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bennejezzerette // User Search
bennejezzerette // User Search
Apr 3, 2005, 8:03pm
I wish for a Linux Version of AW that uses KDE or Gnome as the graphics
engine, I wish to even get the source code to create a AW for Linux.
I have not been able to get on AW for this reason. Windows XP Pro
crashed so many times I got fed up with it, Got Slackware 10.1 and to
date, If I leave it alone, It never crashes. Has had 5 or 6 things opne
and it just trots along, open 2 things or even 3 in XP and the whole
system reboots.
I want my CiT Back and I want AW for Linux.
Apr 4, 2005, 2:39am
[View Quote]DaBean e wrote:
> I have not had thgat problem with WinXP. Possibly ther is hardware
> incompatibilities with your computer, of your copy of Windows may have
> problems itself. I suggest contacting Microsoft or you computer dealer
> to find any information on that.
> Bean!
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> BenneJezzerette wrote:
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I have tried Wine, I do need to get the source so it will work with KDE.
They usually use GNU from GNome for some reason. I had XP up and running
fine, even withall the programs I had, but AW and Eyeball chat kept
crashing it at everyturn. Rebooting at odd times, and the like.
Slackware I can have this open, Gxene and several other things and not
lose a heartbeat. Linux runs fine here. Maybe if I could reverse enginer
it. Lol not. as for the otehr ppst of what it uses.
The AW browser is bolted on to Windows by too many critical things:
* Renderware (is there an RW for Linux now?)
* Windows Media Player (for the 'media' command)
* Internet Explorer (for the in-browser web panel)
* Faircom CTree database (what about this one?)
It seems to me that a complete rewrite of AW's browser is necessary to
make a Linux version possible. IMO, this is not something AWI has the
manpower to do.
As for these, Renderware Xaw3d is the equivlent 3d graphics from X11
Media Player can be superceeded with Gxene
IE is just a crutch for the aw browser, they could hook into KDE and
Knoqueror.
CTree I don't know exactly what it is. If it is a C++ code then GCC++
for Linux can superced that. It would be source only and they can just
write in the redo for the no more dll's and vxd's. More Modules for
sound using alsa = Advanced Linux sound Archetecture
aRts in KDE is the sserver side of the audio too.
If they do this then the OSF will applaud them for being open. If they
stickwith a closed system, and all, then who knows.
Windows is not a program, it's a virus
Once you get it, you can get rid of it.
Solution = Linux Anti Virius.
Apr 4, 2005, 4:15am
[View Quote]Tony M wrote:
> The AW browser is bolted on to Windows by too many critical things:
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> * Renderware (is there an RW for Linux now?)
> * Windows Media Player (for the 'media' command)
> * Internet Explorer (for the in-browser web panel)
> * Faircom CTree database (what about this one?)
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> It seems to me that a complete rewrite of AW's browser is necessary to
> make a Linux version possible. IMO, this is not something AWI has the
> manpower to do.
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> On 04/03/2005 5:03 PM, BenneJezzerette wrote:
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Installed Wine and AW refuses to run at all.
Apr 4, 2005, 9:21pm
[View Quote]HighFlier wrote:
> I have to agree with some here. You can't expect them to re-write and intire
> programa that has grown up with windows for just a few people. Espcially
> when most of the base here are windows users as someone reported above. Here
> is what I would do>>>>GO TO STORE AND BUY A CHEAP PC TO USE WITH AW. Don't
> say you can't afored it either becuase you already bought another OP and you
> would not even be online if you could not afored it. Go buy another PC and
> end your suffering over it. LOL. I would....However I do have to agree with
> her/him that XP is noting but hassles hassles hassles. It is definetly shaky
> and it does love to shut down without notice and it does get weak in the
> knees if you don't restart it constantly...without question they do have a
> point on that one those Linux users. Mine does it and so do many of my
> friends. People know that XP has some weaknesses to it. It's widly known
> FACT.
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Well I got e-mail from Rick today and made this suggestion, ther eis
another person in the AWI offices that is using Linux. Well between him
and myself, we could redo the code, make it for linux and then Grow
AWI's Profits. Hows that for an idea?
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Apr 5, 2005, 3:27am
[View Quote]Strike Rapier wrote:
> Personally Id not let you within 100 miles of the AW source code, and AW is
> NEVER going to be OSS, personally the only external person id trust to do
> something like this is Andras.
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> By the way, have you actually done a cost / benefit analasys, the
> development time vs the payoff... I am pretty certain it would be in the
> negative figures. Linux users form a tiny majority of internet users, what
> next, demand a command line interface for building?
