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goober king

Jul 18, 2001, 1:25am
To Whom It May Concern...

There was a time in AW when COF actually had a presence in the AW Community. There
was a time in AW when the concerns of the AW populace were actually considered before
a decision was made. There was a time in AW when people would meet in a little world
called The Transcend, and eagerly listen to COF's biggest announcements and plans for
the future. There was a time when, rather than see a product that was full of
potential get tossed aside like so much garbage, COF took it upon themselves to keep
it alive, doing it "for the community".
That was then; this is now. All the broken promises, unheard pleas, and unanswered
concerns lie plain for all to see like an open book. Citizenships that were
guaranteed to be free, abruptly changed to a paid system and unwittingly creating a
caste system of haves and have-nots that would forever divide the community. Worlds
like COFMeta, Atlantis, and WildAW, the "babies" of AWCI employees, now stand nearly
deserted and devoid of life due to neglect. World prices skyrocket out of control
without any prior warning or notification as the AW citizen base, mostly teenagers,
scramble to find enough money for their dream world. Features appear in the software
that only a marketing executive could love, as citizens' ideas go completely and
blatantly ignored. Organizations that once thrived on AWCI support (AWHS, AWEC, et
al) now stand in a state of dormancy, waiting for someone to help bring them to their
former glory. Textures get changed without any notification whatsoever, forever
changing, and in some cases, ruining the AW landscape.
And all this because of money; a simple, desperate, constant search for money. While
you were busy building virtual malls that no one would visit, you succeeding in
disenfranchising the AW populace by raising world prices and changing textures
without any input from your supposed "cherished" user base. While you were busy
shaking hands with Juno and making their world, a man by the name of Cybernome left
his post as caretaker of COFMeta (a world that *you*, AWCI, are supposed to be taking
care of) because of the stress of dealing with the AWCI management, causing it to
regress back to an empty, lonely world. While you were busy making Universes that
soon flopped, your stock did a reverse split and you actually had to buy some of your
own stock back! And while you were busy changing names and appointing Board members,
your own employees go as unnoticed and ignored as the citizens they spend their daily
lives helping and serving.
There's a reason this letter starts with the greeting "To Whom It May Concern". It's
a greeting that asks a simple question: Does this concern you? Do these things that
have occurred over the years bother you? Do you think something should be done about
them? If so, then why haven't you? The events that are described here, as well as
many others, are all well documented, so it's not as if you didn't know about them.
You are all perfectly aware of this buzzing community of people that has "suddenly"
sprung up around your little piece of software, yet you chose not to address it.
Instead of seeking to help nurture and grow this throng of loyal followers who have
been with you since the beginning, you wish to try and lure in companies and
businesses who might initially fall for the "revolutionary
e-commerce/education/modeling/simulation/whatever software" routine, but soon
discover it's nothing more than an elaborate chat room.
If it's money you're after, why not look at what has and has not worked in your
storied history so far. Virtual malls have proven to be completely ineffective, with
at mart standing empty, except for the occasional tourist lured away from AWGate. Your
precious Education universe, as well as worlds created for universities and colleges,
lie empty and dead, never to be visited again. Even your most recent projects, like
Nettazi, fail to draw in even a hint of revenue. On the other hand, mainstays like AW
and AWTeen continue to draw in hundreds of users on a daily basis. Volunteers like
Alphabit Phalpha, Brant, Bille, and countless others provide events and community
services that keep people coming back. Even employees like Facter, Flagg, and Roland
do all that they can to help make the community a better place, even if it's on their
own time! And all of these things work for one simple reason: it's for the community!
The community can make AW work!
All it takes is turning around and looking at who's behind you. Will Juno care about
AW's community and development? Will Nettaxi? Will NASA or the Univesity of Santa
Cruz or PCDJ.com or some other corporate sponsor down the road? When all is said and
done, when all the deals have past and all the money has been squandered, we will
still be here, supporting everything you do. Why? Simply because we have taken the
time to invest in your product to its fullest. We are the ones who have committed to
making AW the greatest place for people to come and, ultimately, spend their
hard-earned money. We are the ones who have succeeded in keeping this company afloat,
despite all the hardships and bad decisions. And we are the ones who can help you
bring AW into the forefront, where it belongs; where it *needs* to be.
But in order to do that, our voices need to be heard. We need to work together if
you ever want to see this program break out of this cycle of stagnation. Your
concerns must become our concerns, and our concerns must become your concerns. Only
then, will AWCI begin to see true success, and AW will launch into the stratosphere.
Still, the question remains: Are these your concerns? Do the ideas expressed in this
letter, and echoed by hundreds of users before us, even register with you? Because if
they don't, you've essentially told every single person who's ever bought a
citizenship or a world or a t-shirt or a CD, who's ever started a community
organization or a business in AW, that it was all for nothing. You might as well tell
everyone to send you a check for $20 in the mail every year and never even come to AW
at all.
The community can help you, if you are willing to let it. Let us be heard, and
together we can bring AW out of the darkness and into the spotlight where it belongs.
Because *that* should be everyone's primary concern.

