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Hexagon 2 looks promising for use with trueSpace
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Hexagon 2 looks promising for use with trueSpace // Roundtable
Post by mykyl1966 // Apr 27, 2006, 6:03pm
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I hope this is ok. If not then I am sure it can be deleted.
Hexagon 2 is being offered for $1.99 to Platinum club members. Costs $29.99 to join so as you can see its a no brainer. lol.
Offer is valid up to May 31st then the price goes up to $269.
Hoping the models will work well with my Truespace.
http://www.daz3d.com/
Cheers
Mike R |
Post by daybe // Apr 27, 2006, 7:11pm
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Hey that's pretty cool thanks for the info. ;) |
Post by Alien // Apr 27, 2006, 10:42pm
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I must admit it does look... interesting - in the sense that I see a number of tools I wish the Caligarians would implement in tS7.x. :) If I didn't have tS7, then yeah, it would be an extremely tempting offer - £17 instead of £149, but the only thing I saw in there that might not be in tS7's future was that OGL ambient occlusion thing, as it would seem Caligari has decided to leave OGL behind. Everything else they show either is in tS7 already, or will be, or could be created by users thanks to the new architecture. |
Post by splinters // Apr 27, 2006, 11:48pm
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Nothing would sway me from TS7 after the time I have invested in it but I am not likely to turn down a new piece of software for my toolset for £17. A 3D mag would cost me £6 and that might have a demo of Hexagon 2 which, I must admit, I would like to play around with. Definitely a no brainer...and if it helps me with feedback for future beta TS versions too...;) |
Post by stoker // Apr 28, 2006, 2:12am
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I certainly wouldnt stop using Ts but I sure like to try out new software and for that price I think it may well be worth it.:jumpy: :jumpy: |
Post by TomG // Apr 28, 2006, 4:03am
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Always good to have a range of tools, and this is a nice affordable tool to add to your toolset. Would indeed be interesting to see some models from Hexagon rendered with HDRI, with V-Ray, etc. Synergy, where two things work together :)
No objection to that sort of info being posted on the forums btw. We heartily recommend that people have more than one string to their bow, and so more than one 3D package on their machine.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by behzad // Apr 28, 2006, 5:53am
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I don't have truespace 7 yet , but maybe one day. I purchased Hex1 a few months ago and loved it since. You will not be dissapointed. |
Post by mykyl1966 // Apr 28, 2006, 6:04am
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behzad. I think you mean you purchased Hex 1 a few months ago. Hex 2 came out yesterday.
Cheers
Mike R |
Post by Garion // Apr 28, 2006, 6:07am
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Just ordered my copy for $1.99 but the download speeds are dire atm, so not even going to try again until Monday :rolleyes:
At that price, my Tightfisted Scottish Gene gave nary a murmmer... gotta go get it checked out :D
Cheers
Garion |
Post by chrono // Apr 28, 2006, 6:27am
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Umm.... people I really don't think that you'd have the same opinion if DAZ was selling TS7 for 1.99 right after it bought a part of Caligari!
This is a TITANIC benefit for some people who model. $40 for a $299 software! However it's a MASSIVE kick to the 'tender-bits' for the people who spent years building the program into what it is!
Daz completely raped Eovia Corporation and it's Hexagon 2 pre-order customers with this move!!! I'm glad that the European servers have 'gone down' beause of over load. If this doesn't give DAZ a blackeye with the 3D community then nothing will, because DAZ just destoyed it's narrow standing. Frankly Eovia should force DAZ to pay the offsetting price and the pre-order Hexagon2 customers should sue to get back their pre-order money. |
Post by daybe // Apr 28, 2006, 6:38am
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chrono, I agree totally, and I am sure folks over at eovia are not too happy at the moment. Not sure how well Daz with do with this type of move, could be that when they bought them out they didn't include the European division so perhaps they are trying to take all the business away and force them too close, and if had paid the pre-release price I would see about getting my money back.
