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chess games (Sdk)
chess games // Sdk
Dec 7, 1998, 6:19am
How about making a chess game SDK application, as well as other popular
board games.
I don't know anything about the SDK or programming languages so don't
laugh at my idea.
Maybe it can be done by placing commented tags on certain quads on the
objects which can be used for reference points. For example, the SDK
app can tell the piece that has a tag of bknight to move to the square
tagged as b6 and if the square b6 (across b spaces and down 6 spaces) is
matched already with an opponent's piece, the opponent's piece will be
sent to a quad off the board somewhere that is labeled wcaptured (for
white captured). Also, maybe the bot can be programmed to only move
certain pieces in specific legal chess moves.
The application could be customized to be used with any game, whether in
existence now or created by the world owner's imagination.
I don't know if it would work, but I thought it might be worth a shot to
propose it.
Dec 7, 1998, 8:21am
Hello,
Just for your information:
Tim Mann's Chess Page
http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/personal/Tim_Mann/chess.html
Should be possible to interface one of those Chess engine to the SDK.
Thierry Nabeth,
INSEAD CALT
http://www.insead.fr/CALT/
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> How about making a chess game SDK application, as well as other popular
> board games.
> I don't know anything about the SDK or programming languages so don't
> laugh at my idea.
>
> Maybe it can be done by placing commented tags on certain quads on the
> objects which can be used for reference points. For example, the SDK
> app can tell the piece that has a tag of bknight to move to the square
> tagged as b6 and if the square b6 (across b spaces and down 6 spaces) is
> matched already with an opponent's piece, the opponent's piece will be
> sent to a quad off the board somewhere that is labeled wcaptured (for
> white captured). Also, maybe the bot can be programmed to only move
> certain pieces in specific legal chess moves.
>
> The application could be customized to be used with any game, whether in
> existence now or created by the world owner's imagination.
>
> I don't know if it would work, but I thought it might be worth a shot to
> propose it.
Dec 7, 1998, 12:55pm
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It could definitely be done.
<p>You wouldn't have to label the pieces. The program could keep track
of all the pieces and move them as directed by the players.
<p>Your biggest design issue is the interface between the players and the
program. The pieces could be moved just by pushing them around the board
or you could enter kb4->qp1 in the chat line. There are a few board addressing
schemes to choose from.
<p>Go for it Dean.
<p>Edward Sumerfield.
[View Quote]<p>dean wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>How about making a chess game SDK application, as
well as other popular
<br>board games.
<br>I don't know anything about the SDK or programming languages so don't
<br>laugh at my idea.
<p>Maybe it can be done by placing commented tags on certain quads on the
<br>objects which can be used for reference points.
For example, the SDK
<br>app can tell the piece that has a tag of bknight to move to the square
<br>tagged as b6 and if the square b6 (across b spaces and down 6 spaces)
is
<br>matched already with an opponent's piece, the opponent's piece will
be
<br>sent to a quad off the board somewhere that is labeled wcaptured (for
<br>white captured). Also, maybe the bot can be
programmed to only move
<br>certain pieces in specific legal chess moves.
<p>The application could be customized to be used with any game, whether
in
<br>existence now or created by the world owner's imagination.
<p>I don't know if it would work, but I thought it might be worth a shot
to
<br>propose it.</blockquote>
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Dec 7, 1998, 5:34pm
>
> Go for it Dean.
Ummm? Go for it??? hehe....You forget so soon that I said I don't
even have a clue about the first bit of code in C++ or any programming
language beyond Pascal, and even minimal introductory stuff there.
I was brining up the suggestion so someone who DOES know how to do such
a thing could "go for it".
Dean
Dec 7, 1998, 5:51pm
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If you can code pascal then you will pick up C in no time.
<p>I checked Thierry's web site and found GNU Chess with source code and
everything. It doesn't look too hard to change the InputCommand function
over to one that reads the chat line in a browser.
[View Quote]<p>dean wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>>
<br>> Go for it Dean.
<p>Ummm? Go for it??? hehe....You forget
so soon that I said I don't
<br>even have a clue about the first bit of code in C++ or any programming
<br>language beyond Pascal, and even minimal introductory stuff there.
