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Question for New TS Users.
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Question for New TS Users. // Roundtable
Post by prodigy // Mar 20, 2009, 8:37am
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Hi new TS users.. I like to know how many of you are learning and working with Workspace side... And how many of you are learning on Model Side.. and how many of you use Both sides..
Thanks :) |
Post by Weevil // Mar 20, 2009, 9:25am
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Oh...it's NEW users, well that means that I can't try and rig up the voting.
My guess? Workspace side mostly, considering that's what loads up when you first boot TS up...and what is easier to play around with ebcause of fewer buttons and better graphics.
On the other hand...modelside is just much mroe comfortable for the old users, and just that I think, if you notice only old users use Modelside...just another indication TS is evolving around us... |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 20, 2009, 6:26pm
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Oh...it's NEW users, well that means that I can't try and rig up the voting.
My guess? Workspace side mostly, considering that's what loads up when you first boot TS up...and what is easier to play around with ebcause of fewer buttons and better graphics.
On the other hand...modelside is just much mroe comfortable for the old users, and just that I think, if you notice only old users use Modelside...just another indication TS is evolving around us...
Hmmn! Good point Weevil. I don't really get the "either/or" thing that goes on with model/tS6.6 versus Workspace - I use both extensively though I probably do model more in Workspace. To me using only one 'side' of tS is like using only one hand when we have two hands.
Of course there's no 'right' way or 'wrong' way, there's just the way that works best for each user. :) |
Post by splinters // Mar 21, 2009, 11:24am
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Can't vote (not new) but hardly use workspace. Main reasons: incomplete toolset and years of assets built up in old format as well as more familiarity (and therefore speed) in that side.
Oh and did I mention I actually like Lightworks?? |
Post by nigec // Mar 21, 2009, 11:42am
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In regards to TS7.6 I'm new but as far as TS goes over the years not so new.. but I'm with Splinter with this one, I never use workspace, I just don't have the need to, I'm quite happy in modelside, Lightworks does the job |
Post by tatts // Mar 21, 2009, 11:52am
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Well i used gamespace for a while, but TS 7.6 is new to me as I did'nt have it before it went free.
Up till a couple days ago i was using the model mostly cause myself I already knew the UI as well, but after playing with WS for the last couple days, I very much doubt i'll be doing as much modeling with the model side any more.
There is just too much about the ws side that makes modelling so much more pleasant for me than the model side ever has. To me the ws side is not all that different than the model side, I mean it does look different. But really it has the same ideas as the model side. it's just far easier and more stable to work with.
Just today I tried the uv mapper, Within one minute of using it, I can already see a MAJOR improvment to the mapper. So much that I think it is even easier to use than ultimate unwrap. For me i can finally kick ultimate unwrap aside and start using the mapper on the WS side of TS. which is a releaf, cause for me to use Ultimate unwrap I have to transfer my models to another pc. I can't get it to run on Vista.
In all, im very glad i gave the WS side a go. |
Post by JimB // Mar 21, 2009, 12:15pm
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for me to use Ultimate unwrap I have to transfer my models to another pc. I can't get it to run on Vista.
Very strange I have no trouble whatsoever running UUwrap 3d on Vista.
There is just too much about the ws side that makes modelling so much more pleasant for me than the model side ever has.
Statements like that will certainly be appreciated :) |
Post by tatts // Mar 21, 2009, 12:38pm
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"Very strange I have no trouble whatsoever running UUwrap 3d on Vista."
It could be that im just using the older version, version 2 but no matter what I try i can't get it to work. I even tried the demo for the new version and have no luck with that one either. I have a couple programs that I used to use all the time, but can't anymore cause of vista issues.
I even tried to play the TS videos, But my PC will not play them, it says im missing some codec but when i looked for it, I found that the codec is only supported up to XP. |
Post by JimB // Mar 21, 2009, 12:48pm
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I am using UUwrap 3 pro but I'm sure 2.0 worked as well,you could try setting the UUwrap exe to use win XP compatability.