However it is a nice piece of software and I will take advantage of it as I can make use of it for the time being, I wonder if it is too late for eovia to get out the deal. I wonder what their plans are for Cararra. |
Post by Garion // Apr 28, 2006, 6:44am
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Not being Privvy to the actual deal struct between the two companies, I cannot comment on who if anyone was shafted.
As its The US side of Eovia Corp that has been bought out I don't know where pre-order purchasers stand regarding their orders. To be honest, pre-ordering anything is a gamble as a company can go belly up very quickly these days.
I have been caught up in shenanigans like this in the past, when seemingly solid companies have just disappeared and I have been left with nothing for my money, at the time I went balistic, but now as in a recent case I just get on with living whats left of my life.:D
As far as I can see, those that pre-ordered are getting Hexagon 2 and a voucher for x amount of Daz content on top of that. I suppose if a buyer is indifferent to the Daz content then it would wrankle somewhat.:mad:
Maybe pre-order purchasers can apeal for a refund, I don't really know.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Cheers
Garion |
Post by Johny // Apr 28, 2006, 8:25am
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Got it :banana: |
Post by daybe // Apr 28, 2006, 9:43am
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Ya mine too, 2nd time. 1st time only part way downloaded in 5 hours then crapped out, 2nd time took 25 minutes, go figure. |
Post by JPSofCA // Apr 28, 2006, 9:48am
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So how is it? Is it worth the money and time? |
Post by daybe // Apr 28, 2006, 9:51am
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Not sure yet, haven't tried it yet, but I will let you know, may take a bit though as it's pretty new to me. |
Post by Délé // Apr 28, 2006, 11:31am
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Well, I do honestly feel bad for those that may have been adversely effected by this. Hopefully any wrong doings will be corrected. However, this poor man can't let a deal like that go by.
I had no trouble at all downloading and installing. Less then 15min to download here. Perhaps I squeezed in at just the right time. I can't get any of the video tutorials to download right now. I have no problem waiting a bit for those if I have to though, all things considered. It should be a nice compliment to TS. Good for organic modeling from what I can tell.
Thanks for the heads up Mike. :) |
Post by chrono // Apr 28, 2006, 12:05pm
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So how is it? Is it worth the money and time?
To be TOTALLY honest? It's completely worth it at a price UNDER $40, even with all of the bugs involved.
The only real problem bound negative to the purchase is that you'll have to re-learn how to model objects in 3D, and I'm not talking about interface either. If you think that i'm over stating this... well I'm not! There is a large difference between the 'closed' modeller that TS is and the 'open' modeller that Hexagon is. Welding vertexs becomes easier, editing becomes easier, nearly everything becomes easier to do and yet modelling becomes somewhat option ladled that it's difficult sometimes. You are no longer confined to starting with an object or spline, now you can start with only a single face, a single vertex, or an edge.
Dele, dude you've got TS7! It's a near Z-Brush clone and actually is far better for organics then Hexagon is! Also never underestimate a modeling program that has SubD. Using SubD is as much of a choice in Hexagon as it is in TS. Besides I've seen better industrial modelling come from most SubD programs labelled as organic modellers then I've seen from none organic modellers! |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 28, 2006, 4:49pm
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Umm.... people I really don't think that you'd have the same opinion if DAZ was selling TS7 for 1.99 right after it bought a part of Caligari!
This is a TITANIC benefit for some people who model. $40 for a $299 software! However it's a MASSIVE kick to the 'tender-bits' for the people who spent years building the program into what it is!
Daz completely raped Eovia Corporation and it's Hexagon 2 pre-order customers with this move!!! I'm glad that the European servers have 'gone down' beause of over load. If this doesn't give DAZ a blackeye with the 3D community then nothing will, because DAZ just destoyed it's narrow standing. Frankly Eovia should force DAZ to pay the offsetting price and the pre-order Hexagon2 customers should sue to get back their pre-order money.
