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Feb 26, 2001, 6:17pm

Did I try to force anyone to code in VB? Nope..

AOL is a program moron.. and Adobe is a company but they make programs..
(Ex: Adobe Acrobat) there are a lot of programming languages.. create one
urself.. I dont think u can.. can u? Exactly.. dont complain about what I
use if u cant make a better one..

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Feb 26, 2001, 6:37pm

[View Quote] That's just your view on this discussion. It's not about "who is better".
Now shut up and look at how other people did it, and learn from it. Don't
hide behind "I don't care". You can actually learn a lot if you accept that
other people can do things better than you do, and want to look at it. Funny
thing is, if you look at it and learn how they did it, you can suddenly do
it as good as they do. Funny, eh?

Of course, you can also start bitching about how poor you are that everybody
is hounding you with questions about how and why you did something...

> I could care less who is better.. would you people
> like me to code in C++ instead?

I don't mind you coding in VB. That's your choice. But don't tell other
people to do so.

> Would it make your people's life a whole
> lot easier if I did?

Who cares... I don't use your bots anyway, so it prolly wouldn't influence
me.

> Why not tell Brant, 00RUSS, and Builderz to stop
> coding in VB too..

Why would I? I don't tell you to stop with it either.

> I can bet they know C++ or C or Delphi or Java too..

Do you? Did you actually code something in those languages? Did you get any
further than "let's try it - eex it looks too difficult - next"?

> BUT.. they prolly choose VB because it is so simple..

Prolly not. Each of those languages has a steeper learning curve than VB.
But *if* you get to know them, they are easier than VB. Each of them is more
flexible than VB. You can do more, and it's faster. But it requires more
knowledge, more time and more learning.

> see.. you all dont
> realize..

We do. You just don't see it.

> your not as smart as you say you are..

No, we are smarter.

> think before you speak..

If only you would do that... think, do some background research, listen to
us, etc.

> it helps a lot..

Yup. Now do it. Come on, you can do it. Prolly.

rolu

Feb 26, 2001, 6:47pm

[View Quote] Quoting you: "simple programs such as bots should be made in VB.."

so you are saying everybody who makes "simple programs such as bots" should
use VB.

> AOL is a program moron..

AOL, or America OnLine, is a company. A well known ISP. They surely have
programs, but AOL isn't one. Now who are you calling a moron?

> and Adobe is a company but they make programs..

no, really. As if I didn't knew so.

But if you do (as it seems): then say so the first time. Say what you mean.

> (Ex: Adobe Acrobat) there are a lot of programming languages.. create one
> urself.. I dont think u can.. can u?

Yes. As a matter of fact, I am doing so at the moment, it is part of my
comp. sci. education. Everybody around here gets to know how to do it.

> Exactly..

You have the very annoying habit of answering questions you just asked with
the wrong answer, and then basing your entire post on them. It makes you
look stupid. Don't base arguments on things you aren't 100% certain of.

> dont complain about what I
> use if u cant make a better one..

Bull shit statement. I may complain about everything I want to complain
about. Even if I can't fix it.

rolu

Feb 26, 2001, 6:50pm

LOL ... Whatever. I disagree, anyhow.

BTW, I don't have a problem with VB ... as you well know, I use VB!! I'm a
little confused where you got that idea from.

.... And who the heck do you think you are talking to "bud"??? Damned kids!

Grims


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Feb 26, 2001, 6:58pm

Kid? I am hardly a kid.. as I see it.. I am far from what you people
consider a "kid" and "bud" is a term used by many people other than "kids"..
I know many people who are at least 21 or older that use the term "bud" you
tell me to research when you people yourselves dont know who you speak to..
I would like to think the next 27 or 26 days of my AW experience as a fun
couple of days.. so that is why I am not gonna bother arguing with you
people.. I plan to give all the source to my bots and web pages to a
friend.. and hopefully.. they will be in better with you people than I am..
because.. he is a very nice person..

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Feb 26, 2001, 10:37pm

Because Visual Basic programs require run-time DLLs which are huge.
Lane, a suggestion: dump VB and buy Delphi. no run-time DLLs needed :o)

www.borland.com/delphi

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Feb 27, 2001, 12:21am

Don't have a use for it..

