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Jan 10, 2005, 7:58pm

As you may know from posts in other areas of this NG, I'm looking for a new
web host to host at least three domains each with their own IPs. The
question here is what exactly do I need in a host to run my X1 bots from one
of my domains? In other words I'm looking for a web host that will allow me
to run my bots from one of my domains but I have no idea how to do that. So
while host shopping, what exactly am I looking for that will allow me to do
that? The host I'm leaning toward has the following in a package I'm
interested in...

3 Domains / 3 IPs / 30 Subdomains (can register 2 domains for free with this
package)
Web Space = 3,000 MB / Monthly Bandwidth Usage: 100 GB
Unlimited Email / FTP and has Webmail
Databases & Scripts: 10 MySQL / 10 PgSQL plus CGI / PERL / PHP / etc
File Manager / Shell / Control Panel / Stats
These are the most important to me but they do have many other features &
plans. Cost is $119.40/yr (frozen) with a $20.00 setup fee that can be
waived. So far this seems to suit my *other needs* as each of my domains is
completely different.

So with all the above in mind, what if anything there says I can u/l and run
bot programs? Shell? What do I need to ask the host to be sure I can run my
bots or other *chat* servers from one of my domains? Thanks in advance :o}

LNH



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Jan 10, 2005, 8:09pm

[View Quote] > As you may know from posts in other areas of this NG, I'm looking for a new
> web host to host at least three domains each with their own IPs. The
> question here is what exactly do I need in a host to run my X1 bots from one
> of my domains? In other words I'm looking for a web host that will allow me
> to run my bots from one of my domains but I have no idea how to do that. So
> while host shopping, what exactly am I looking for that will allow me to do
> that? The host I'm leaning toward has the following in a package I'm
> interested in...
>
> 3 Domains / 3 IPs / 30 Subdomains (can register 2 domains for free with this
> package)
> Web Space = 3,000 MB / Monthly Bandwidth Usage: 100 GB
> Unlimited Email / FTP and has Webmail
> Databases & Scripts: 10 MySQL / 10 PgSQL plus CGI / PERL / PHP / etc
> File Manager / Shell / Control Panel / Stats
> These are the most important to me but they do have many other features &
> plans. Cost is $119.40/yr (frozen) with a $20.00 setup fee that can be
> waived. So far this seems to suit my *other needs* as each of my domains is
> completely different.
>
> So with all the above in mind, what if anything there says I can u/l and run
> bot programs? Shell? What do I need to ask the host to be sure I can run my
> bots or other *chat* servers from one of my domains? Thanks in advance :o}
>
> LNH
>
>
>

For the X1 bot - you'll need a Windows server :(
Unlikely you'll find one.
I wonder when will XelaG bit the bullet and convert his bots for Linux? I did not hear from him since ages!

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Jan 10, 2005, 9:23pm

I do not believe you can successful use the Xelagot (X1) in a Linux
environment or on a shell. You could try using an emulation program, but
I'm not sure things would be 100% bug free. XelaG may be working on a
beta version that runs on Linux, but again, I'm sure there would be many
bugs that would need to be worked out before it would run smoothly. For
everything to work correctly, you need to run it on a Windows box like
Andras said.

-Builderz

Jan 10, 2005, 10:18pm

Thanks guys ...

I thought it had to be Linux to control from a *remote location* ... in
other words to start / stop it I thought it had to be Linux? I think this
host offers Windoze too, what would I need to do to run a bot in Win then?
What do I need to ask the host?

LNH



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Jan 10, 2005, 11:08pm

not too sure about this, but to run programs on your host, would need either
a dedicated server (expensive, very) or a virtual private/dedicated server
(less expensive).
or, could ask the host if they would be willing to let you put the bot up i
guess?

i've been looking for a host for ages that uses windows, and does virtual
dedicated servers, but no luck yet, so my guess would be you would need a
dedicated server.
well not too sure, but think thats correct.
oh, if anyone knows of any hosts offering windows based, virtual dedicated
servers, please let me know!

-SWE

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Jan 11, 2005, 2:48am

All we'd really is a daemon process that can load/run (interpret) the
scripting language XelaG came up with....

I'm not looking for a full fledged GUI or anything, just something to
run the scripts.

