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New monitor // Roundtable
Post by Alien // May 3, 2006, 6:14am
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Means I order TS7 Boxed for $620 then they will recalculato towards Euro and then I would have to pay to the customs 16% tax before I get the box from the customs handed over.
I got lucky with tS7, just opened my door to go out in the evening [must have been asleep when postman knocked in the morning] & it was sitting on the doorstep. :)
Here in germany all prices are usually given inclusive the tax. The way lot of other countrys do it, price tags without including tax is not known here.
Most places here show the price with tax included, but a lot of UK online places show both [with & without tax] prices. It used to be different - a few years ago a lot of [UK] online places showed the before-tax price, & you either had to work it out yourself or wait until you got to the checkout page to find out what the final total was. Not so bad if you were buying something for a business [& thus could claim VAT back anyway], but a pain for the individual who wanted to save money over "high-street" prices. |
Post by xmanflash // May 3, 2006, 7:24am
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(To be more precise, the TFT has a powerful backlite, which you can compare to the lamp you use for photo negative scannings on a scanner as a shining through lamp an dlittle transistors inside the panel move some crystals to let the light through)
Hi Emma, just to add to your great explanation of CRT vs TFT, TFT screens are backlit by a fluorescent tube type backlight (which is why they are so bright from edge to edge).. The next generation of TFT will instead be LED backlit, which allows for much better color reporuction (will be about 110% of NTSC colour spectrum, while LCD at the moment are only about 80%) so these new screens will look great.. however the speed of switching the LED's is still slow, hence the delay in release to market. OLED will be the screen technology that will give us much finer resolution, making screens almost as nice to read as paper.. |
Post by Alien // May 3, 2006, 8:13am
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The next generation of TFT will instead be LED backlit, which allows for much better color reporuction (will be about 110% of NTSC colour spectrum, while LCD at the moment are only about 80%) so these new screens will look great.. however the speed of switching the LED's is still slow, hence the delay in release to market.
I'm sure I've seen 1 or more that already is LED backlit, though I can't remember...
<a couple of quick googles later>
Apparently NEC have already got 1 available, but it's not exactly what you call a consumer model [$7000], & Samsung (http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405_1-6413979.html) have 1 they're bringing out pretty soon, the SyncMaster 244ex. On the video on that page the guy says they're talking about that Samsung 1 being about $5000. Most likely the more companies that get competing products on the market the more the price will come down. Oh, also, apparently Sony has announced an 82" LED prototype member of it's Bravia LCD TV range [price, model, & release date unknown].
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I forgot to add: another bonus of LED backlighting is better contrast - with LEDs you can turn them completely off for a black area.
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Post by xmanflash // May 4, 2006, 12:26am
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I'm sure I've seen 1 or more that already is LED backlit, though I can't remember...
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Yeah - I have a friend who works for LG and they were close to releasing some more reasonably priced lower end models.. seems to have not happened yet though.. |
Post by splinters // May 5, 2006, 7:41am
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Well guys-TS7 grey background looks positively brown on this Gateway monitor (I have tweaked gamma etc.) and I have spotted a Sony SDM-HS95D in my local PC World. It is £219, so £50 more than the Gateway but I have decided I can never go back to CRT and I spend a lot of time working at the monitor. The Sony is part of the spring 2006 range and so I cannot find an honest review anywhere but has similar spec to my monitor but over the Gateway it has;
8 MS response, 700:1 contrast, 160 degree viewing angles (both ways) and most importantly a THREE YEAR ON SITE WARRANTY.
Now surely this, and the cool design (and Sony brand) must make it worth the extra £50. And it has DVI too.....
Whaddya think?..store closes in an hour and they have one left...:confused: |
Post by Alien // May 5, 2006, 7:54am
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Looks OK to me. I aplogise for what I said earlier, thinking that it didn't have DVI, as a page I looked at only listed an analogue connection, but I just saw another page that says it does. :o
I'm really surprised though that tS grey background ended up looking brown on the Gateway - not because of anything about the Gateway, I've just not heard of something like that happening on an LCD before.
Hope the Sony turns out OK. :) |
Post by daybe // May 5, 2006, 7:58am
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Looks OK to me, 3 year on site warrenty sounds good. Can't go wrong with Sony, although they are generally a little more expensive. |
Post by splinters // May 5, 2006, 8:22am
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Seems to me that £50 is not that much more for Sony brand and guarantee.
Alien, you were right-the earlier HS95 models only had analogue. This is a new improved model with added DVI and better contrast but still seems to be at the price of the analogue that PC World had...:) |
Post by Alien // May 5, 2006, 8:59am
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Seems to me that £50 is not that much more for Sony brand and guarantee.
Although I've had 1 or 2 Sony products, I've not had the need to use the basic 1 year guarantee they came with.
