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Disappearing workspace
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Disappearing workspace // Archive: Tech Forum
Post by splinters // Apr 6, 2008, 7:57am
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Despite having a decent card (7900gt) and latest WHQL drivers I am finding that the workspae display keeps disappearing. Usually when trying to rotate the view or other function. It keeps disappearing leaving a blank screen..usually the background colour. All the UI and tools are there-just the actual 3D display part. I can run in wireframe no problem and this ran sweet on my old ATi 9800 Pro with full settings...so why not this much better card?
Any ideas what might be causing this or a fix? I am trying to migrate to workspace now but I cannot work with 'in the dark'. |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 6, 2008, 8:00am
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Maybe the new card disabled DX acceleration or some other setting when you installed it? Check the DX settings in the Control Panel and see if hardware acceleration is checked. |
Post by splinters // Apr 6, 2008, 8:17am
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Yup, all seems fine James. I get the full, textured, lit display but it keeps disappearing. Sometimes it flickers on and off, sometimes disappears for a while.
I had the card in when I was on XP, then Vista, now SP1. |
Post by trueBlue // Apr 6, 2008, 8:24am
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Enable Bloom in Post Processing and see if that helps. |
Post by splinters // Apr 6, 2008, 8:48am
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Yup, Blue, that stops the flickering/disappearing but is not easy on the eye when modelling...:o |
Post by trueBlue // Apr 6, 2008, 8:54am
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You should be able to make adjustments in PostProcessing and get satifactory results. I have the same problem with Vista 32 and 8800GT. :( |
Post by Jack Edwards // Apr 6, 2008, 12:47pm
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I've seen it as well. It seems that all drivers after 163.75 have this problem. :( |
Post by brotherx // Apr 7, 2008, 5:46am
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turn the plane to wireframe and the problem goes away. I noticed it when I had to reset the view and it went back to being solid. |
Post by Mitch // Apr 8, 2008, 6:06am
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What I do not understand is why has this problem popped up now?
Is there some network connection with Caligari where changes are occurring in how trueSpace works? What is the copy protection methods used with trueSpace? Is this causing a problem?
I have not had this disappearing workspace problem until two days ago.
I have made no changes to my system.
I'm using a 8800GTX card and Vista 64bit system.
TrueSpace 7.51 has become unusable. |
Post by Mitch // Apr 8, 2008, 6:26am
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Thank heavens for the tip on setting Bloom in Post Processing.
Things are now much better. This still does not explain how this problem popped up in the first place when everything was once working. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Apr 8, 2008, 6:39am
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Could be that Vista auto updated your video driver. |
Post by Mitch // Apr 8, 2008, 6:50am
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Jack it was your help when I needed a beating that got me back to trueSpace. Things were going great until the disappearing workspace problem occurred.
I spent hours looking for a solution. The reason it took so long is I did not know where Bloom was activated, a tip for solving the problem.
Anyway I am now very happy with trueSpace once again, thanks to this forum. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Apr 8, 2008, 6:54am
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You're welcome Mitch! :D
These forums are the reason that I decided to stay with TS back when 6.6 came out instead of going to Maya or XSI. They are definitely one of the best selling points for TrueSpace. ;) |
Post by trueBlue // Apr 8, 2008, 6:55am
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Could be that Vista auto updated your video driver.
Yep I remember I got BSD in Vista from that one! Good tip would be to deactivate that one. |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 8, 2008, 6:43pm
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There are several ways this could happen which spring to mind (remembering that these are just guesses.
Firstly, if your graphics card software is set to receive automatic updates you may have received new drivers or updated graphics management software.
Second - your latest scene may have a shader with extreme settings that the graphics card cannot interpret.
It's quite likely these explanations are totally incorrect and it's something else causing the sudden problem - hopefully someone more PC savvy than me will come in and set us straight! |
Post by brotherx // Apr 14, 2008, 10:06pm
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Guys, try the new Beta drivers. I was having a nightmare of a time with Vista and then installed the 174 drivers and the video card stopped responding message has appeared to have gone away. Basically, I can use TrueSpace without it going crazy thanks to vista...and the need for bloom has gone.
The only thing I noticed is that I was getting small artifacts when doing a real-time render...tiny little black squares - not many like. I don't have the files handy but I'll maybe post one later.
I spent the rest of last night trying to find my Pinnacle Studio disk so I could install Liquid again to stitch the files together.... :D found the disk but by then it was crazy o'clock. |
Post by kena // Apr 15, 2008, 6:25pm
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yep I went to the NVIDIA web site and told it to look for better drivers - It had one to recommend, I installed it and was able to run 544 frames of animation to the real-time render without a single problem.