-J

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Jan 11, 2005, 9:15am

Actually most web hosts I've looked at provide Linux or Windows ... chose is
yours. I just need to know what exactly I have to check with these hosts to
find out if I can run bots from my server package. What exactly am I looking
for to run any bot or server from a web host?

LNH



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Jan 11, 2005, 9:58am

[View Quote] > Actually most web hosts I've looked at provide Linux or Windows ... chose is
> yours. I just need to know what exactly I have to check with these hosts to
> find out if I can run bots from my server package. What exactly am I looking
> for to run any bot or server from a web host?
>
> LNH
>
>
>

You would need a shell account with Remote Desktop Access feature. With that - you can run X1 or such as you would run it on your PC.

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Jan 11, 2005, 3:29pm

Thanks Andras, that's what I wanted to know :o} Hugzzz

LNH



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Jan 12, 2005, 5:41pm

OK ... there are those of you who have web hosting and you are also running
your bots from your web space, care to tell use who your host is and how we
go about finding out if we can also get accounts with the ability to host
bots, etc? Hmmmmmmmmm?

LNH



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Jan 13, 2005, 9:45am

X1 is not the best solution, av99bot is more appropriate for
unattended hosting, it can be installed as a service (just like a
world can). X1 is good for desktop computers, not for servers.

There is no plan at the moment to port xelagot to Linux.

Alex

On 10 Jan 2005 19:18:43 -0500, "lady nighthawk"
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>
>I thought it had to be Linux to control from a *remote location* ... in
>other words to start / stop it I thought it had to be Linux? I think this
>host offers Windoze too, what would I need to do to run a bot in Win then?
>What do I need to ask the host?
>
>LNH

Jan 14, 2005, 6:45pm

I am a webhost, and I can do bot hosting.. yet it'd be my first time. I
have 2 servers; One linux, other Windows.

Jan 14, 2005, 8:15pm

Yes I've referred others to you. But I'm looking for a host that can host my
3 unrelated domains, and my world OP allowing for x1 bots to run from there
also, in which I have complete control. My request is not just aw related.
I'd want three IPs for the diff domains, etc. I'm looking for a host that
has been around for at least 5 years and would cost me no more than about
150. / yr (maximum). I already have a few in mind (as stated in previous NG
threads) but was wondering how to squeeze in the bot hosting bit LOL.
Perhaps it's a no can do. Thanks for the offer anyway TheMask.

LNH



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Jan 14, 2005, 8:55pm

It wouldn't be hard on Windows to control your bots, and your domains
under one server. You could login with an account, and control
everything graphically, basically.

Jan 14, 2005, 9:26pm

"TheMask" <ricky at whaletech.net> a écrit news:41e84dd1$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> It wouldn't be hard on Windows to control your bots, and your domains
> under one server. You could login with an account, and control
> everything graphically, basically.
>

I agree that it wouldn't be hard, if ... if .. if ..
Each of LNH's questions on its own wouldn't be difficult, but to combine
them...
To manage the domains and become the authority, you need to install the
zones on a DNS server plus the reverse zone, or rather two servers
(primairy, secondairy).
If you manage the domains, you'll also need to manage the mail accounts for
those domains (or relay them for those domains, one way or an other, being
responsable for the MX records for these domains).
You'll need to specify the mail server which will handle the mail. Anyway,
to my knowledge, a DNS server can't become an authority without a properly
configured zone, including a functional MX record.
It's not as easy as a website. For each domain to have seperate (routable)
IP's, you'll need an IP pool from which you can attribute each of them one.
Providing remote access of some sort maybe wouldn't be that difficult, if
.... You might want to restrict that access to only one machine, you wouldn't
want people peeking around and access your entire network, not ?

Drubi

Jan 15, 2005, 1:19am

[View Quote] Of course you would need to restrict access. Windows 2003 is built like
that, to have permissions to what and on. I have been playing with
Windows 2003 Server for quite a while now.

For the IP pools, it's quite easy. They're about a $1 each, and given to
me. I install them, then she has access to them to do as she wishes
under a control panel (we're using PLESK, and plesk.com somewhere in
there for a demo of the panel).

As for DNS, that's easy too.