Hmm - my tighta$$ Cornish genes just bought it.. :-) - I rang them cause the servers were awfull - couldnt get the files.. They were helpfull - reinstated my 4 broken download attempts - i look forward to using this with TS and vRay..
Got them now.. they added 10 servers to help offset the load.. Thats a good sign.... |
Post by djaram // Apr 29, 2006, 2:57am
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So how is it? Is it worth the money and time?
Just got it after 15 hours of downloading.
It a perfect tool to add to your ts7 toolset.
But it has a lot of bugs right now. and it is worth the money. modo102 is about 800$ and it doesn't have freehand brush or displacement map. It would be nice if someone implement import and export of .cob extention.
Regards, |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 29, 2006, 4:38am
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I've been a Daz member for awhile now and the content they offer is well worth the cost.
About the Hexagon 2 program, I got it with no problems. I suppose having a 8mbits connection helps too.
I'm extremely happy with the way in displays UV mapping. It will be a joy to do post modeling work.
I haven't tried any complex modeling yet. But I am certainly liking the vertex extrusions and sweeps and generally the way I can move things around.
It is not a complete package as it suffers on rendering and it doesn't have animation, but for a 199 pennies, I don't think I went wrong on the purchase.
No comment on the buying out of a corporation. I think the more important comments on buying out and/or merger would be that between Macromedia and Adobe. Now that is going to cause the bean pot to boil and overflow. |
Post by chrono // Apr 29, 2006, 7:00am
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Cuts this off before it gets bigger.
SILO, MODO, and Hexagon aren't made as packages or studios. They are specifically designed for model building and texturing. Their reasons for being are because many packaged 3D software have become static and no longer aim to be solely an artists tool. These programs aim at reducing both the amount of time building models and the amount of interface between the artist and the model.
Think of it as a step away from manually inputing your vertex cords. to wearing heavy gloves to work the 3D clay.
Just wait till you guys understand how incrediblely easy highlight selection is. ;) |
Post by JPSofCA // Apr 29, 2006, 8:35am
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For the price, I think I'll end up giving it a try. There are particular features that sound to be very useful.
And in response to this:
Umm.... people I really don't think that you'd have the same opinion if DAZ was selling TS7 for 1.99 right after it bought a part of Caligari!
This is a TITANIC benefit for some people who model. $40 for a $299 software! However it's a MASSIVE kick to the 'tender-bits' for the people who spent years building the program into what it is!
Daz completely raped Eovia Corporation and it's Hexagon 2 pre-order customers with this move!!! I'm glad that the European servers have 'gone down' beause of over load. If this doesn't give DAZ a blackeye with the 3D community then nothing will, because DAZ just destoyed it's narrow standing. Frankly Eovia should force DAZ to pay the offsetting price and the pre-order Hexagon2 customers should sue to get back their pre-order money.
I do think that offering Hexagon 2 for $1.99 is actually a wise marketing choice, and probably necessary. I've seen Hexagon in Fry's before, and I checked out the info, and for its price and its purpose as a product of its own, I passed. I might, however, take advantage of a dollar ninety-nine offer to be persuaded to actully use the product. If found useful, myself and hundreds of others who otherwise would never have tried the product, are now potential customers for a Hexagon 3 upgrade.
Besides, if Eovia got the preorder money and then sold the software, their hard-working programmers got their money. While DAZ is honoring preorder customers by delivering the product, those customers shouldn't be upset at them for their attempt to broaden the product's user base with a massive-markdown special. Eovia didn't lose it, they sold it to DAZ.
But I wouldn't blame folks for feeling like a dupe; years and years ago I wanted The Software Toolworks "Miracle Piano Teaching System" for the Sega Genesis. I watched that thing sit at $400 for well over a year or two. I finally bought it. Anyway, no sooner than the return policy expiration passes, all of the sudden there's a stack of "Miracles" for $150! Now $400 is a lot of money to a young kid, even these days...you better believe I was upset! I was furious. But I lived through it, got what I paid for. Still have it even. The moral of this post, I guess...is that sh!t happens...and that I might end up getting Hex-2. ;) |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 5:31pm
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I do think that offering Hexagon 2 for $1.99 is actually a wise marketing choice, and probably necessary.