<p>I was brining up the suggestion so someone who DOES know how to do such
<br>a thing could "go for it".
<p>Dean</blockquote>
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Dec 7, 1998, 6:18pm
Umm.....did I mention that I passed the course with a D?
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> If you can code pascal then you will pick up C in no time.
>
> I checked Thierry's web site and found GNU Chess with source code and
> everything. It doesn't look too hard to change the InputCommand
> function over to one that reads the chat line in a browser.
>
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Dec 7, 1998, 6:59pm
If you understand Pascal (a little, anyway), try checking out the Delphi
(Object Pascal) threads. The Sample Programs have been posted here, and the
AWAPI, compiled to link to the SDK (aw.dll). Start with the first Delphi
thread (10/1/98). There are a number of Pascal programmers working on SDK
bots.
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>
> Ummm? Go for it??? hehe....You forget so soon that I said I don't
> even have a clue about the first bit of code in C++ or any programming
> language beyond Pascal, and even minimal introductory stuff there.
>
> I was brining up the suggestion so someone who DOES know how to do such
> a thing could "go for it".
>
> Dean
Dec 7, 1998, 6:59pm
I will just ask ImaGenius or ByteMe. I do not have fond memories of
programming and do not want to mess with it. I posted in hopes that i could
perhaps give somebody a good idea to work on, because games are in demand and I
would like to see them done.
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> If you understand Pascal (a little, anyway), try checking out the Delphi
> (Object Pascal) threads. The Sample Programs have been posted here, and the
> AWAPI, compiled to link to the SDK (aw.dll). Start with the first Delphi
> thread (10/1/98). There are a number of Pascal programmers working on SDK
> bots.
>
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Dec 8, 1998, 1:33am
And a cool idea it was. I have downloaded the GNU Chess already. Give me a month or
two and you never know what might happen.
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> I will just ask ImaGenius or ByteMe. I do not have fond memories of
> programming and do not want to mess with it. I posted in hopes that i could
> perhaps give somebody a good idea to work on, because games are in demand and I
> would like to see them done.
>
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Dec 11, 1998, 3:36pm
Sounds great, contact Ima Genius to place it in AWGames !!
for the movements, i suggest the bot would be an "Chess Servant" which has
an avatar, and moves the pieces (and resets the board) and stuff
personnally.
the moves could be by coordinate and by gesture as you proposed, or sth like
simple
(faber standing on the start field)
faber: "move this piece here daniel" or "move my king to" or "move my king
side blah to "
[Daniel]: "move the King on B 6 to where, Faber"
(faber walking to dest field)
faber: "here, daniel"
so [Daniel] grabs the king and takes it there.
my 2 cents.
Walter
Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht <366C9E00.2C2704D8 at poboxes.com>...
>And a cool idea it was. I have downloaded the GNU Chess already. Give me a
month or
>two and you never know what might happen.
>
[View Quote]>dean wrote:
>
could
and I
Delphi
the
Delphi
SDK
don't
programming
such
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Dec 11, 1998, 5:06pm
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So, Daniel is an avatar that moves chess pieces around? I like the idea
visually but its an extension of the chat solution isn't it? Just with
a visual component.
<p>Well, personally, I want to complete AWCPP 0.4 first and release a herd
of deer. That will complete the avatar management portion of the AWCPP.
Then I can get into object manipulation stuff and chess may be a good entry
app in that field.
[View Quote]<p>Walter Knupe wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Sounds great, contact Ima Genius to place it in AWGames
!!
<p>for the movements, i suggest the bot would be an "Chess Servant" which
has
<br>an avatar, and moves the pieces (and resets the board) and stuff
<br>personnally.
<p>the moves could be by coordinate and by gesture as you proposed, or
sth like
<br>simple
<p>(faber standing on the start field)
<br>faber: "move this piece here daniel" or "move my king to"
or "move my king
<br>side blah to "
<br>[Daniel]: "move the King on B 6 to where, Faber"
<br>(faber walking to dest field)
<br>faber: "here, daniel"
<p>so [Daniel] grabs the king and takes it there.
