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Stability list // Archive: Tech Forum
Post by rrf // Apr 4, 2008, 5:58am
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I have an interesting question for long time TS users - From, say, TS2 on up to TS7.5, a list in order of stability - starting with the version with the best on down to the worst.
Thank you,
rf |
Post by Steinie // Apr 4, 2008, 6:21am
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Seriously?
TS2 Ok but buggy
TS 3 buggy crashed often
TS 4.0 Very Buggy
TS 4.1 Buggy Crashed often
TS 4.3 Buggy Crashed less often
TS 5 never tried
TS 6,6 never tried
TS 7.0 buggy crashed often
TS 7.1 fixed some bugs ("Tiles NO Bug Fixes?")
TS 7.51 Model side (6.6) buggy PE
TS 7.51 WorkSpace side bugs in certain areas but overall very good. I rarely crash anymore.
Edit: I noticed you requested best to worst so flip this one upside down. |
Post by Emmanuel // Apr 4, 2008, 6:52am
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TrueSpace7.51 Modeler is the most stable version ever, as long as Bridge is kept off.
I can't give a general feedback like Steinie did, because with experience I've learned the weakness of each version. I can't talk for tS2 though as I was a hobbyist at this time and crashes were part of the fun :D
tS 4.3 was stable in most conditions, although I remember boolean was leading to crash at random, so you had to save before every boolean operation.
In tS 6, there was a crash when painting big objects larger than the view ; this one has been fixed by the new tS 7 memory management.
Only remains some possible crashes in PE mode when you start to edit impossible geometries or try to heal imported meshes from other file formats, so all in all I would say that today trueSpace is a reliable as all the other big boy apps. |
Post by hemulin // Apr 4, 2008, 10:05am
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tS 4.3 was stable in most conditions, although I remember boolean was leading to crash at random, so you had to save before every boolean operation.
I remember that well. :rolleyes:
I agree with Emmanuel that tS7.51 modeler is the most stable but only when the bridge is turned off. So for me its:
7.51 - modeler
6.6 - (crashed at annoying times, like just half way through creating a scene for the tS6 Demo competition and without the ability to save....arrgh)
4.3
3.1 |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 4, 2008, 10:26am
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Haven't been a user as long as some, but have used tS3, 5.1? or whatever it was, 6.6 and 7.5.
The first two mentioned I didn't use that much, but they did crash quite a bit.
tS6.6 had the ability to hang up and freeze or crash to the desktop with no explanation and as others have said, usually right in the middle of a project when you haven't saved for the last 30 minutes. :) |
Post by hultek43 // Apr 4, 2008, 1:45pm
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I reserve the right to comment at a later time, but probably won't then either ;). |
Post by Tiles // Apr 4, 2008, 9:18pm
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TS 7.1 fixed some bugs ("Tiles NO Bug Fixes?")
Ah, got me :)
At least in the first moment ;)
The gaps between the releases are too big. And with 7.51 Caligari fell back into the old behaviour. One year is gone. And i sit here at a bundle of broken features.
Caligari always prefered to throw in new features over delivering bugfixes. Some bugs always made it into the new version because of it. Some old features got broken by the transfer to the new version. And the new features came with new bugs. The fact that there is no completely proper working TS version is the proof that something goes wrong with this method of handling the bugfixes. At least i know of no TS version that has all catched and reported bugs fixed. Tell me just one ;)
Final bugfixes came and comes with new version. But these bugfixes never made it into a patch for the older version where these bugfixes are needed. Never. <--- that's where my opinion comes from that Caligari never delivers bugfixes. It throws out two or three patches for the most disturbing bugs at the start of the new development cycle. But then simply doesn't care anymore, no matter how much bugs gets reported and how loud the crowd cries. And that's why no really proper working TS version is around. Which is a shame in my opinion.
Good example is 6.6 and TS 7 Modeler. I can crash 6.6 with a few ways to desktop. No fixes for that in 6.6. But some of those bugs are nevertheless fixed in Modeler, which is the proof that these bugs can be fixed. Unfortunately the circle closes here: Some old features got broken by the transfer to the new version. What makes the Modeler for me obsolete. Motion Studio has its problems here. And the old bones system is finally broken. Plus a few other finally broken features and new bugs. So it doesn't help me that much that the Modeler is super stable now. It is broken at the ends i need. And gets not fixed. Caligari doesn't care anymore.
I definitely prefer 6.6 over 7, 7.01, 7.5 and 7.51 Modeler because of that. And of course because of the fact that i just start one app with 6.6 and not three apps with 7, which acts spongy by that. The new core, well, Workspace is simply too buggy for me. I really tried. But cannot get anything useful out of it because of the bugs. I always had to open 6.6 to get my work done.
Listed by appearing and useage:
TS1 - ah, the first steps. Pretty stable from what i remember.
TS3 - lovely little app. Most stuff worked. No bones though ...
TS4.3 - save often, save very often. And use a good desktop wallpaper. You will see it often ... Nevertheless my favourite for years.
TS 5 skipped after testing the demo. Couldn't get it to work.
TS 6.6 without SP2 and at an old machine with not enough ram - Save often, argh ...
TS 6.6 SP2 with a gig ram and up - Aha, the ram, now most problems are gone. My favourite. Even when i know more than one way to crash this baby.
TS 7.01 - A TS 6.7 with broken bone systems plus tech preview of the new core.
TS 7.5 - A TS 6.7 with broken bone systems plus too many half implemented and not working tools in the workspace.
TS 7.51 - A TS 6.7 with broken bone systems plus still too many half implemented and not working tools in the workspace. This Fix didn't help that much. |
Post by brotherx // Apr 7, 2008, 6:45am
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I have to say that I only got 5.2 I think but didn't use it at all because there was a great upgrade to 6.6 and got that right away.
IMHO, 6.6 was fairly stable on XP, but on vista was a nightmare to use
7.5 was very unstable.
7.51 is very stable with the occasional crash but as long as you run it on XP in my experience. I don't think that it was trueSpace so much as vista and the driver shut down issues.
I have weird problems on the model side of 7.51 where I try to rotate and it goes wrong. Not tried it without the bridge - well, did once and it confused the hell out of me but liked the fact I could have a different model and workspace scene open at the same time... |
Post by v3rd3 // Apr 7, 2008, 4:13pm
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6.6 always seemed to crash the second I forgot what I had done to get something right.
Failing memory aside I have used TS since 6.6 and my PC is not a machine worth bragging about. Most of the frustration I experience is from my hardware constraints, not the software. 7.1 and 7.5 were simply progressions to 7.51 which as others have pointed out has the most overall stability. I think there have been major efficiencies gained inside the code as some of the models I am working on are the ones that crashed the cpu in 6.6. |
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