Regarding viewing videos you do need to d/l and install a Vista codec pack.
http://www.free-codecs.com/Vista_Codec_Package_download.htm |
Post by tatts // Mar 21, 2009, 1:14pm
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I went to the site and tried absolutely everything. I ran it in every compatibility mode, turn of the DEP, turn off the UAC, I did everything. the only thing I was not able to do,,,,was set the program to run as administrator. for some reason it is blocked out in grey and will not allow me to tick it. every other program i have does'nt give me this problem.
It does'nt matter though, As I said, I found the mapper on WS side of TS to be even easier than UUwrap so I will be using that for now on anyway. I'm just glad I thought finally to try it cause I just saved myself from paying for an upgrade to UUwrap 3 pro. :)
Thanks for the link to the codec :) |
Post by JimB // Mar 21, 2009, 1:20pm
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the only thing I was not able to do,,,,was set the program to run as administrator. for some reason it is blocked out in grey and will not allow me to tick it. every other program i have does'nt give me this problem.
Thats odd,but if you're happy with that then ok. |
Post by tatts // Mar 21, 2009, 1:53pm
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Yes it is odd, that's for sure. it's blocked out in grey for the demo of the new version as well. this is the first and only program i have that will not allow to tick to run as admin and not sure why. But in any case i still have the old version installed on my other pc and if I choose to upgrade later, then atleast i can still run it on my other pc.
As of earlier, I just found the mapper in WS to be a blessing, specially comparing to the mapper in 6.6 which is why I started using UUwrap in the first place. With the mapper in ws it works the same as UUwrap, you select the faces from the model then use the planer to map it out. except now the faces actually STAY selected after you map them. It did'nt always do this with 6.6 plus sometimes when you click the planer it sometimes causes an error and ends up planning out the whole model where you have to start all over again. This is actually why I stopped using it and started using UUwrap. |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 21, 2009, 4:28pm
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After revisiting this thread and checking the poll results I noticed a few voters there who can hardly be considerd 'new' - so I added my vote too (both sides).
I'm something of a home handyman and in my toolbox out in the garage I have a kit full of drill bits. It opens like a small suitcase and on one side are wood working drill bits, on the other are metal and masonry drill bits. Depending on the job I'm doing I simp-ly select the drill bit that best suits - regardless of which side of the box it is on.
It's common for me to model in Workspace and render in LW. You just need to be cautious crossing the bridge.
Oh yeah, I'm rapt to see people singing the praises of the workspace UV editor - I think it's brilliant. Simple to use (well, as simple as UV gets anyway), stable efficient, it provides perfect and total control of setting UV coordinates. For those of you still modeling only in Model side I suggest it's worth taking your model across the bridge just for WorkSpaces UV editor!
I suggest throwing this poll open to all users, not just new ones. |
Post by nealiosnoise // Mar 21, 2009, 4:42pm
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i use workspace side mostly, but im getting to learn model side, i think its shows me where workspace is coming from,
i hope truespace becomes one sided. how about making workspace with all the tools from model?! and even more and more tools..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Post by CdeB // Mar 22, 2009, 1:00am
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This is probably shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, but if Prodigy really did want to poll new users and I can think of one reason for that (see below) his purpose has already been thwarted by anybody who isn't new voting:(
Polling new users would be a good way of finding out the accessiblity of the different sides of trueSpace with people who come with a 'clean sheet of paper'.
To me this would be a really interesting thing to know...as my prejudice is that actually Model side is easier to get up and go with than workspace (more intuitive and better work flow -ignoring broken tools;)) and that is not just because of the lack of tools in Workspace...but I am prejudiced;). New users don't have that bias. Personally, I think trueSpace is harder to learn in this current state than if it were all model side OR all workspace side....but this is old territory. The pity is that the move from one to the other has gone on 'slo-mo' and the Captain has left the Bridge...(in terms of communication on the Blogg) I have no doubt Roman (+ team) is working incredibly hard as always..:)
If old users could refrain, I think this poll could be really informative:D and help steer Caligari in the right direction
PS I guess he can still get the information he needs by looking up who voted where, but that introduces a extra level of work for him...:( |
Post by Weevil // Mar 22, 2009, 2:17am
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Second all the above |
Post by Steinie // Mar 22, 2009, 2:50am
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The poll should have stated you've NEVER used tS version 6.6 or any earlier version before.
