out of date the moment it was created. AW has many other things it needs FIRST before trying this lame stunt again...

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Jul 29, 2004, 1:48am

putting down ideas just like you eep...
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Jul 29, 2004, 1:58am

Welcome to the world economy, mass production, and painfully slow (for
everyone not on Beta anyway) updates!

I think if they got it right (straight after 4.0) it could potentially work,
the Hi-Res CD was a bit of a flop.

The idea with what Ive explained is exposure, something that takes half a
second to pick up that you can just slot in your CD drive is exactly what
Active Worlds could do with, as of course its alright to promote till the
cows come home, however; if you then expect the user spend time on finding
and downloading your product then you are naturally going to have less
people willing to do so than something where they experience the promotion,
and distribution simultainiously.

The major point being you have to offer something to your prospective future
clients, instead of demanding something up-front for a product they have
never used...

Also, the good thing if you manage the funding correctly, you can run such
an endevour simultainiously to other projects... although it would be quite
clever on AWI's part if they created an installer that would download and
install a new update if it were available, instead of installing an older
version... that way users never see the 'an upgrade is available' when they
first install which would be somewhat "meh..." some snazy percentage bar
that doesnt actually show you anything relevant but keeps going across to
let you know the program is alive while it downloads the update (perception
that a program is doing something useful is in a lot of cases more important
to users than it actually doing something... as most 'common' users dont
know how to tell the difference anyway)... Sneaky but damned effective.

- Mark
Bedtime.. 4:46 AM






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Jul 29, 2004, 9:22am

pssst..he filtered you a few threads up ;P He's right though...the CD
thing didn't work out too well, so this might not either, it might had
they added some new things like what Eep has on his site (more gaming
features) to boost AW up there with other products such as Everquest and
Halo and the sort. Things can always change though...things take some time.

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Elyk
kfoerst at sbcglobal.net

Jul 29, 2004, 10:24am

Here you go Mark :-)


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Jul 29, 2004, 3:16pm

Not what I mean... I mean the kind that you get when Dreamweaver connects
via FTP where the slashed bars move across... it doesnt actually show you
anything about time left on the bar, but it just lets you know the program
is awaiting something.

- MR


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Jul 29, 2004, 4:16pm

Could sit there for years watching mine - just remember to get something to
drink every so often - and to eat - and perhaps a backup generator :-P

Lol

John

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Aug 17, 2004, 3:58pm

I am not sure why you assume it failed miserably. We sold every copy! It
was just a lot of work and our focus is in other areas. As far as putting
it into stores, those shelf spaces cost A LOT OF MONEY.

E


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Aug 17, 2004, 4:24pm

It was pointless since the content was obsolete the day it was released. And whoever bought it was an idiot considering it's freely downloadable...<eyeroll>

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Aug 18, 2004, 12:19pm

Actually, the exe was the latest at the time of burn but using our cool
patching system was very easy to update with subsequent releases.

The features that were definately not obsolete were the higher resolution
graphics and soundfiles on the CD as well as the high resolution dll that
was unavailable for download versions. The fact that they were already on
the CD and that the CD was read as the path were nice features at the time
and eliminated a lot of download time (which back then was quite an issue
for many).

E



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Aug 18, 2004, 2:48pm

[View Quote] Huh? I had been using the 256x256 texture-res DLL for MONTHS (if not a year or so) before the "high-rez" CD was released. <shrug> And if you think scaled-up textures (mindlessly enlarged from 128x128 to 256x256 with blurred aliasing) is "high-rez", you need to go back to digital art school. ;) You did them correct years later when AW3 was released, however...

> The fact that they were already on
> the CD and that the CD was read as the path were nice features at the time
> and eliminated a lot of download time (which back then was quite an issue
> for many).

Eh...it was (and still IS) essentially a useless feature. I can guarantee most users never even bothered (or bother) with the local path option.

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Aug 18, 2004, 8:03pm

Read down \/

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Ksg Ind
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