<p>my 2 cents.
<p>Walter
<p>Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht <366C9E00.2C2704D8 at poboxes.com>...
<br>>And a cool idea it was. I have downloaded the GNU Chess already. Give
me a
<br>month or
<br>>two and you never know what might happen.
<br>>
<br>>dean wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> I will just ask ImaGenius or ByteMe. I do not have fond
memories of
<br>>> programming and do not want to mess with it. I
posted in hopes that i
<br>could
<br>>> perhaps give somebody a good idea to work on, because games are
in demand
<br>and I
<br>>> would like to see them done.
<br>>>
<br>>> Canopus wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>> > If you understand Pascal (a little, anyway), try checking out
the
<br>Delphi
<br>>> > (Object Pascal) threads. The Sample Programs have been posted
here, and
<br>the
<br>>> > AWAPI, compiled to link to the SDK (aw.dll). Start with the first
<br>Delphi
<br>>> > thread (10/1/98). There are a number of Pascal programmers working
on
<br>SDK
<br>>> > bots.
<br>>> >
<br>>> > dean wrote:
<br>>> >
<br>>> > > >
<br>>> > > > Go for it Dean.
<br>>> > >
<br>>> > > Ummm? Go for it??? hehe....You
forget so soon that I said I
<br>don't
<br>>> > > even have a clue about the first bit of code in C++ or any
<br>programming
<br>>> > > language beyond Pascal, and even minimal introductory stuff
there.
<br>>> > >
<br>>> > > I was brining up the suggestion so someone who DOES know how
to do
<br>such
<br>>> > > a thing could "go for it".
<br>>> > >
<br>>> > > Dean
<br>></blockquote>
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Dec 11, 1998, 5:28pm
Just to get my 2 cents in here, my personal preference would be for a chess
bot that let's *you* move the pieces instead of moving them for you. Then
there's no business of learning the language of the chess bot, you can just
walk right up and start playing.
I think this is easier than it may sound. You simply make the chess pieces
tourist owned so
that anyone can move them. The chess bot then simply tracks and validates
any building activity that occurs on the chess board. If an illegal move is
made, the bot moves it back. If someone moves out of turn, the bot moves it
back. If someone deletes a piece, the bot replaces it. If a moved piece is
not quite centered on its new square, the bot can center it. The bot can
also speak a running commentary on the game, even calling out check and
checkmate situations automatically, and resetting the board back to its
original state for a new game.
Further ideas include a bot that remembers players' performance across games
and posts rankings. The bot could conduct tournaments and other group
events.
The ultimate bot, of course, would also play chess against you itself when
you can't find an opponent.
That's my vote. Kudos to the first person who can implement it. :)
-Roland
[View Quote]Walter Knupe wrote in message <3671586d.0 at homer>...
>Sounds great, contact Ima Genius to place it in AWGames !!
>
>for the movements, i suggest the bot would be an "Chess Servant" which has
>an avatar, and moves the pieces (and resets the board) and stuff
>personnally.
>
>the moves could be by coordinate and by gesture as you proposed, or sth
like
>simple
>
>(faber standing on the start field)
>faber: "move this piece here daniel" or "move my king to" or "move my
king
>side blah to "
>[Daniel]: "move the King on B 6 to where, Faber"
>(faber walking to dest field)
>faber: "here, daniel"
>
>
>so [Daniel] grabs the king and takes it there.
>
>my 2 cents.
>
>
>Walter
>
>
>Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht <366C9E00.2C2704D8 at poboxes.com>...
>month or
>could
demand
>and I
>Delphi
and
>the
>Delphi
>SDK
>don't
>programming
>such
>
>
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Dec 11, 1998, 5:52pm
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[View Quote]Roland Vilett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Just to get my 2 cents in here, my personal preference
would be for a chess
<br>bot that let's *you* move the pieces instead of moving them for you.