Most Sincerely,
Bob Rodehorst
"Goober King" (#103935)

---------------------------------------------
This is the letter I plan on sending to every single person on the AWCI roster.
Whether you like me or not is irrelevant. Whether you believe AWCI has a right to
ignore us or not is irrelevant. Whether you think this letter has a snowball's chance
in hell of making anything happen or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters
is, if you agree with the statements written above, please show your support by
replying to this message with your cit name and number. If you want, you can add
extra weight to your "signature" by adding your real name, to demonstrate that you
are a real person and not just some random number. In either case, the more people
who sign it, the better chance of us actually being considered.
So please, let's drop all of our petty squabbles just this once, and show AWCI that
we can actually stand united as one for the common good. Because if we can't, then we
are no better than the company we complain about. I still have some faith in my
fellow community members. Don't destroy it.

--
Goober King
Proof that Goobers ARE as dumb as they look.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

syntax

Jul 18, 2001, 1:41am
Amen, Goober.

Shane Fris
"Syntax" (#308403)
-Active Community builder in AW Prime. 2 and a half years of hard work and
dedication for the Activeworlds community.

moff piett

Jul 18, 2001, 2:00am
You tell em Goober, specialy about the e-commerce stuff. The way they lure
companies into buying into aw is borderline scamming. There is ZERO
potential or current demand for retail or e-commerce in aw. It COULD be
usefull for education, but only when orginised with many educational groups
and programs. Simply creating an open area and calling it an educational
universe is good for nothing.

There is a reason why they do all this though.. because their scam is
working more or less. Big companies like siemens and nettaxi are suckered
into investing tens of thousands on their own series of worlds or universe,
lied to that it will attract people that might buy their product. I'd
actualy like to know the numbers of purchases made due to e-commerce in aw,
I'd be surprised if it was above even 10 over the course of aw's entire
e-commerce obsession. Unfortunatly this can't last, they will run out of
companies to sucker. Then what? They will have to fall back on the
community once again for income, but they will have wasted all that time
and money implmenting "corporate hooking" features. Then they will have to
"re-tool" their entire company to focus on what matters, probably when it's
too late.

Actualy knowing rick and jp when the corporate suckers dry up, they won't
know what the heck to do. Probably just raise world and cit prices and
squander their valuable community even more.

I really wish people like Tom ,Roland, and even Gand where running the show.
AW would be a much brighter place. There are some truely inteligent people
that run aw, unfortunatly they are strictly told what to do, their hands
tied.