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Such a Mind with no moral bone. OSF will be asked to look into this now.
Maybe then, but since someone in the AWI offices have a Linux box there,
why not!!? Then all Linux users can enjoy the benefits of AW and all the
good people there. All my friends I have from there, want me to come
back, but untill I can get a system that Windows can't get memory hungry
with and won't crash at teh next move around some corner in aw looking
for a misplaced bot seed. Want to do this, get me a Tyan Dual Opteron
System with 8GB of ram per Processor and the Latest PCIe nVidia Card
300GB HDD and then maybe, just maybe windows won;t crash
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Apr 5, 2005, 5:36am
[View Quote]R i c h a r d wrote:
> http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
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> That do ya?
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> "BenneJezzerette" <jennifer755 at cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4252139a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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yes and who is going to buy it for me? The Tyan board is just what I
want, but no onboard video.
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Apr 5, 2005, 5:40am
[View Quote]R i c h a r d wrote:
> But now i think of it you might need this:
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> http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8qspro.html
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> Or alternatively you could just trim down windows, I dont see what your
> major problems is I ran the current build on my previous machine which was
> Athlon XP 2400+ 768MB RAM Windows XP Pro XP2
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> "R i c h a r d" <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:42521814$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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System AMD K6-2 500
256MB of ram and someone was kind enough to rip me off here in aw for 768MB
30GB HDD
nVidia GeForce 2 MX 400 64MB
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I had XP Pro SP2 and some things marked SP3, yet it crashed about every
two weeks, and reintalling it because the sp's messed it up was not
worth it. So my quest to find an os thta does not crash unless I make it
crash, thus Linux Slackware to be excact. If I leave the kernel alone it
runs and runs and runs and runs. I opne 4 even 5 things and it just
purrs on. Open 2 things in WXP Pro and it rebooted. So my decision was
based on crash vs useability.
Apr 5, 2005, 4:27pm
[View Quote]R i c h a r d wrote:
> Why would you want onboard video that things got bloody 16x PCI Express dual
> opterons would be accelent to drive it with Hyper Transport!
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> Hell my athlon 64 fx socket 939 which is basicly a single opteron drives an
> AGP 8x graphics card to its limit! If i had money i would probably buy that
> exact board and a pair of Geforce 6800's and use SLI!
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> "BenneJezzerette" <jennifer755 at cox.net> wrote in message
> news:425231ec$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Tee hee, me too. Then I believe Windows or even this Slackware Linux
would just go along and never have an issue. (Windows? Never crash? a
pipe dream at best) As for on board video, I tell everyone, do not get
On Board, its usually less and you'll end up with crappy graphics.
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If I had even something close to that, my nVidia GeForce 2 MX 400 would
be so happy to run at it's full 4X ability, not limited by the boards 2X
Slot.
Apr 5, 2005, 4:29pm
[View Quote]Tony M wrote:
> On 04/05/2005 12:27 AM, BenneJezzerette wrote:
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> The OSF has absolutely no authority over a private company's actions. It
> is completely absurd for you to even think that they do, and only
> continues to prove the notion that you're just a Linux zealot trying to
> push your own agenda.
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> 'R i c h a r d' has already told you it is possible to use AW under
> WINE. If you won't do this, then there's no alternative for you. If you
> REALLY want to run AW, get your hardware in check and figure out what
> went wrong under Windows XP -- that really is the *only* problem you've
> had with Windows XP.
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> I'm personally getting sick of your Linux-pushing agenda, and I'm sure
> many others are too. You need to lighten up on it, or else you're only
> going to increase the resistance to your idea.
Then ignore it and go on about your own agenda, wich appears to be
Windows. I think if they have a MAC version thta is for MAC OS X then
they have a basic Linux version, since MAC OS X is Linux under the hood.
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Apr 4, 2005, 2:43am
[View Quote]Idun wrote:
> Hi everyone!
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> Just wanted to say SUMMERTIME!!!!!
> So we are setting new time for Elvandor Sunday Bingo!!
> New time: 4pmVRT every sunday!!
> Everyone is welcome!
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> Idun & TmgAres & Zanna
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too bad I can't be there anymore, I am now using Slackware Linux and
needs a Liux version of AW to get back online. Hopes and Wishes.
Apr 4, 2005, 6:52am
[View Quote]Seiya wrote:
> Dear Folks of the AW Community, My recently new citizenship has been
> disabled with a remainder of 8 months on it meaning $40 down the drain, and
> my remaining cit which I am writing with now expires in 17 days.