Then
<br>there's no business of learning the language of the chess bot, you
can just
<br>walk right up and start playing.</blockquote>
Agreed. This brings up the clickable notification to the bot idea that
someone mentioned earlier. Just a side note, I know we are still in beta.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I think this is easier than it may sound. You
simply make the chess pieces
<br>tourist owned so
<br>that anyone can move them. The chess bot then simply tracks and
validates
<br>any building activity that occurs on the chess board. If an illegal
move is
<br>made, the bot moves it back. If someone moves out of turn, the
bot moves it
<br>back. If someone deletes a piece, the bot replaces it.
If a moved piece is
<br>not quite centered on its new square, the bot can center it.
The bot can
<br>also speak a running commentary on the game, even calling out check
and
<br>checkmate situations automatically, and resetting the board back to
its
<br>original state for a new game.</blockquote>
I like the idea. I assume my bot can login as a tourist to create the chess
pieces in the first place? I have never tried that.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Further ideas include a bot that remembers players'
performance across games
<br>and posts rankings. The bot could conduct tournaments and other
group
<br>events.</blockquote>
I tend to be an infrastructure chap so I would probably look at building
a Game framework that would support player registration, point tracking
and display and stuff like that. So I see that as a first step.
<p>This is why you haven't seen any deer wondering about. I am still building
the infrastructure. Doh.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The ultimate bot, of course, would also play chess
against you itself when
<br>you can't find an opponent.</blockquote>
In fact this was my first thought. I hadn't though about allowing two people
to play against each other. The GNU chess program is open source of coarse
and looks like it could easily be plugged into an AW VR front end. It is
already architected with the chess engine and front end separate.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>That's my vote. Kudos to the first person who
can implement it. :)
<p>-Roland
<p>Walter Knupe wrote in message <3671586d.0 at homer>...
<br>>Sounds great, contact Ima Genius to place it in AWGames !!
<br>>
<br>>for the movements, i suggest the bot would be an "Chess Servant" which
has
<br>>an avatar, and moves the pieces (and resets the board) and stuff
<br>>personnally.
<br>>
<br>>the moves could be by coordinate and by gesture as you proposed, or
sth
<br>like
<br>>simple
<br>>
<br>>(faber standing on the start field)
<br>>faber: "move this piece here daniel" or "move my king
to" or "move my
<br>king
<br>>side blah to "
<br>>[Daniel]: "move the King on B 6 to where, Faber"
<br>>(faber walking to dest field)
<br>>faber: "here, daniel"
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>so [Daniel] grabs the king and takes it there.
<br>>
<br>>my 2 cents.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>Walter
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht <366C9E00.2C2704D8 at poboxes.com>...
<br>>>And a cool idea it was. I have downloaded the GNU Chess already.
Give me a
<br>>month or
<br>>>two and you never know what might happen.
<br>>>
<br>>>dean wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>>> I will just ask ImaGenius or ByteMe. I do not have
fond memories of
<br>>>> programming and do not want to mess with it.
I posted in hopes that i
<br>>could
<br>>>> perhaps give somebody a good idea to work on, because games are
in
<br>demand
<br>>and I
<br>>>> would like to see them done.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Canopus wrote:
<br>>>>
<br>>>> > If you understand Pascal (a little, anyway), try checking out
the
<br>>Delphi
<br>>>> > (Object Pascal) threads. The Sample Programs have been posted
here,
<br>and
<br>>the
<br>>>> > AWAPI, compiled to link to the SDK (aw.dll). Start with the first
<br>>Delphi
<br>>>> > thread (10/1/98). There are a number of Pascal programmers working
on
<br>>SDK
<br>>>> > bots.
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> > dean wrote:
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> > > >
<br>>>> > > > Go for it Dean.
<br>>>> > >
<br>>>> > > Ummm? Go for it??? hehe....You
forget so soon that I said I
<br>>don't
<br>>>> > > even have a clue about the first bit of code in C++ or any
<br>>programming
<br>>>> > > language beyond Pascal, and even minimal introductory stuff
there.
<br>>>> > >
<br>>>> > > I was brining up the suggestion so someone who DOES know how
to do
<br>>such
<br>>>> > > a thing could "go for it".