Actualy awcom isn't the problem. The staff is really friendly, smart, and
talented. awcom is a fair ship on a course to success. Unfortunatly its
captain and navigator are drunken idiots, and if it wasn't for the hard
working crew the ship would have run aground or sunk by now. I think a
blind "I hate awcom" isn't the right attitude, we have to focus on the
source of the idiocy.... the captain of the ship. Untill then I guess the
best we can hope for is a mutiny....

anduin lothario

Jul 18, 2001, 3:29am
Samuel Lison

Citname: Anduin Lothario
Citnum: 317281
As you see, I haven't been around for that long as a citizen, but what you
say in your posts teaches me a whole lot about the History of ActiveWorlds
and how they work.
--
====================
www.anduin-lothario.com
www.uswf.net
====================
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chucks party

Jul 18, 2001, 7:04am
Cit Name: Chucks Party
Cit Number: 321673
I agree with all those things in your letter goober king. Too bad those in
charge can't see it for some reason.

beardo

Jul 18, 2001, 7:24am
I fully agree!

Beardo


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tony m

Jul 18, 2001, 7:46am
Anthony Morales. Citizen number 314753

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icey

Jul 18, 2001, 8:30am
What do you offer?

[View Quote] > To Whom It May Concern...
>
> There was a time in AW when COF actually had a presence in the AW Community. There
> was a time in AW when the concerns of the AW populace were actually considered before
> a decision was made. There was a time in AW when people would meet in a little world
> called The Transcend, and eagerly listen to COF's biggest announcements and plans for
> the future. There was a time when, rather than see a product that was full of
> potential get tossed aside like so much garbage, COF took it upon themselves to keep
> it alive, doing it "for the community".
> That was then; this is now. All the broken promises, unheard pleas, and unanswered
> concerns lie plain for all to see like an open book. Citizenships that were
> guaranteed to be free, abruptly changed to a paid system and unwittingly creating a
> caste system of haves and have-nots that would forever divide the community. Worlds
> like COFMeta, Atlantis, and WildAW, the "babies" of AWCI employees, now stand nearly
> deserted and devoid of life due to neglect. World prices skyrocket out of control
> without any prior warning or notification as the AW citizen base, mostly teenagers,
> scramble to find enough money for their dream world. Features appear in the software
> that only a marketing executive could love, as citizens' ideas go completely and
> blatantly ignored. Organizations that once thrived on AWCI support (AWHS, AWEC, et
> al) now stand in a state of dormancy, waiting for someone to help bring them to their
> former glory. Textures get changed without any notification whatsoever, forever
> changing, and in some cases, ruining the AW landscape.
> And all this because of money; a simple, desperate, constant search for money. While
> you were busy building virtual malls that no one would visit, you succeeding in
> disenfranchising the AW populace by raising world prices and changing textures
> without any input from your supposed "cherished" user base. While you were busy
> shaking hands with Juno and making their world, a man by the name of Cybernome left
> his post as caretaker of COFMeta (a world that *you*, AWCI, are supposed to be taking
> care of) because of the stress of dealing with the AWCI management, causing it to
> regress back to an empty, lonely world. While you were busy making Universes that
> soon flopped, your stock did a reverse split and you actually had to buy some of your
> own stock back! And while you were busy changing names and appointing Board members,
> your own employees go as unnoticed and ignored as the citizens they spend their daily
> lives helping and serving.
> There's a reason this letter starts with the greeting "To Whom It May Concern". It's
> a greeting that asks a simple question: Does this concern you? Do these things that
> have occurred over the years bother you? Do you think something should be done about
> them? If so, then why haven't you? The events that are described here, as well as
> many others, are all well documented, so it's not as if you didn't know about them.
> You are all perfectly aware of this buzzing community of people that has "suddenly"
> sprung up around your little piece of software, yet you chose not to address it.
> Instead of seeking to help nurture and grow this throng of loyal followers who have
> been with you since the beginning, you wish to try and lure in companies and
> businesses who might initially fall for the "revolutionary
> e-commerce/education/modeling/simulation/whatever software" routine, but soon
> discover it's nothing more than an elaborate chat room.