Alien, you were right-the earlier HS95 models only had analogue. This is a new improved model with added DVI and better contrast but still seems to be at the price of the analogue that PC World had...:)
Oh, ok, cool. :) |
Post by splinters // May 5, 2006, 9:48am
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Guys, I cannot thank you all enough for your help and advice. I just went out and bought the Sony; Gateway goes back tomorrow..:)
What a great monitor for the price. Came with a RGB cable, DVI cable, CD Rom, manual etc.etc. No dead pixels and the quality is instantly and noticably better than the Gateway. Only downside is the screen seems smaller due to the design of the Sony (It isn't just an illusion-different case design). Still, no regrets here and well worth investing in if you are in the market for a 19" monitor. I still think these are mis-priced at PC World, or at least this price is more commensurate with the RGB only versions you used to be able to get. Most Samsungs were more expensive than this and looking at the Sony specs I cannot see why;
http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowArticle.action?section=en_GB_Products&article=1144943026013&site=odw_en_GB
Oh, and TS7 looks just like it should now...no brown tint....:jumpy: |
Post by splinters // May 7, 2006, 6:48am
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Just to follow up on this-the Gateway was returned no problem and it has now gone down £10 in price in the shop to £159 is anyone wants a good looking bargain 19" monitor.
But really, if anyone is after a new monitor-these Sony's are amazing for the price. Looked at the old CRT the other day and it is hard to believe it was ever considered 'good' quality. After just a few days with the Sony I am thoroughly impressed-best purchase I ever made.
Thanks again for all the advice-if this is the result then it was well worth hunting down an alternative within that 14 day period...:banana: |
Post by stoker // May 7, 2006, 7:03am
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Just to follow up on this-the Gateway was returned no problem and it has now gone down £10 in price in the shop to £159 is anyone wants a good looking bargain 19" monitor.
I though you had had alot of trouble with this monitor with brightness and the clearness of text etc.
Maybe I am wrong...............but for 159 for a 19inch monitor seems a little cheap. I payed 160 for my 17inch:confused::confused::confused::confused: |
Post by hemulin // May 7, 2006, 8:04am
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I though you had had alot of trouble with this monitor with brightness and the clearness of text etc.
Maybe I am wrong...............but for 159 for a 19inch monitor seems a little cheap. I payed 160 for my 17inch:confused::confused::confused::confused:
Cheep doesn't necessarily mean good though. |
Post by splinters // May 7, 2006, 8:24am
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Cheep doesn't necessarily mean good though.
I also said a monitor that looks good i.e. cosmetically. No doubt that it is very minimal and visually appealing and to be honest, if I weren't such a stickler for picture quality it would have been fine for everyday use.
Simply cannot compete with the Sony but it is £50 or more cheaper...:) |
Post by noko // May 7, 2006, 11:01am
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I couldn't resist, monitor was on sell $200 bucks offl. So I bought a 24" Acer LCD, native resolution is 1900x1200, aspect ratio 16:10, 6ms reponse. Man is it huge next to my 17 inchers.
I have to say the UI for TS7 comes on its own and can fill up that monitor and use the space efficiently. Frankly I am amazed at how versatile the UI really is from 1024x768 to mobo size, you can configure it like it was made for it. Must play now :). |
Post by splinters // May 7, 2006, 11:11am
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Damn, I thought mine was big...;)
Must go and get a bigger one now...like this;
http://www.memory-express.co.uk/index.aspx?pageid=17&id=513272 |
Post by splinters // May 7, 2006, 11:15am
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Beat this; 55" monitor. Just don't ask the price. My 19" is starting to feel like a nintendo DS...;)
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/9801_LG_M5500C_BLACK_55__LCD_WIDESCREEN.asp |
Post by stoker // May 7, 2006, 11:24am
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Geeee.................THATS HUGE:jumpy:
Nice and expensive aswell:cool::cool: |
Post by noko // May 7, 2006, 11:33am
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Here is the one I bought:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009061
It is wonderful, I have a dual setup with 24" on left and 17" on right. The 24" is about twice as bright as my year and half old TFT and drawfs it in size. I may go back to single monitor with this thing. |
Post by noko // May 7, 2006, 11:39am
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Beat this; 55" monitor. Just don't ask the price. My 19" is starting to feel like a nintendo DS...;)
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/9801_LG_M5500C_BLACK_55__LCD_WIDESCREEN.asp
LOL, that is huge :D. Resolution though is not as high as I expected though, 1366x768 :confused:. Sure be a great gaming monitor though :D. Now at 1900x1200 I think I need a faster video card :(. |
Post by splinters // May 7, 2006, 12:01pm
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LOL, that is huge :D. Resolution though is not as high as I expected though, 1366x768 :confused:. Sure be a great gaming monitor though :D. Now at 1900x1200 I think I need a faster video card :(.