<br>>>> > >
<br>>>> > > Dean
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>></blockquote>
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Dang...that is one small detail I forgot about. Bots cannot login as =
tourists. However, if they have eminent domain, they can change =
existing objects (which they have just built) to tourist ownership, in =
worlds that do not have a registry. This is a bit more clumsy, but it =
would work. =20
I guess I was envisioning this whole application being set up in a world =
custom-built just for chess playing. It would be difficult to implement =
this in AlphaWorld as I described it.
If someone out there was serious enough about actually making this =
happen, it's conceivable that I might be able to convince COF to donate =
a small world specifically for the purpose of creating a chess world.
-Roland
[View Quote] Edward Sumerfield wrote in message =
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Just to get my 2 cents in here, my personal preference would be =
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Agreed. This brings up the clickable notification to the bot idea =
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beta.=20
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I like the idea. I assume my bot can login as a tourist to create =
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Further ideas include a bot that remembers players' performance =
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I tend to be an infrastructure chap so I would probably look at =
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This is why you haven't seen any deer wondering about. I am still =
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In fact this was my first thought. I hadn't though about allowing =
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front end. It is already architected with the chess engine and front end =
separate.=20
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-Roland=20
[View Quote] Walter Knupe wrote in message <3671586d.0 at homer>...=20
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right up=20
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clickable=20
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side=20
note, I know we are still in beta.=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE>I think this is easier than it may =
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<BR>any building activity that occurs on the chess board. =
If an=20
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assume my bot can login as a tourist to create the chess pieces in =
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place? I have never tried that.=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE>Further ideas include a bot that remembers =
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players' performance across games <BR>and posts rankings. =
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could conduct tournaments and other group =
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be an infrastructure chap so I would probably look at building a =
Game=20
framework that would support player registration, point tracking and =
display=20
and stuff like that. So I see that as a first step.=20
<P>This is why you haven't seen any deer wondering about. I am still =
building the infrastructure. Doh.=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE>The ultimate bot, of course, would also =
play=20
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opponent.</BLOCKQUOTE>In=20
fact this was my first thought. I hadn't though about allowing two =
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coarse and=20
looks like it could easily be plugged into an AW VR front end. It is =
already=20
architected with the chess engine and front end separate.=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE>That's my vote. Kudos to the first =
person=20
who can implement it. :)=20
<P>-Roland=20
[View Quote] <P>Walter Knupe wrote in message <3671586d.0 at homer>...=20
<BR>>Sounds great, contact Ima Genius to place it in =
AWGames !!=20
<BR>> <BR>>for the movements, i suggest the bot would be =
an=20
"Chess Servant" which has <BR>>an avatar, and moves =
the=20
pieces (and resets the board) and stuff <BR>>personnally. =
<BR>>=20
<BR>>the moves could be by coordinate and by gesture as you =
proposed,=20
or sth <BR>like <BR>>simple <BR>> <BR>>(faber standing =
on the=20
start field) <BR>>faber: "move this piece here=20
daniel" or "move my king to" or =
"move my=20
<BR>king <BR>>side blah to " <BR>>[Daniel]: =
"move the=20
King on B 6 to where, Faber" <BR>>(faber walking to dest =
field)=20
<BR>>faber: "here, daniel" <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>so=20
[Daniel] grabs the king and takes it there. <BR>> <BR>>my =
2 cents.=20
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>Walter <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>Edward=20
Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht =
<366C9E00.2C2704D8 at poboxes.com>...=20
<BR>>>And a cool idea it was. I have downloaded the GNU =
Chess=20
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never know=20
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<BR>>>=20
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ByteMe. I do=20
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not want=20
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(a=20
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<BR>>>>=20
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posted here,=20
<BR>and <BR>>the <BR>>>> > AWAPI, compiled to =
link to the=20
SDK (aw.dll). Start with the first <BR>>Delphi =
<BR>>>> >=20
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working on=20
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<BR>>>> > dean wrote: <BR>>>> > =
<BR>>>>=20
> > > <BR>>>> > > > Go for it Dean.=20
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Ummm? Go for it??? =
hehe....You=20
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Dec 11, 1998, 6:53pm
If the chess pieces are tourist-owned objects, then only tourists could move
them, not a citizen (at least that's what's true on the COF world I experimented
with--as a citizen I get a reproof from the building inspector & the object goes
back to where it was). Since a tourist can't create, move, or delete objects
atop a citizen's land, the chessboard would also need to be tourist-owned, I
think. On at least one COF world, all tourist-built objects have been erased
recently (in reponse to tourist vandalism), so a tourist-based chess game would
also be a kind of momentary event, a chess tournament, here one day and gone the
next.