I last looked for drivers about a month ago, and it didn't have any to work with... looks like NVIDIA has updated some things. |
Post by splinters // Apr 15, 2008, 9:23pm
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That last set of Beta's (174.74) are great for me in tS7.5 running on Vista. Thanks Tom.
Have this.
:banana: |
Post by TomG // Apr 16, 2008, 1:29am
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Woohoo ty for the banana :)
Yes I'm seeing quite the difference with 174.74 too.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by brotherx // Apr 16, 2008, 1:56am
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Are you guys getting little black squares (around 2-3 pixels square) appearing on your models with the driver?
Just want to check... |
Post by splinters // Apr 16, 2008, 3:27am
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Not so far, but I have often found artefacts such as that to be a hardware problem such as overclocking/overheating or bad ram. I could be wrong but worth checking. I had similar things happening playing Bioshock. I put a large desk fan on the GPU and it stopped. |
Post by TomG // Apr 16, 2008, 4:23am
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Can't say I've noticed black squares anywhere - can you post a screenshot? EDIT - just saw the siggie with the card in it. Anyone else using a 7x series card? I think splinters is, so probably not an issue with the particular card but worth checking. PS - also you say when doing a real-time render, is it only when saving to file? Havent done much of that since installing the drivers. Or does it show in the real-time view?
Thanks!
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Post by splinters // Apr 16, 2008, 5:39am
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I do have a similar setup: Athlon X2 6000, 4gb Ram and Geforce 7900GT.
No such problems yet but I will investigate...:D |
Post by brotherx // Apr 16, 2008, 9:52pm
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Thanks Guys. Thing is, even though it messed up with the older drivers, it never gave me those black squares. I meant to get a still and post it.
As far as I can tell, the GPU temp is well below the safe temperature limit and I have 2 12cm and 2 9cm fans one of each as intake fans and the others out around the processor and GPU.
I've just ordered an artic cooler as my machine is noisy, cpu cooler for sure and it should help. |
Post by brotherx // Apr 24, 2008, 9:17am
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Excuse the delay in putting this up...
the little black spec is about 4 pixels in size..;.it appears roughly every 5-6 frames in the animation. |
Post by hodge1815 // Jul 27, 2008, 11:47am
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Having worked happily with TST 3.2 for many years, I downloaded TST 7.6 last Friday 25 July with eager anticipation. I have since then spent many hours trying to get a feel for this quirky, cantankerous system.
I now delete default.ctx before loading (thank you splinters) and TST no longer freezes on start-up. My major problem now is the disappearing workspace. Even with a simple object like a torus built in model space, workspace shows a black triangle with a blue border. After hunting for hours, I found the Library Browser and Render to Texture and Post-Processor. Another hour and I found the Settings tab allows you to turn on Bloom. But no joy. Then more searching in order to turn the background to Wire Grid. Still no joy with workspace.
Frustration level in now high. I would appreciate any suggestions for accessing workspace.
(Windows XP prof, AMD 2800+, 2GHz, 1 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 6200) |
Post by Jack Edwards // Jul 27, 2008, 11:57am
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This is a driver issue with nVidia cards. The 175.19 and 177.66 drivers appear to solve this issue.
For older video cards like the 6 series cards in use in XP, you may want to go back to pre-Vista drivers which will give you better performance anyway. For my laptop (6600go) I use 84.15 drivers.
Basically though you're probably going to have to either use one of the two beta drivers listed above or hunt through back drivers to find one that doesn't have the bug. |
Post by hodge1815 // Jul 28, 2008, 2:58am
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I installed 175.19 and workspace is back !
I can now start to make some models.
Thanks, Jack |
Post by Jack Edwards // Jul 28, 2008, 7:54am
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Awesome! Great news Hodge! Glad you're up and running. :) |
Post by notejam // Jul 30, 2008, 6:22am
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How fast is your computer? I am suspecting its not fast enough, or your graphics card is not. exit truespace7.6 then restart it, but this time hold down the control key. Make a note of the settings you will see so you can reset them. Try running in openGl mode by checking that option. Opengl mode runs a lot faster for me. Its not the best mode, but probably will give you quite a speed increase, and that might give time for those black squares to be rendered correctly.
Also you might try changing to a lower screen resolution than you currently have, which I think would give a speed up of rendering. |
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