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Feb 11, 2001, 7:28pm

I have been out for a day or 3 now, gettin my new comp all together and
stuff, and I was just wondering what the word is on AW 3.1?

Also, has anyone here had a problem with an ABit Siluro (32 MB, NVidia GF2)?
Mine freezes the system when DirectX is active for about 5-10 minutes, and
it may actually freeze on a particular instruction, but I have no way of
tracking the instructions sent. Please let me know -- I cannot run AW or
about $200 worth of games for more than 10 minutes at a time lol

Feb 11, 2001, 7:35pm

word-coming out 2marrow :D

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Feb 11, 2001, 8:00pm

EEeeeeexxxxxxcellent :-)
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Feb 11, 2001, 9:45pm

[View Quote] Check the temperatures inside your case, especially those of your vid card.
It might run too hot. Open the case and let a table fan blow at it and see
if it doesn't crash.

See if you have the latest release of directx - it might be an already fixed
bug.

Also take a look at the bios, there might be some performance related
settings there. Try putting them at lower performance/higher reliability.

rolu

Feb 11, 2001, 10:55pm

I do have the latest version of DirectX -- this happened in 7 and 8 as well.
I will try those suggestions -- thanks :-) I doubt it is too hot (only
about 5 minutes of rendering, and the graphics card has a built-on fan) but
it could be.

-John Viper

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Feb 11, 2001, 11:28pm

I had the creative geforce 2 mx and had the same problem over heating makes
sence i just took the POS back and got a voodoo 5 5500.
I know i know 3dfx is gone but i did buy the card before that but hey its a
good card.
Any how add some extra cooling or run with your case off so you can more
easly monitor things run a direct x game for a few 5 10 mins or untill it
locks up then shut down and check your temp by carefuly touching the gpu or
back of the card it should be bareable to touch.
if not its over heating.
p.s. dont be a putz and just slap your fingure on there realy fast a dang gp
can get hot enough to burn skin off your finger it its over heating just
kinda put your finger near it if you feel heat dont touch it :)
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Feb 11, 2001, 11:33pm

Welllll...

I ran Midtown Madness II for about 2 minutes and then went to look at my
temperature levels. In these 2 minutes, the processor shot from 80F to
about 110F. (What is the Histerisis temperature, anyone know?) I don't
remember the exact numbers for the overall system, however. I believe it
was something like 75F to 80F or something like that -- not as dramatic,
however after running MTM for a little longer, it did the fun freezie thing
again. So, I shut the thing off and popped the side off, and felt around a
bit. WHOO-HEE!!! Damn those graphics chips can get durn HOT!!! The area
around the CPU wasn't very fun, either (I don't personally like touching the
processor itself, but the heat sink was indecently warm).

Here is what my ventilation system is like. I have a "suck" fan in the
front at the bottom, and am using the power supply fan as my "blow" fan.
This SHOULD run air right over the processor, but I think some IDE and Power
cables are in the way. Tomorrow I will try and see if I can get some wire
wraps to help tie the wires out of the way of the wind tunnel and I will see
if I can get some of the twisted IDE cables. Should I also get a second
"blow" fan for the back? Also, where can I get a ventillation device for
the PCI slots in the back? The Graphics card has a fan on the chip but THAT
obviously isn't doing much good.

Thanks for any and all help. :-)

-John Viper, on a computer suffering from high fever.

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Feb 11, 2001, 11:55pm

Yes it is definitely overheating. My friend, I just spoke to him and he is
going to sell me this ventillation system that sits in a PCI slot and sucks
air towards itself to cool down any PCI or AGP or ISA cards. I am guna put
it right under the graphics card ........ I sure hope it helps.

I thought Voodoo's didn't work with AW -- something about full screen
rendering? I am a big fan of the GeForce, and if I can ever get it to work
I am sticking to it. The aforementioned friend of mine has the same video
card (in fact, except the hard drive and the PCI cooler, the exact same
system specs oh and the case is diff) and has not had a single problem with
it.