I agree (concurr!) There are a few similar products that are all good, and to do this now, whilest also forcing membership of the greatest marketing machine Daz have (the platinum 'brand loyalty' club) it makes a lot of sense to flood the market with their new product..
It will generate enough income to pay for future development (the club fee+the 2 dollar fro the software) and with their download servers being down for a couple of days and them having to add 10 mroe servers to help out, I think they were succesful!
Eovia didn't lose it, they sold it to DAZ.
Yep - I dont think blaming DAZ for making the hexagon platform a more widespread popular piece for software is going to hurt those who pre-ordered in the future of the products development (although I am glad I am not one)..
I do believe in buying the tools you need to do the job you are getting paid for, and if you purchase then the price of admission was hopefully a business decision that provided a good return in billable work.. |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 5:34pm
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Cuts this off before it gets bigger.
SILO, MODO, and Hexagon aren't made as packages or studios. They are specifically designed for model building and texturing. Their reasons for being are because many packaged 3D software have become static and no longer aim to be solely an artists tool. These programs aim at reducing both the amount of time building models and the amount of interface between the artist and the model.
Think of it as a step away from manually inputing your vertex cords. to wearing heavy gloves to work the 3D clay.
Just wait till you guys understand how incrediblely easy highlight selection is. ;)
As a tool for modelling and mapping, which of the three do you prefer?
And while in this thread, does anyone have any simple instructions for hexagon 2 import to TS 7.1?
Just use .obj with luuv ? - or ar there difficulties? |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 29, 2006, 6:20pm
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As a tool for modelling and mapping, which of the three do you prefer?
And while in this thread, does anyone have any simple instructions for hexagon 2 import to TS 7.1?
Just use .obj with luuv ? - or ar there difficulties?
I used the tS66 luuv plugin in tS66 for imports from hexagon 2 obj's and had no problems. In fact the obj's I tried and re-mapped in Hexagon2 were more compliant than when I used tS native UVmapper or UVmapper. (Referencing importing to and from a 3D paint program in regards to the UV maps compliance...no artifacts.) |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 7:26pm
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I used the tS66 luuv plugin in tS66 for imports from hexagon 2 obj's and had no problems. In fact the obj's I tried and re-mapped in Hexagon2 were more compliant than when I used tS native UVmapper or UVmapper. (Referencing importing to and from a 3D paint program in regards to the UV maps compliance...no artifacts.)
Now I am really happy - thanks James :banana: :banana: :banana:
hang on - does this work as well in 7.1 ? |
Post by ProfessorKhaos // May 21, 2006, 4:14pm
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I remember looking at Hexagon in the local Micro Center store for somewhere around $299 or so. It looked interesting then but I had already spent my budget elsewhere. At $1.99 this is an awesome deal.
Thanks for the tip! I'll definately give this one a close look!
P.K. |
Post by CdeB // May 22, 2006, 12:02am
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I am also looking into this....and there is some small print I would value comments on dependent on experience.
The deal is to join the Platinium club and the price quoted at the beginning of this thread was something like $29 and then get hexagon 2 for $2. Actually, the $29 is the monthly payment for membership. Yearly subscription is in the order of $100. So the question is can you join for just 1 month, get all the goodies then cancel. My experience from other deals like this is that you are under some obligation for a sustained (at least one years) membership. Then the deal doesn't look so good.
So has anybody joined, got hexagon and then stopped after a month?
Thanks,
Chris |
Post by splinters // May 22, 2006, 12:46am
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I joined, got the program then removed my card from the monthly billing list-it is 7.95 dollars per month to keep it up-not 29. Don't know if you need to formally cancel it but they do promise you your 29 back if you are not entirely satisfied with your membership. I guess they would want hexagon back too if you did that...;) |
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