You really need to post a photo of that thing running TS7 Noko..:D |
Post by Alien // May 7, 2006, 2:48pm
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Well, it may not be as big as that 1 you posted Splinters, but what about this (http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=20705)? It has a higher resolution [2560 x 1600] than that LG, & a more attractive pricetag than the LG as well.
Bear in mind though, your 9800 will not run it [well, not at it's optimum resolution anyway]. To use it properly requires a "dual link" card.
From Wikipedia:
With a single DVI link, the largest resolution possible at 60 Hz is 2.6 megapixels. The DVI connector therefore has provision for a second link, containing another set of red, green, and blue twisted pairs. When more bandwidth is required than is possible with a single link, the second link is enabled, and alternate pixels may be transmitted on each. The DVI specification mandates a fixed single link cutoff point of 165 MHz, where all display modes that require less than this must use single link mode, and all those that require more must switch to dual link mode. When both links are in use, the pixel rate on each may exceed 165 MHz. The second link can also be used when more than 24 bits per pixel is required, in which case it carries the least significant bits.
AFAIK out of ATI's cards, only the X1xxx models have dual link capability. Unless you wanted to upgrade mobo as well, that means you are left with only the X1300 or X1600, as there aren't any AGP X1800 or X1900s. The XT version of the X1600 might be slightly faster than your 9800, but I'm not 100% sure. On paper it looks like it might be. [As you've probably guessed, I haven't the faintest idea what your options would be if you wanted to go Nvidia :)] |
Post by noko // May 7, 2006, 8:43pm
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Wow! now that is a monitor. I have to use VGA with mine since I don't have a dual link DVI port on my 6800GT, just single. I am looking at maybe getting an ATI X1900XT in the near future, fingers crossed.
Hmmm, if single link can do 2.6 megapixels then I should be able to use my monitor at 1900x1200 with DVI, Right? |
Post by Alien // May 7, 2006, 9:11pm
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Wow! now that is a monitor. I have to use VGA with mine since I don't have a dual link DVI port on my 6800GT, just single. I am looking at maybe getting an ATI X1900XT in the near future, fingers crossed.
Mmm..... X1900XT... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/drool.gif
<wishes he had Noko's money>
Hmmm, if single link can do 2.6 megapixels then I should be able to use my monitor at 1900x1200 with DVI, Right?
In theory, it would certainly seem so. |
Post by noko // May 8, 2006, 6:38am
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Mmm..... X1900XT... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/drool.gif
<wishes he had Noko's money>
Not money, pure plastic ;).
Will try DVI when I get a chance, will have to move monitors around for DVI cord to reach. At Newegg a X1900XT can be had for around $400. I will have to wait on that. |
Post by Alien // May 8, 2006, 7:42am
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Not money, pure plastic ;).
Will try DVI when I get a chance, will have to move monitors around for DVI cord to reach. At Newegg a X1900XT can be had for around $400. I will have to wait on that.
I have a high enough limit on my card to be able to get most of the components I want [though not at the same time], or at least I would if I ever managed to pay it off. :o I'm working on it, & trying to resist the urge to buy stuff, but it won't be long before I've got enough paid off to afford a new monitor, & it's gonna be hard to resist buying that.
As for X1900XT's - they seem to go from £300-400 over here. |
Post by noko // May 8, 2006, 6:20pm
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The more I use this monitor the more happier I am that I got it. I don't like using plastic either but with $200 off locally I kinda faultered on this one :).
The video card can wait since I am not playing to many games on my computer lately and TS7 runs just fine even at 1900x1200. My 17" monitor next to it is duller, look yellow and text is smaller on it at its native resolution then my big 24". All I can say if you can afford a big high quality LCD, go for it. |
Post by jamesmc // May 8, 2006, 7:54pm
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I upgraded my video card to 2 PCI-E, Geforce 6800 Xtreme. Not hardly the fastest on the market but two of them on the motherboard make doing things a bit faster. They were on sale at Tigerdirect for 99 each, with rebate of course; 149 normal. Was going to buy the new 7900, but decided to wait on a new processor and mother board. The one I have now is getting crowded, not enough slots.
Looking at LCD's, but don't know much about them.
Talking about big screens, when i worked in the military we had these giant 'tron' screens used for (blank) purposes. You could easily park a car in the dimensions of the screen. They are common now in sports arenas. |
Post by Alien // May 30, 2006, 4:10am
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I just thought I ought to post a correction on some info I posted previously.
Regarding the Xerox LCD monitors & the 7-day no-dead-pixel guarantee, it isn't actually provided by Xerox themselves, it's provided by an intermediary [I think that's the right word] company, who then provide to other companies, eg Overclockers UK. Apparently the guarantee isn't offered to all the companies they supply, & OcUK is the only 1 I know of. |
Post by PWL // Jun 2, 2006, 4:49pm
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Got myself the Dell 24" widescreen LCD and will be adding a 21" LCD just for tools. |
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