Jan 15, 2005, 4:25am

Right now my three unrelated domains are on different hosts, if they can be
managed by me on different hosts with different IPs I can't see why one host
can't handle all three. Not sure I understand but if bots for aw is the
complicating factor for getting domains hosted from one host with each
having their own IP then I guess I'll skip bot hosting for now, I mean skip
looking for a host that provides this so that I have total control. I run
them from my computer now but when it acts up they go poof :o/

Thanks for your input guys...

LNH



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Jan 15, 2005, 6:15am

[View Quote] Very unlikely that you can get your webhost to do it, OR anyone else you
find from search engines...

Jan 15, 2005, 11:15am

"TheMask" <ricky at whaletech.net> a écrit
news:41e8d109$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

[View Quote] I agree with TheMask that it's not likely to find a company who can offer
the all-in services you require. At least not as a standard package.
As for LNH's question, the domains aren't the complicating factor, but a DNS
server doesn't just become an authority on the Internet like that. You can
fiddle around on your own LAN, but not over the Internet. It's not that
simple. Otherwise your domains might go *poof* and disappear from the
Internet instead of your bots ;)
One question which tickels my curiuosity though, LNH; for which reason would
you want all these services to be combined ?
Just so your bot will carry a myname.mydomain.com when it connects ?

Jan 15, 2005, 4:51pm

I'm looking for a web host that will serve all of my domains, which as I
said vary immensely. I see no point in having two or three hosts when one
should do it. As for bots, I was just wondering what it would take to run
them from whichever host I choose, it's no biggy, no crisis if I don't find
one that will do all I want. I've found one that will serve my web needs and
that's what is important. I was just wondering what was required or needed
in order to get my bots working from the web instead of from my computer ...
having them run on my computer takes up resources I could well use otherwise
and my computer is not so stable lately. I've been experiencing screen
freezes &/or blackouts and sometimes the graphics just goes funky; mouse
freezes ... both forcing me to turn the computer off and then back on which
then sometimes it just won't boot up at all, all I get is bios beeps for
which I can't identify which beep code is sounding. The computer is only two
years old. It's up to date on all virus & trojan / ad aware scanners ...
that is not the issue. I think it's a graphics card or something going.
Anyway that's another story but is why I'm looking to host say 6 bots online
.... where better to do that than my own webspace if it can be done?
Thanks....

LNH

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Jan 15, 2005, 8:20pm

Sounds like you have a cooling problem.. try opening it up and cleaning
some dust out. You can buy a product that is especially done for that
stuff, computer cleaner. It's just a air blower, can't really think of
the exact name for it though.

Jan 16, 2005, 2:44am

Yep, already did that, all fans are working also, and ya I've updated to
latest drivers, etc :o/

LNH


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Jan 16, 2005, 5:28am

Drivers wouldnt have to do anything related. Something is overheating if
it does that..

Jan 16, 2005, 4:42pm

I have three fans and a fan monitor that tells me which fans are on and what
the temp is. It's not overheating. But I did find out that from the BIOS
beep codes I get when the thing won't reboot the it's a Video Adapter
failure or bad RAM :o/ Which I interpret to mean I have to attempt to reseat
the video card, and if that doesn't work I'll have to replace it &/or it's
RAM.

LNH



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Jan 16, 2005, 5:49pm

[View Quote] As you said that, I had the same problem too; bad ram. Try taking it out
and see how it runs for a day or two..

Jan 16, 2005, 11:33pm

LOL I gotta find it first ... the video card has it's own RAM so shouldn't
be to hard ... will look next time I'm forced to open it :o/ Thanks all for
your input!

LNH



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Jan 17, 2005, 2:12pm

[View Quote] Videocard ram.. heh, just disregard it. That's built-in stuff.

Jan 17, 2005, 4:35pm

I can't just disregard it, the screen often goes black and I hafta reboot by
powering off/on. That's when I get the bios beeps and it won't boot up at
all until I try and try and try and finally it'll boot. I'll either have to
reseat the video card or I'll be forced to get new RAM / video card. I'm not
lookin forward to either. I haven't looked recently but if I recall it has
it's own RAM stick on the video card with 128 MB of memory. I just wish I
could tell which it is as the bios beeps indicate it's *either* the RAM for
the video card or the video adapter (which I assume is the card itself) :o/

LNH



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Jan 17, 2005, 5:58pm

Take out the vidcard for a day.

Jan 17, 2005, 9:41pm

I won't be able to see anything if I remove the vid card :o/

LNH



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