> If it's money you're after, why not look at what has and has not worked in your
> storied history so far. Virtual malls have proven to be completely ineffective, with
> at mart standing empty, except for the occasional tourist lured away from AWGate. Your
> precious Education universe, as well as worlds created for universities and colleges,
> lie empty and dead, never to be visited again. Even your most recent projects, like
> Nettazi, fail to draw in even a hint of revenue. On the other hand, mainstays like AW
> and AWTeen continue to draw in hundreds of users on a daily basis. Volunteers like
> Alphabit Phalpha, Brant, Bille, and countless others provide events and community
> services that keep people coming back. Even employees like Facter, Flagg, and Roland
> do all that they can to help make the community a better place, even if it's on their
> own time! And all of these things work for one simple reason: it's for the community!
> The community can make AW work!
> All it takes is turning around and looking at who's behind you. Will Juno care about
> AW's community and development? Will Nettaxi? Will NASA or the Univesity of Santa
> Cruz or PCDJ.com or some other corporate sponsor down the road? When all is said and
> done, when all the deals have past and all the money has been squandered, we will
> still be here, supporting everything you do. Why? Simply because we have taken the
> time to invest in your product to its fullest. We are the ones who have committed to
> making AW the greatest place for people to come and, ultimately, spend their
> hard-earned money. We are the ones who have succeeded in keeping this company afloat,
> despite all the hardships and bad decisions. And we are the ones who can help you
> bring AW into the forefront, where it belongs; where it *needs* to be.
> But in order to do that, our voices need to be heard. We need to work together if
> you ever want to see this program break out of this cycle of stagnation. Your
> concerns must become our concerns, and our concerns must become your concerns. Only
> then, will AWCI begin to see true success, and AW will launch into the stratosphere.
> Still, the question remains: Are these your concerns? Do the ideas expressed in this
> letter, and echoed by hundreds of users before us, even register with you? Because if
> they don't, you've essentially told every single person who's ever bought a
> citizenship or a world or a t-shirt or a CD, who's ever started a community
> organization or a business in AW, that it was all for nothing. You might as well tell
> everyone to send you a check for $20 in the mail every year and never even come to AW
> at all.
> The community can help you, if you are willing to let it. Let us be heard, and
> together we can bring AW out of the darkness and into the spotlight where it belongs.
> Because *that* should be everyone's primary concern.
>
> Most Sincerely,
> Bob Rodehorst
> "Goober King" (#103935)
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> This is the letter I plan on sending to every single person on the AWCI roster.
> Whether you like me or not is irrelevant. Whether you believe AWCI has a right to
> ignore us or not is irrelevant. Whether you think this letter has a snowball's chance
> in hell of making anything happen or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters
> is, if you agree with the statements written above, please show your support by
> replying to this message with your cit name and number. If you want, you can add
> extra weight to your "signature" by adding your real name, to demonstrate that you
> are a real person and not just some random number. In either case, the more people
> who sign it, the better chance of us actually being considered.
> So please, let's drop all of our petty squabbles just this once, and show AWCI that
> we can actually stand united as one for the common good. Because if we can't, then we
> are no better than the company we complain about. I still have some faith in my
> fellow community members. Don't destroy it.
>
> --
> Goober King
> Proof that Goobers ARE as dumb as they look.
> rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

john viper

Jul 18, 2001, 8:38am
....ok I can't even think of anything to say. You said it all. So here's to
that captain and navigator in Moff Piet's post learning about greediness...
maybe this is just what they need to snap out of it.

Thanks, Goob :-)

-Jeff Tickle (John Viper, #296714)


"goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in
news:3B550144.1562FDAC at acsu.buffalo.edu:

<Snip a very long yet well planned out letter>

_____________________________
Jeff Tickle (John Viper, #296714)
jviper at jtsoft.net
http://www.jtsoft.net

john viper

Jul 18, 2001, 8:57am
Hey, I was typing out a message to Goob in ICQ and I realized I had thought
of something to say after all. Here goes...

