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is this true?....
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is this true?.... // New Users
Post by jackspicer // Mar 8, 2009, 10:39am
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i heard rumor that if you creates characters using any modeling softwares... you have to sign some kind of contract of ownership and release with them or else the software makers own your models, games and etc...
is this true? it would totally suck if truespace have the owning rite to all my creations...
just wanna make sure is this is true.... some 3d artist said something like this.. |
Post by jrboddie // Mar 8, 2009, 11:01am
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Not true.. |
Post by v3rd3 // Mar 8, 2009, 11:02am
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Not the case at all Jack. I am sure you will get an official response but if you read the TS license etc you will not find anything committing what you create to Caligari or MS. |
Post by RichLevy // Mar 8, 2009, 11:50am
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All content you create in TS is your own. Motions, characters, objects, renders, scripts... not sure who told you that, I know I have read at least one time the same words from TomG here on these forums (it's in the licience also).
The only exception is resale of the content and motions that comes with the program.
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Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 8, 2009, 11:54am
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Depends on the license of your software. Most "education" or "learning" editions do have that restriction, but commercial and pro versions don't -- this is true for Microsoft (Office, Visual Studio), Adobe (Photoshop,etc.), Autodesk (Max/Maya), etc.
TrueSpace comes will a full commercial license so you own and can sell any work you do in TrueSpace.
Always make sure you read the license agreement on your software before using it to undertake a commercial project.
Edit: Good point Rich. The content included with TrueSpace can be used in your own works royalty-free but the license doesn't allow you to re-distribute it unmodified. |
Post by v3rd3 // Mar 8, 2009, 1:36pm
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TG that the TS license does not contain all the restrictions in Office et al..... |
Post by splinters // Mar 8, 2009, 3:34pm
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The content included with TrueSpace can be used in your own works royalty-free but the license doesn't allow you to re-distribute it unmodified.
Mmm, wonder what happens if the content WAS yours originally...
Never did look into that. I gave 'informal'* permission for the Ducati model to be used by Caligari when tS7 was launched but do Microsoft now own a model they never purchased because of a goodwill gesture?
* By informal I am not suggesting anything underhand has taken place only that there was no contract or agreement, just a line in an email. |
Post by spacekdet // Mar 8, 2009, 7:12pm
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Forgive me, it had to be done.
18809 |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 8, 2009, 7:15pm
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Good question. I think it depends. ;) But in your case you're probably fine Splinters since you were in the original artist, an exclusivity contract wasn't signed, and you're using the one you created not the one that came with the software.
I have the somewhat similar situation with the Viperfish intellectual property. Tom has given me the ok to continue to use it for my own work though. So if you're worried about it, probably good to shoot Tom an e-mail so that you have something "in writing".
Mainly what we're talking about being a problem is people downloading the software and redistributing the library objects and claiming the work as their own. Something that is morally wrong and a blacklisting offense in the industry anyway. |
Post by v3rd3 // Mar 8, 2009, 7:49pm
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Mmm, wonder what happens if the content WAS yours originally...
Never did look into that. I gave 'informal'* permission for the Ducati model to be used by Caligari when tS7 was launched but do Microsoft now own a model they never purchased because of a goodwill gesture?
* By informal I am not suggesting anything underhand has taken place only that there was no contract or agreement, just a line in an email.
Nope.... unless there is some kind of employment contract or formal sale your generosity was at best a loan of your copyrighted work. |
Post by v3rd3 // Mar 8, 2009, 7:50pm
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Mainly what we're talking about being a problem is people downloading the software and redistributing the library objects and claiming the work as their own. Something that is morally wrong and a blacklisting offense in the industry anyway.
May they be taken hence and buried in a pit of itchy leaves and vinegar.... :p |
Post by splinters // Mar 9, 2009, 12:35am
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Cheers guys, it's not a problem but I like Caligari and was happy to donate something to help tS users. Microsoft however, are a large and wealthy company and it would stick in my throat a bit to think they had the fruits of my labour for nowt!!
Still, no harm done. |
Post by TomG // Mar 9, 2009, 2:56am
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On the original question, it would depend on the software you are referring to and the version of the license, so since you didn't ask about tS specifically, I will say to go check the license of the software you are using.
