1  |   Order by index

Jul 11, 2005, 8:20pm

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C58645.357C2140
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To all citizens of activeworlds

After my lengthy post yesterday, i have been approached by some citizens =
to clear the air about something that the ng's had mentioned about me in =
the past.

First, I want to say I'm sorry to all who will feel the heat from this =
post as it is not my intention to hurt anyone but it is my intention to =
pave a smoother road towards relationships here in aw with myself. I'm =
leaving all names out but Im sure some of you will undoubtedly know =
anyways. I ask that nobody gets trashed here.

Many months ago, I had downloaded a model for another citizen who told =
me the model had something wrong with the password. The model's url was =
given to me. Although I felt odd about doing such a task having never =
been asked before, the citizen told me that they had remembered the 2 =
letters in the middle of the password and how many characters long it =
was. I retrieved the model, and extrapolated the password using =
Calcathean formulae and found out the citizen's story to be true. The =
correct letters were in the correct placement in the password and the =
password was indeed the noted number of characters long. I uploaded the =
model to the citizen's object path which was piggybacked onto another =
citizens ftp. Some weeks later it came to me that the model was not in =
fact downloaded from a free website but rather a site that has copyright =
to the model. I have apologized to the owner of the ftp who had granted =
me full rights to the ftp to upload the model. I have contacted the =
school that the model was downloaded from. The owner's =
"second-in-command" was made aware and signified knowledge of the item =
at the time of me becoming aware of the copyright but as I also, was too =
busy to approach anyone else beyone that about the matter.

****THIS IS THE APOLOGY PART********

Through a conglomeration of unfortunate events, I had made a decision =
that was of poor judgement, and I apologize to anyone that this may have =
affected. I do not condone behavior like this nor will i ever be caught =
up in it again.=20

*******END APOLOGY**********

*******AND NOW, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GRIPE*********

I am no longer in the business of selling my models thanks to the =
persistent remarks from one person here through the ngs. I have bit my =
lip until yesterday. I have donated thousand in models to many different =
events, as free giveaways, as donations to poor citizens.....yet all I'm =
remembered for is my one day of poor judgement. It is now nearly 6 =
months later and only 3 people have come to me and asked what happened =
and only one person has bought any models. They'd rather listen to these =
God foresaken newsgroups. I was hoping the owner would get the message =
after yesterday's post but of course, they made a remark about stealing =
models anyways.

Isn't it funny how the owner of the ftp suffered no loss, as didn't the =
copyright owner, who, by the way, understands what happened, and I have =
lost thousands in sales? Who shall be culpable here?

This is what Im constantly out thru here.....a gram on June 30th, 2005
Telegram from {citizen name}, sent Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:13 PM:=20

If I m, May ask.... are you just uncomfortable aroudn me,, or just dont, =
like me no more or still mad or wot?

yet on July 6th, just 7 days later, they make remarks like this one on =
reference to another modeller:

and as you Well know.. She aint, the Only Modeler that has ever Stoal,d
Something uh pelly?

or here's a gram from July 11th
Telegram from (citizen name), sent Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:07 PM:=20

You can do what ever you wish to me pel...I know I said things in the =
newsgroups, that should have been left out...but I cant, erase that =
expletive deleted off the newgroups

It seems that this one person has a either a personal vendetta against =
me ro just wants to be the center of attention.

Im sorry to whomever Ive hurt and I am fully accountable for my actions. =
I always take responsibility for what I do. But I dont deserve being =
buried here.