Since long term users ARE voting why not open it to everybody now? I think this might turn out to be an even vote across the board. Just by the names I can get results regardless of who votes. We all know the long term users by now.
We already knew Jack and myself use workSpace(and should be stoned)(no drug jokes please), Wizard uses both (and can't read poll rules) and Emmanuel is loyal to the Modeler side (and eats with a fork).:D |
Post by RichLevy // Mar 22, 2009, 3:21am
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I was not going to vote but I saw many older names in the group, so I threw a vote for my favorite side of the program (WS)...
I doubt if many new user's would be voting, it's touch enough getting them here and registering.
Rich |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 22, 2009, 6:47am
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About the problem with UU3D not working on Vista, do you have OpenGL installed?
I went ahead a voted also. If you click on the number where the votes are, it'll show who voted. |
Post by Finis // Mar 22, 2009, 10:58am
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Since the voters' names are shown on the poll the results for new users only could still be determined.
I'm not voting since I'm not a new user.
When workspace is finished then I'll learn it, compare it to other programs, and use it for whatever it is best at or best fits my style. It is finished when there is only workspace -- no bridge and no model side.
Based on what I've heard I look forward to these features (whether they work now or not): high speed DX renders, better physics, UV mapper is good (?), it seems possible to animate a character with bones and skin. |
Post by tatts // Mar 22, 2009, 12:01pm
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About the problem with UU3D not working on Vista, do you have OpenGL installed?
To be honest im not really sure, I would think not cause i use direct x for just about everything. Im sure my card and pc will support openGL though,
im using a pent dual core, 1.8 ghrz with an nvidia 9600 gt 512 mg. |
Post by marcel // Mar 22, 2009, 12:49pm
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At first I worked with both sides. But I need the model size for various professional reasons (dx shader are not sophisticated enough, plugins, render offline,layer,...). I put the bridge "off" and working on the model size when the scenes are complex. From thousands objets there is a problem when the bridge is on:
-Bridge on: scene size 72 megas - time to load the scene 24 seconds.
-bridge off: scene size 18 megas - time to load the scene 2 seconds.
-real time workspace with bridge "on" slower than model size with bridge "off". (ram?)
-more crash with bridge "on".
-enormous problems of texturs with bridge "on".
I think the bridge "on" is good for simple scene but not for complex scene (no problems with numbers of vertices, but problems with thousands objets and complex hierarchy).
for all these reasons I use the news tool of the workspace to do objets and i work the full scene on model size with bridge off. professional requirements are differents than use for fun.
I will use the workspace when there will no longer need to have 2 mixed software. I will not use TS8 for my job if my professional requirements will not be satisfied in the next version even if this program is fantastic (I keep the 7.6 for my old work). I am waiting to see what happens before judging. |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 22, 2009, 1:22pm
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The poll should have stated you've NEVER used tS
Wizard uses both (and can't read poll rules)
And wiz says we can also vote so we dont read poll rules either...:D |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 22, 2009, 8:28pm
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Rules shmules! There's no such thing as rules in a universe that runs on quantum uncertainty! Entropy ain't what it used to be :D
Actually I saw that Mr Bones (our resident skeleton in the closet) had voted and he's hardly a newcomer and I followed his lead. |
Post by spacekdet // Mar 22, 2009, 8:49pm
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I didn't see this option so I didn't vote:
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Post by Nez // Mar 23, 2009, 12:43am
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Well I'm no new user either, so I didn't vote, but it's no secret I'm still entirely on Model side (and actually still using 5.1 for a few tools which I find slightly easier there).
In part this is because I'm mostly pretty happy with the old toolset and layout etc - the few things I'd change haven't really been addressed yet anyway (from what I gather from other experienced users). But to compound that, I can't currently use workspace anyway due to hardware isues, so I can't give it a 'fair shot' - but think I'd take some convincing, being an 'entrenched' model-side user.... |
Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 23, 2009, 11:15am
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Stuff it I aint new either, but I never used 6.6 so I voted workspace all the way for me.
Got on the TS train for where it was going not where it had been.
Shame the guy shovelling the coal has a bad back though :D
IK |
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