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> Just to get my 2 cents in here, my personal preference would be for a chess
> bot that let's *you* move the pieces instead of moving them for you. Then
> there's no business of learning the language of the chess bot, you can just
> walk right up and start playing.
>
> I think this is easier than it may sound. You simply make the chess pieces
> tourist owned so
> that anyone can move them. The chess bot then simply tracks and validates
> any building activity that occurs on the chess board. If an illegal move is
> made, the bot moves it back. If someone moves out of turn, the bot moves it
> back. If someone deletes a piece, the bot replaces it. If a moved piece is
> not quite centered on its new square, the bot can center it. The bot can
> also speak a running commentary on the game, even calling out check and
> checkmate situations automatically, and resetting the board back to its
> original state for a new game.
>
> Further ideas include a bot that remembers players' performance across games
> and posts rankings. The bot could conduct tournaments and other group
> events.
>
> The ultimate bot, of course, would also play chess against you itself when
> you can't find an opponent.
>
> That's my vote. Kudos to the first person who can implement it. :)
>
> -Roland
>
[View Quote]> Walter Knupe wrote in message <3671586d.0 at homer>...
> like
> king
> demand
> and
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I hope we don't have to get to entire worlds just for one game. I would
think it would be better for a world like AWGames to run tournaments and
start and stop the games bots as appropriate. Its not like chess is going
to take up much land.
[View Quote]<p>Roland Vilett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Dang...that
is one small detail I forgot about. Bots cannot login as tourists.
However, if they have eminent domain, they can change existing objects
(which they have just built) to tourist ownership, in worlds that do not
have a registry. This is a bit more clumsy, but it would work.</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I
guess I was envisioning this whole application being set up in a world
custom-built just for chess playing. It would be difficult to implement
this in AlphaWorld as I described it.</font></font> <font size=-1>If
someone out there was serious enough about actually making this happen,
it's conceivable that I might be able to convince COF to donate a
small world specifically for the purpose of creating a chess world.</font> <font size=-1>-Roland</font>
<blockquote
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Edward
Sumerfield<ESUMERFD at POBOXES.COM> wrote in message <<a href="mailto:3671781B.AECB3F10 at poboxes.com">3671781B.AECB3F10 at poboxes.com</a>>...Roland
Vilett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE = CITE>Just to get my 2 cents in here, my personal preference
would be for a chess
<br>bot that let's *you* move the pieces instead of moving them for you.
Then
<br>there's no business of learning the language of the chess bot, you
can just
<br>walk right up and start playing.</blockquote>
Agreed. This brings up the clickable notification to the bot idea that
someone mentioned earlier. Just a side note, I know we are still in beta.
<blockquote TYPE = CITE>I think this is easier than it may sound.
You simply make the chess pieces
<br>tourist owned so
<br>that anyone can move them. The chess bot then simply tracks and
validates
<br>any building activity that occurs on the chess board. If an illegal
move is
<br>made, the bot moves it back. If someone moves out of turn, the
bot moves it
<br>back. If someone deletes a piece, the bot replaces it.
If a moved piece is
<br>not quite centered on its new square, the bot can center it.
The bot can
<br>also speak a running commentary on the game, even calling out check
and
<br>checkmate situations automatically, and resetting the board back to
its
<br>original state for a new game.</blockquote>
I like the idea. I assume my bot can login as a tourist to create the chess
pieces in the first place? I have never tried that.
<blockquote TYPE = CITE>Further ideas include a bot that remembers players'
performance across games
<br>and posts rankings. The bot could conduct tournaments and other
group
<br>events.</blockquote>
I tend to be an infrastructure chap so I would probably look at building
a Game framework that would support player registration, point tracking
and display and stuff like that. So I see that as a first step.