Lovely message in the Newsgroups. Where I work, TogetherSoft Corporation,
has one main core value, and that is to Serve with integrity and heart.
Also, the organizational structure is different. Rather than the employee
doing the manager's bidding the the VPs doing the CEO's bidding, it is kind
of reversed. Peter Coad(CEO) says at the Quarterly Team Meetings on Monday,
"What can I do to serve you, the employees of TogetherSoft?" and I know
this man, he is very true to the core values. Anyways, serving goes down
the line: the CEO does what he can to serve the VPs, and the Managers do
what they can to serve the employees, and everyone does what they can to
serve the customer as an individual, all doing it with intrgrity and heart.
This company has grown from 35 to 442 in 1.5 years and has a good financial
history, to say the least, and has just been ruching like wildfire into the
market. Plus, they have a good product -- of course, nothing would happen
without that ;-)

If only Rick and JP could realize that greediness is not the way to go, but
serving the customer is, and realizing that it is better to retain a happy
customer by serving them EVEN IF it causes them to lose a little bit of
money because in the end, for certain, the happy customer (me, you, citizens
is what I am referring to here, not PCDJ or what have you) will bethere to
back them up when they are not doing so well, and continue to be supportive
when they are doing very well. I can see how tempting it would be to be
greedy at the level of some people in AWCom, however, greediness will make
them want more money, sacrificing customer after customer along the way, and
if they ever do hit a nice big deal guaranteed to make them gazillions,
there won't be anyone left, and they suddenly are a gazillion bucks in debt.

_____________________________________________
Jeff Tickle (John Viper, #296714)
jviper at jtsoft.net
http://www.jtsoft.net


"john viper" <jviper at jtsoft.net> wrote in
news:Xns90E243840FC87jviperjtsoftnet at 166.90.181.12:

> ...ok I can't even think of anything to say. You said it all. So
> here's to that captain and navigator in Moff Piet's post learning about
> greediness... maybe this is just what they need to snap out of it.
>
> Thanks, Goob :-)
>
> -Jeff Tickle (John Viper, #296714)
>
>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in
> news:3B550144.1562FDAC at acsu.buffalo.edu:
>
> <Snip a very long yet well planned out letter>
>
> _____________________________
> Jeff Tickle (John Viper, #296714)
> jviper at jtsoft.net
> http://www.jtsoft.net

alpengeist

Jul 18, 2001, 10:08am
Alpengeist, citnum 337521

go goober king!
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goober king

Jul 18, 2001, 10:18am
erm... so does that mean yer signing the letter? :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Need siggies!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

nornny

Jul 18, 2001, 10:26am
Although I don't think even crying on their Newburyport doorstep might help,
I'll add to the masses, because the masses always win (right or wrong).
Sometimes, the true reality is WE were dumb enough to get drawn into a
really good program, but we never realized the people running it ever cared
a half pints about it, and they coudl run off when they're financially
secure, and close Activeworlds. It's not always the big whigs fault.
Luckily, I know there's some heart in Rick and JP, and that they didn't
entirely work up to 6 years for the money.

Nornny
Cit Number 292538
Viva l'Activeworlds!


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goober king

Jul 18, 2001, 10:27am
An olive branch, for all intents and purposes. The time for bashing and name-calling
is over. Now is a time of communication and action. I'm willing to work together with
these people to help make AW a better place, as are the people who've signed this
letter. Are you?