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Feb 27, 2001, 8:23am

[View Quote] Translation: can't use it.

rolu

Feb 27, 2001, 1:30pm

why does so many people compare aw to a game?
gmes have points of some sort ie hit points in a rpg or guns that kill a
player like unreal or some other sort of thing.
aw has none of this yeh some have made rpgs inside ow aw but that does not
make aw a game in anyway.
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Feb 27, 2001, 1:42pm

Vis basic is ment as a stepping stone for other languages.
Thats realy whats its ment as and for the hobbyist.
I wish i hadnt stoped programing at good old basic but i wasnt realy in to
puters when qbasic and vis basic came out if i had been id likly be doing
alot of c++ now but i dont want to learn programing now as i dont realy have
much time with my work in true space and 3d studio max and rr job.
so i just realy on people who do program c++ for bots etc.
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Feb 27, 2001, 2:10pm

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Grrr, that wasn't me!!!

nova schrieb:
>
> why does so many people compare aw to a game?
> gmes have points of some sort ie hit points in a rpg or guns that kill a
> player like unreal or some other sort of thing.
> aw has none of this yeh some have made rpgs inside ow aw but that does not
> make aw a game in anyway.
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Feb 27, 2001, 2:29pm

[View Quote] Because it looks like one. And because they want it to be a game.

> gmes have points of some sort ie hit points in a rpg or guns that kill a
> player like unreal or some other sort of thing.

I don't see guns in patience. Also, unreal is 3D, just like AW. So, what's
your point?

> aw has none of this

AW is 3D, like a lot of games (in fact even all 3D games :-)

Also, you walk around with an avatar, just like in those 3D games.

Also, you can do this with a bunch of other people, just like in a lot of
multiplayer games.

Also, you can chat with those other players.

AW *does* look like a game.

> yeh some have made rpgs inside ow aw but that does not
> make aw a game in anyway.

AW isn't a game. If anything, it's a chat program. But that doesn't say you
can't compare it to a game.

rolu

Feb 27, 2001, 2:31pm

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Pascal is a much better language for starters, it has very strict rules
and standards (VB, like all Basic-dialects, isn't a standard, not
portable) and you will find Pascal compilers on nearly every machine.
Ok, Turbo Pascal (later Borland Pascal, now Delphi) was not really
Pascal but it was cheap, and someone who learned to do structures
programming with Pascal will write easy-to-read programs in other
languages too.
That doesn't mean that you HAVE to learn a new language after you
learned Pascal/Delphi - they can be used for large projects - but most
projects for companies will require Cobol (I know, hard to believe),
C/C++ or Java, sometimes PL1. The only area where VB might be helpful is
in smaller companies that need VB and VB-Script for MS/Office
enhancements.

I agree, that VB is good for hobbyists - but most good developers start
as hobbyists, so it's good to think ahead.

p.s.: I started with Basic too, but that was a time when no compilers
were available for hobbyists (not for small $$$).

nova schrieb:
>
> Vis basic is ment as a stepping stone for other languages.
> Thats realy whats its ment as and for the hobbyist.
> I wish i hadnt stoped programing at good old basic but i wasnt realy in to
> puters when qbasic and vis basic came out if i had been id likly be doing
> alot of c++ now but i dont want to learn programing now as i dont realy have
> much time with my work in true space and 3d studio max and rr job.
> so i just realy on people who do program c++ for bots etc.
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Feb 27, 2001, 3:36pm

Wow ... its been a long time since I've seen any mention of PL/1 ... I think
ananas and myself come from similar backgrounds LOL.

I started with PL/1 when I began working for a living, after pascal at
school (and good old Commodore Basic of course LOL). I think its a case of
natural progression for a lot of people. You choose based on relevance and
your budget, existing skills and willingness to learn new things. All things
being equal, with hind-sight, I'd rather re-learn pascal and use Delphi than
VB.

Although I agree VB SHOULD have limited applications in the real world ...
there's plenty of mid-rate, short-term contracts for skilled, experienced VB
analyst/designer/programmers in Europe at the moment.

The way I see it is that VB's apparent commercial popularity in years past
is a legacy of the madness that was distributed computing. Now we've all
reverted back to common sense and centralised processing, VB is back where
it belongs - next to Windows ME on the computer store shelf. You have FAR
too much payback on performance to
justify it over the alternative RAD environments available today. I think
Microsoft's decision not to add much at all to VB in the upgrade to Visual
Studio 6.0 says a lot.

One last point ... I would imagine that there would be a lot more C/C++
usage in these forums if AW would release a linux SDK, with more and more
people having their own private LANs with advent of affordable "home
networking" nowadays. I know I would appreciate it ... and I think we would
see more serious applications for bots coming out of the woodwork.

Grims.




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Feb 27, 2001, 8:57pm

god dont get me started on win me what a freeking heap of a os sheesh
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