------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C58645.357C2140
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To all citizens of =
activeworlds</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After my lengthy post yesterday, i have =
been=20
approached by some citizens to clear the air about something that the =
ng's had=20
mentioned about me in the past.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First, I want to say I'm sorry to all =
who will feel=20
the heat from this post as it is not my intention to hurt anyone but it =
is my=20
intention to pave a smoother road towards relationships here in aw with =
myself.=20
I'm leaving all names out but Im sure some of you will undoubtedly know =
anyways.=20
I ask that nobody gets trashed here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many months ago, I had downloaded a =
model for=20
another citizen who told me the model had something wrong with the =
password. The=20
model's url was given to me. Although I felt odd about doing such a task =
having=20
never been asked before, the citizen told me that they had remembered =
the 2=20
letters in the middle of the password and how many characters long it =
was. I=20
retrieved the model, and extrapolated the password using Calcathean =
formulae and=20
found out the citizen's story to be true. The correct letters were in =
the=20
correct placement in the password and the password was indeed the noted =
number=20
of&nbsp;characters long. I uploaded the model to the citizen's object =
path which=20
was piggybacked onto another citizens ftp.&nbsp;Some&nbsp;weeks later it =
came to=20
me that the model was not in fact downloaded from a free website but =
rather a=20
site that has copyright to the model. I have apologized to the owner of =
the=20
ftp&nbsp;who had granted me full rights to the ftp to upload the model. =
I have=20
contacted the school that the model was downloaded from. The owner's=20
"second-in-command" was made aware and signified knowledge of the item =
at the=20
time of me becoming aware of the copyright but as I also, was too busy =
to=20
approach anyone else beyone that about the matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>****THIS IS THE APOLOGY =
PART********</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Through a conglomeration of unfortunate =
events, I=20
had made a decision that was of poor judgement, and I apologize to =
anyone that=20
this may have affected.&nbsp;I do not condone behavior like this nor =
will i ever=20
be caught up in it again. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*******END =
APOLOGY**********</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*******AND NOW, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT=20
GRIPE*********</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am no longer in the business of =
selling my models=20
thanks to the persistent remarks from&nbsp;one person here&nbsp;through =
the ngs.=20
I have bit my lip until yesterday.&nbsp;I have donated thousand in =
models to=20
many different events, as free giveaways, as donations to poor =
citizens.....yet=20
all I'm remembered for is my one day of poor judgement. It is now nearly =
6=20
months later and only 3 people have come to me and asked what happened =
and only=20
one person has bought any models. They'd rather listen to these God =
foresaken=20
newsgroups. I was hoping the owner would get the message after =
yesterday's post=20
but of course, they made a remark about stealing models =
anyways.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Isn't it funny how the owner of the ftp =
suffered no=20
loss, as didn't the copyright owner, who, by the way, understands what =
happened,=20
and I have lost thousands in sales? Who shall be culpable =
here?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is what Im constantly out thru =
here.....a gram=20
on June 30th, 2005</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIR>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Telegram from {citizen =
name}, sent Thu=20
Jun 30, 2005 6:13 PM: </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>If I m, May ask.... are =
you just=20
uncomfortable aroudn me,, or just dont, like me no more or still mad or=20
wot?</FONT></P></DIR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>yet on July 6th, just 7 days later, =
they make=20
remarks like this one on reference to another modeller:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>and as you Well know.. She aint, the Only Modeler that has ever=20
Stoal,d<BR>Something&nbsp; uh pelly?<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or here's a gram from July =
11th</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIR><FONT color=3D#ff2400 size=3D1>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Telegram from (citizen name), sent Mon Jul 11, 2005 =
1:07 PM:=20
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>You can do what ever you wish to me pel...I know I =
said things=20
in the newsgroups, that should have been left out...but I cant, erase=20
that&nbsp;<FONT color=3D#000000>expletive deleted</FONT>&nbsp;off the=20
newgroups</FONT></P></DIR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems that this one person has a =
either a=20
personal vendetta against me ro just wants to be the center of=20
attention.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Im sorry to whomever Ive hurt and I am =
fully=20
accountable for my actions. I always take responsibility for what I do. =
But I=20
dont deserve being buried here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR class=3Dlb><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C58645.357C2140--

Jul 11, 2005, 10:12pm

No, Pel......you certainly do NOT deserve the "tar and feather" treatment
you have received in the NG's. You and I have spoken and you know how I feel
about this incident, but I would suggest before any more unsolicited
comments are made, certain people clean their own house before stirring
someone else's dirt! Falling off a royal throne can be very painful!

[View Quote] After my lengthy post yesterday, i have been approached by some citizens to
clear the air about something that the ng's had mentioned about me in the
past.

First, I want to say I'm sorry to all who will feel the heat from this post
as it is not my intention to hurt anyone but it is my intention to pave a
smoother road towards relationships here in aw with myself. I'm leaving all
names out but Im sure some of you will undoubtedly know anyways. I ask that
nobody gets trashed here.

Many months ago, I had downloaded a model for another citizen who told me
the model had something wrong with the password. The model's url was given
to me. Although I felt odd about doing such a task having never been asked
before, the citizen told me that they had remembered the 2 letters in the
middle of the password and how many characters long it was. I retrieved the
model, and extrapolated the password using Calcathean formulae and found out
the citizen's story to be true. The correct letters were in the correct
placement in the password and the password was indeed the noted number of
characters long. I uploaded the model to the citizen's object path which was
piggybacked onto another citizens ftp. Some weeks later it came to me that
the model was not in fact downloaded from a free website but rather a site
that has copyright to the model. I have apologized to the owner of the ftp
who had granted me full rights to the ftp to upload the model. I have
contacted the school that the model was downloaded from. The owner's
"second-in-command" was made aware and signified knowledge of the item at
the time of me becoming aware of the copyright but as I also, was too busy
to approach anyone else beyone that about the matter.