For tS, anything you create, so long as it isn't a derivative work from included tS content, you can do anything you like with it. Just as you own what you paint in Photoshop, what you make with a screwdriver, etc. If you make a model from scratch in tS, then you can sell the model, make movies with it and sell the movies, make still images with it and sell those, etc. You own it all.
For derivative content, you would need to be more careful. If you were to modify Paul's Ducati model a bit and go ahead and sell it, that would not be the same thing at all as working with a model you made from scratch. My advice is that if you want to profit from anything, start from scratch :)
Also if you want to give something away for free, be sure not to include other work from the package. Again while we can distribute the tS content to all who want it for free with tS, that doesn't mean anyone else can go ahead and distribute it separately without tS, as part of their own products even if those products are free.
On the Ducati model, there was no transfer of rights - Paul remains the holder of all the rights on the model, and simply allowed the model to be included for distribution with tS. Caligari never took ownership of that model.
But again on the original question, if you model something in tS from scratch, then you do indeed own all rights to it, and neither Caligari nor Microsoft has any claim on what you have made. You are free to give away, sell, distribute etc your models as you please!
HTH!
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Post by marcel // Mar 9, 2009, 3:09am
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The only creations that you can not sell are your children! Fortunately, It is prohibited! :D |
Post by splinters // Mar 9, 2009, 4:17am
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The only creations that you can not sell are your children! Fortunately, It is prohibited! :D
Mmmm...I'd better cancel that eBay listing then...;) |
Post by Johny // Mar 9, 2009, 4:25am
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Mmmm...I'd better cancel that eBay listing then...;)Lated! I just put my order 2 hours ago. :D |
Post by RichLevy // Mar 11, 2009, 12:46pm
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Something to Consider...
If you want to ADD to someone's reputation, you click that check box (I agree), if you want to take away from their reputation you click the (I disagree) check box and they will get this nasty little black box to go with your message to them and the link to the thread you disapprove of :)
Thanks for the negative reps. :(
Rich |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 11, 2009, 1:39pm
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Not sure what was in your post to cause someone to give negative reps, Rich. :( That's odd... anyway it's good to explain the rep system since it doesn't get much use on this forum -- +1 rep from me. :) |
Post by frootee // Mar 11, 2009, 1:59pm
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CHING!
Another point for ya Rich! :) |
Post by spacekdet // Mar 11, 2009, 2:18pm
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I especially enjoy the ones that grant a negative rep, yet also contain a positive message! Covers all the bases (http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/) that way, I guess. |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 11, 2009, 2:31pm
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Got the same black point from helping and a positive comment...
He just doesnt know how it works....;)
I dont think he did it on purpose.... the system isnt explained and isnt clear.. |
Post by Nez // Mar 12, 2009, 12:16am
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Agreed - it should be included in the FAQ somewhere or just deactivated entirely as it's not used widely enough here to be meaningful anyway. On other forums I've seen it abused in any case, so its usually of little relevance even when it is used....
Personally, I don't think I've received any 'rep' in my time here and don't remember giving any either as it ddn't look like anyone was using it. It seems in this instance, someone has either misunderstood or is just making a deliberate nuisance of themselves, as there was nothing unhelpful or in any other way desrving of negative rep points in Rich's post...
Can some of the moderators dicuss turning it off or posting a thread to explain its proper use...? (which gets linked to the FAQ) |
Post by RichLevy // Mar 12, 2009, 3:37am
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Yes there was a nice little thankyou for helping comment also. I left the message because I think his intent was to leave a positive comment and a +1 rep. I'm not concerned about good or bad reps (I make my share of negative comments :) ), but I get so few reps, I hate to loose any :D. If it were not for Roman I would not have very many, he padded my score one day (Ahhh, the truth is out )
Thanks Jack and Froo, I feel kinda silly, I was not looking for more green dots, just less black ones :D
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Post by RichLevy // Mar 12, 2009, 3:43am
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Ok, you guys are insane... I was just looking to keep my lowly 18 point rep, now I am at 37... wayyyy tooooo many....
No more positive reps!!!!!
Please, no more.
Thnaks to all that shot some points to me, way to generous though.
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