<p>This is why you haven't seen any deer wondering about. I am still building
the infrastructure. Doh.
<blockquote TYPE = CITE>The ultimate bot, of course, would also play chess
against you itself when
<br>you can't find an opponent.</blockquote>
In fact this was my first thought. I hadn't though about allowing two people
to play against each other. The GNU chess program is open source of coarse
and looks like it could easily be plugged into an AW VR front end. It is
already architected with the chess engine and front end separate.
<blockquote TYPE = CITE>That's my vote. Kudos to the first person
who can implement it. :)
<p>-Roland
<p>Walter Knupe wrote in message <3671586d.0 at homer>...
<br>>Sounds great, contact Ima Genius to place it in AWGames !!
<br>>
<br>>for the movements, i suggest the bot would be an "Chess Servant" which
has
<br>>an avatar, and moves the pieces (and resets the board) and stuff
<br>>personnally.
<br>>
<br>>the moves could be by coordinate and by gesture as you proposed, or
sth
<br>like
<br>>simple
<br>>
<br>>(faber standing on the start field)
<br>>faber: "move this piece here daniel" or "move my king
to" or "move my
<br>king
<br>>side blah to "
<br>>[Daniel]: "move the King on B 6 to where, Faber"
<br>>(faber walking to dest field)
<br>>faber: "here, daniel"
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>so [Daniel] grabs the king and takes it there.
<br>>
<br>>my 2 cents.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>Walter
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht <366C9E00.2C2704D8 at poboxes.com>...
<br>>>And a cool idea it was. I have downloaded the GNU Chess already.
Give me a
<br>>month or
<br>>>two and you never know what might happen.
<br>>>
<br>>>dean wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>>> I will just ask ImaGenius or ByteMe. I do not have
fond memories of
<br>>>> programming and do not want to mess with it.
I posted in hopes that i
<br>>could
<br>>>> perhaps give somebody a good idea to work on, because games are
in
<br>demand
<br>>and I
<br>>>> would like to see them done.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Canopus wrote:
<br>>>>
<br>>>> > If you understand Pascal (a little, anyway), try checking out
the
<br>>Delphi
<br>>>> > (Object Pascal) threads. The Sample Programs have been posted
here,
<br>and
<br>>the
<br>>>> > AWAPI, compiled to link to the SDK (aw.dll). Start with the first
<br>>Delphi
<br>>>> > thread (10/1/98). There are a number of Pascal programmers working
on
<br>>SDK
<br>>>> > bots.
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> > dean wrote:
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> > > >
<br>>>> > > > Go for it Dean.
<br>>>> > >
<br>>>> > > Ummm? Go for it??? hehe....You
forget so soon that I said I
<br>>don't
<br>>>> > > even have a clue about the first bit of code in C++ or any
<br>>programming
<br>>>> > > language beyond Pascal, and even minimal introductory stuff
there.
<br>>>> > >
<br>>>> > > I was brining up the suggestion so someone who DOES know how
to do
<br>>such
<br>>>> > > a thing could "go for it".
<br>>>> > >
<br>>>> > > Dean
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>></blockquote>
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Dec 11, 1998, 11:09pm
Hi all I run AWTech and if you have happend across a little building to the
north of GZ that has a sign saying Top Secret bot under development that
area has been designated as the chess board building. I wasn't going to say
anything till I had a working prototype built and running but I guess since
it's a popular thing now I guess I better blow the cover :) The release was
planned for Jan. But I dunno about that since I have lots of school projects
taking up loads of my time. Just wanted to tell everyone so you know it's
been thought of and has been acted upon :) I have the coordinate system all
done and the board setup routine almost done. The initial release will hold
the players to there word about moves because I wanna get it out there
before 99 is over ;) The move checking will be added to the bot after the
initial release but I think just the basic bot is enough to wet ones
appitite :)
Dec 22, 1998, 2:24am
ChessBot is no more I have almost no time to devote to it at the present
time the building will stay incase the idea is re kindeled but for now it's
not even smoldering :(
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