****THIS IS THE APOLOGY PART********

Through a conglomeration of unfortunate events, I had made a decision that
was of poor judgement, and I apologize to anyone that this may have
affected. I do not condone behavior like this nor will i ever be caught up
in it again.

*******END APOLOGY**********

*******AND NOW, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GRIPE*********

I am no longer in the business of selling my models thanks to the persistent
remarks from one person here through the ngs. I have bit my lip until
yesterday. I have donated thousand in models to many different events, as
free giveaways, as donations to poor citizens.....yet all I'm remembered for
is my one day of poor judgement. It is now nearly 6 months later and only 3
people have come to me and asked what happened and only one person has
bought any models. They'd rather listen to these God foresaken newsgroups. I
was hoping the owner would get the message after yesterday's post but of
course, they made a remark about stealing models anyways.

Isn't it funny how the owner of the ftp suffered no loss, as didn't the
copyright owner, who, by the way, understands what happened, and I have lost
thousands in sales? Who shall be culpable here?

This is what Im constantly out thru here.....a gram on June 30th, 2005
Telegram from {citizen name}, sent Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:13 PM:
If I m, May ask.... are you just uncomfortable aroudn me,, or just dont,
like me no more or still mad or wot?
yet on July 6th, just 7 days later, they make remarks like this one on
reference to another modeller:

and as you Well know.. She aint, the Only Modeler that has ever Stoal,d
Something uh pelly?

or here's a gram from July 11th
Telegram from (citizen name), sent Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:07 PM:
You can do what ever you wish to me pel...I know I said things in the
newsgroups, that should have been left out...but I cant, erase that
expletive deleted off the newgroups
It seems that this one person has a either a personal vendetta against me ro
just wants to be the center of attention.

Im sorry to whomever Ive hurt and I am fully accountable for my actions. I
always take responsibility for what I do. But I dont deserve being buried
here.

Jul 12, 2005, 3:27am

I wouldn't let one incident keep you from continuing to sell/donate your
objects Pelican. You are a great object maker and a talented artist as
well. I would just take things said with a grain of salt. I think
it's good that you took it upon yourself to apologize and explain your
side of the story to everyone even though it sounds like it was just a
small misunderstanding/honest mistake from what you explained, however,
I wouldn't let it keep you from putting your creations up for sale in
the future :)


[View Quote]

Jul 12, 2005, 10:18am

Yes, Pelly you shouldn,t stop modeling or anything, Elyk is right, you are
a good modelr and artist
that,s just one of the reasons why it shocked me for what you did..
aqs far as what elyk said about being Innocent about this.. your a smart man
pelly if this cit didnt, have the whole pwd, and knew a few letters or
numbers
then look like to me you should have known,
anybody can take Something from Somebody else and claim that they didnt,
know it was copyright protected
But, your a Smart man. I,am Baffled at how you couldn,t have known,

.. I wished you would have told me before you ever did it..I Know when I
Found out that it was stolein and was in my FTP, all you could say was I Did
it
and try to blame on a Kid that preasured you into it...( I Still have the
text of you admittin it too ) Pelly,, you Really Don,t know what it did to
my heart when this happen..,I trusted you with my FTP and my heart
my stomach reached my knees when I Found this out..I couldn,t Beleive that
my best Friend at time had did this to me.. I was heart broken,
I know that this Crap shouldn,t have been in the newgroups, That, I am
sorry for
Been awhile since I had my heart ripd..

And, but I would suggest before any more unsolicited
comments are made, certain people clean their own house before stirring
someone else's dirt! Falling off a royal throne can be very painful!
?.........Hehe
There is NO royality here in AW...I clean my house when I got rid of
that object
That was what was dirting up my house...


[View Quote]

Jul 12, 2005, 10:45am

and Shalimar is right, you dont, deserve to be tar and featherd. I,am Sorry
I Bought it into the newgroups
Forgive me


[View Quote]

Jul 12, 2005, 11:21am

Ive never denied not having done it, but you made it look like I did it on
purpose.
Conversation over. Now maybe some of the damage can be repaired.


[View Quote]

1  |   Order by index