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> I have come to terms with my AW experience, I dont regret the good and bad
> times I had, I learned alot in many areas, I dont hold any grudges against
> anybody, I am just glad I was able to call myself a "virtual pioneer" for a
> few years. I was able to make good friends who have left over the years, and
> I have been able to develop my sense for design, but above all I have alot
> of good memories from this place, and wont hold onto the bad ones. So I may
> come back everynow and then as a tourist just to check things out, but I
> dont have the money for a new cit, nor the time.
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> So I just want to say I apologize to all that I hurt, and I forgive all who
> have hurt me, I had a good time that I wont forget, I taught myself alot
> about architecture and I am proud to be able to leave AW the 21st of this
> month with a good attitude and no regret or anger, I am just glad for the
> opportunities and good times I was able to have here.
>
> So gram me if you want within my last couple of weeks, or email me at
> starbuilds at yahoo.com Maybe someday when I have more leisure time and if AW
> is still around, I will come back. To my old friends and new and everybody,
> I love you! Ciao~! =]
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I am not there either due to AW's Lack of Linux support, I think this is
a reason that the user base has gone from over 1000 to less then 300
at times, and others even lower then that. I run SAlackware 10.1 and
have asked they make a Linux version, as the have a Linux version of the
World Server so why not a Linux version of the Browser? Wine the Windows
Binary builder seems to not like aw, or aw does not like it, at least
here. So all my builds go unattended and will probably lapse soon due to
the unresponsiveness of all the Upper Management that thinks Windows is
the "Only" platform that anyone uses. Be well sis and keep in touch with me.
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Apr 4, 2005, 8:06am
[View Quote]lord fett wrote:
> The reason for the drop in users is NOT because of lack of linux
> support. Not sure where you are getting this from... it is because of
> the price hike that happened a while back and people not wanting to
> renew. Windows is not the only platform, but it is sure the majority...
> a large majority in fact and where the main stream of money is coming
> from for them. And from what keeps happening to the staff/programmers at
> AWI, doesnt seem like they have much manpower to work with to take on
> such a task of redo the browser to have linux support. Would take a long
> long time, probably several years to recode the browser. So don't expect
> anything anytime soon.
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> BenneJezzerette wrote:
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I realise the hike in Cit costs is part of it. Also there is a Microsoft
thing out called TCO, Totla Cost of Ownership. They claim Windows is so
much less yet Linux on the whole is free to get, and install, Spend
hundreds of dollars on Windows and watch it crash on a regular basis.
Same hardware, no changes, and Slackware Linux is poperating at it's
peak with no hiccups. AWI needs to understand the cost will go up again,
because of the lack of users, so trying to keep revenues is going to be
fun. If they took the time, they could get back to a greater than 500 or
even 1000 users if they just paid attention.
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Apr 4, 2005, 9:40pm
[View Quote]JerMe wrote:
> I have to agree with you whole heartedly...
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> I feel the need to correct one minor thing though.
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> TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) is not a "Microsoft thing". TCO is a term
> used in mainly in the computer/technology industry (but other industries
> as well) to refer to the total cost of purchasing,
> installing/implimenting, traning users, and
> maintaining/expanding/scaling the system throughout it's anticipated life.
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> So, rather than just looking at upfront costs, TCO looks at how much a
> piece of technology will cost to buy, impliment, and keep running (i.e.
> pay a techie to keep it running).
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> My bet would be that you're refering to the adds that Microsoft has been
> running lately which claim Window's TCO is lower than the TCO of linux.
> They're trying to say that it costs *more* to keep a linux system
> running and maintained than a Windows system. Granted that it is more
> complex to maintain a linux system (most of it doesn't have any pretty
> window's interface dumbing it down), it does require a more skilled
> administrator. However, when you add in all the hidden costs of Windows,
> somehow I doubt the TCO is less than linux.
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> My guess is that Microsoft funded the research behind these ads and that
> it's noting more than propaganda in a loosing battle microsoft is fighting.
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> Indepent research suggests that the most popular web server in use today
> is Apache running on (surprise!) linux..... Eat that microsoft and IIS.
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> -Jeremy
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TCO Windows Initial Seat no more than one from 99.00 to 399.00 depending
on theOS of cxhoice
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TCO Linux 0 to 100.00 max. Per seat, some Distros are Not free.
This is PEr Seat, can Windows make this claim?
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