-John Viper, who cannot wait to stand in AW for more than 5 minutes and
REALLY wants to smash some stuff up in Midtown Madness

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Feb 12, 2001, 12:19am

heheh nope thats only a consern witht ht e voodoo 2 cards what it is is they
only do full screen 3d not windowed 3d like aw is any thing from v3 up is
fine:)
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Feb 12, 2001, 12:21am

i cant belive i just did that hit send bef i wanted to
the pci slot deal is a exaust blower defently a must have i got one im my
sustem right now droped my case temp 5 degs i dont even know how much it
droped my v5s temp but id guess alot sence it feels like a hair dryer :)
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Feb 12, 2001, 10:20am

[View Quote] Those IDE cables are very bad for your airflow indeed. If you have a steady
hand, some patience and luck, you can try to cut all cables in the ribbon
apart and bundle them. But you could run into trouble with it (damage the
cable, or get interference). I hope the new serial standard takes off
quickly... tiny data cables are good.

> Tomorrow I will try and see if I can get some wire
> wraps to help tie the wires out of the way of the wind tunnel and I will
see
> if I can get some of the twisted IDE cables. Should I also get a second
> "blow" fan for the back? Also, where can I get a ventillation device for
> the PCI slots in the back? The Graphics card has a fan on the chip but
THAT
> obviously isn't doing much good.

Try a table fan :-) Blows into the case sideways and cools almost
everything. Very good emergency solution. Wouldn't recommend it on the
longer run though, too much dust.

rolu

Feb 12, 2001, 1:11pm

heheh hey rolu check out hardocp.com and hardforum.com if your in to
overclocking and case moding.
i hang out there all the time is a great forum
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Feb 12, 2001, 8:13pm

I appreciate everyone's recommendations and support, and I do have a
ventillation problem, but that in fact is not contributing to my video
problem.

I was running AW with my VIA Hardware Monitor running and the processor
hovered around 95F, never going over 100F. It froze after about 5 minutes
of running. I have the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers installed.

Here is a new one: I was running AW and turned texture mipmaps on, and when
I restarted the browser, I got a bluescreen:

*** STOP: 0x0000001E (0xC0000005, 0xA01048DE, 0x00000000, 0x00000035)

*** Address A01048DE base at A0000000, Datestamp 38438ff7 - win32k.sys

Running Windows 2000 on:
1GHz Athlon Thunderbird
ABIT KT-7 RAID (Not taking advantage of the Raid yet)
128 MB RAM
ABit nVidia GF2 w/ 32MB VRAM
Sound Blaster Live! MP3+
40GB 7200 RPM Western Digital Caviar

-John Viper, smiling with pride about his new comp (cept that the video dont
work)

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Feb 12, 2001, 9:32pm

Sounds like your CPU is over heating, check your fans etc, are they all
running? If so, can you keep your finger on the CPU heat sink for more then
20 seconds or so? If you can't that means its to hot most of the time.
Anywhere over 70F on a chip is dangerous on my chart, and it causes
crashsing 90% of the time.

--
-Xero

Feb 12, 2001, 11:42pm

95 is fine for a cpu amd rates theirs to 60s c suckers dont give a f
rateing
Also 95 is your cpus temp not your vid card unless you have some external
sensor hooked in to a thermsitor header on your mobo or a digi doc you wont
get a reading from your vid card.
This sounds heat related to me.
I just double checked with some freinds of mine in irc they also agree this
sounds like over heating isues.
Also try upgradeing your drivers dl the newest from their web site for
win2k.
Some times the hsf they suply suxx and has to much thermal epoxy on it
Im not sure what this card is like you may have the spring loaded pins
holding the hsf on the card.


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Feb 12, 2001, 11:49pm

Oh woops! I was thinking in C..lol..yeah 95 isn't to bad..

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-Xero
http://www.darkvapor.com

Feb 13, 2001, 12:12am

hehe hell yeh at 75 80 c youd be in deep dodo :)
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Feb 13, 2001, 1:30am

Well everybody... Thanks for all your help :-) I contacted technical
support and they told me how to fix it -- apparantly its a known problem.

Just in case anyone wants to know, IRQ 5 has to be set to Legacy ISA in
BIOS.

Thanks again :-)

-John Viper

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Feb 13, 2001, 1:55am

heheh cool glad to hear its working for you know
and dont you just love known problems that they dont fix on hard ware sheesh
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Feb 13, 2001, 8:43am

[View Quote] Checked your bios settings?

Also, you run windows 2000. I assume you have an AGP video card. AMD has
some drivers for win2000/agp, try installing them. See here:
http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/athlon-duron/amd_win2k_patch.html

rolu

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