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--
Goober King
If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

shred

Jul 18, 2001, 11:12am
Kyle Lee
Shred (298819)
<sigh>


[View Quote] > To Whom It May Concern...
>
> There was a time in AW when COF actually had a presence in the AW Community. There
> was a time in AW when the concerns of the AW populace were actually considered before
> a decision was made. There was a time in AW when people would meet in a little world
> called The Transcend, and eagerly listen to COF's biggest announcements and plans for
> the future. There was a time when, rather than see a product that was full of
> potential get tossed aside like so much garbage, COF took it upon themselves to keep
> it alive, doing it "for the community".
> That was then; this is now. All the broken promises, unheard pleas, and unanswered
> concerns lie plain for all to see like an open book. Citizenships that were
> guaranteed to be free, abruptly changed to a paid system and unwittingly creating a
> caste system of haves and have-nots that would forever divide the community. Worlds
> like COFMeta, Atlantis, and WildAW, the "babies" of AWCI employees, now stand nearly
> deserted and devoid of life due to neglect. World prices skyrocket out of control
> without any prior warning or notification as the AW citizen base, mostly teenagers,
> scramble to find enough money for their dream world. Features appear in the software
> that only a marketing executive could love, as citizens' ideas go completely and
> blatantly ignored. Organizations that once thrived on AWCI support (AWHS, AWEC, et
> al) now stand in a state of dormancy, waiting for someone to help bring them to their
> former glory. Textures get changed without any notification whatsoever, forever
> changing, and in some cases, ruining the AW landscape.
> And all this because of money; a simple, desperate, constant search for money. While
> you were busy building virtual malls that no one would visit, you succeeding in
> disenfranchising the AW populace by raising world prices and changing textures
> without any input from your supposed "cherished" user base. While you were busy
> shaking hands with Juno and making their world, a man by the name of Cybernome left
> his post as caretaker of COFMeta (a world that *you*, AWCI, are supposed to be taking
> care of) because of the stress of dealing with the AWCI management, causing it to
> regress back to an empty, lonely world. While you were busy making Universes that
> soon flopped, your stock did a reverse split and you actually had to buy some of your
> own stock back! And while you were busy changing names and appointing Board members,
> your own employees go as unnoticed and ignored as the citizens they spend their daily
> lives helping and serving.
> There's a reason this letter starts with the greeting "To Whom It May Concern". It's
> a greeting that asks a simple question: Does this concern you? Do these things that
> have occurred over the years bother you? Do you think something should be done about
> them? If so, then why haven't you? The events that are described here, as well as
> many others, are all well documented, so it's not as if you didn't know about them.
> You are all perfectly aware of this buzzing community of people that has "suddenly"
> sprung up around your little piece of software, yet you chose not to address it.
> Instead of seeking to help nurture and grow this throng of loyal followers who have
> been with you since the beginning, you wish to try and lure in companies and
> businesses who might initially fall for the "revolutionary
> e-commerce/education/modeling/simulation/whatever software" routine, but soon
> discover it's nothing more than an elaborate chat room.
> If it's money you're after, why not look at what has and has not worked in your
> storied history so far. Virtual malls have proven to be completely ineffective, with
> at mart standing empty, except for the occasional tourist lured away from AWGate. Your
> precious Education universe, as well as worlds created for universities and colleges,
> lie empty and dead, never to be visited again. Even your most recent projects, like
> Nettazi, fail to draw in even a hint of revenue. On the other hand, mainstays like AW
> and AWTeen continue to draw in hundreds of users on a daily basis. Volunteers like
> Alphabit Phalpha, Brant, Bille, and countless others provide events and community
> services that keep people coming back. Even employees like Facter, Flagg, and Roland
> do all that they can to help make the community a better place, even if it's on their
> own time! And all of these things work for one simple reason: it's for the community!
> The community can make AW work!
> All it takes is turning around and looking at who's behind you. Will Juno care about
> AW's community and development? Will Nettaxi? Will NASA or the Univesity of Santa
> Cruz or PCDJ.com or some other corporate sponsor down the road? When all is said and
> done, when all the deals have past and all the money has been squandered, we will
> still be here, supporting everything you do. Why? Simply because we have taken the
> time to invest in your product to its fullest. We are the ones who have committed to
> making AW the greatest place for people to come and, ultimately, spend their
> hard-earned money. We are the ones who have succeeded in keeping this company afloat,
> despite all the hardships and bad decisions. And we are the ones who can help you
> bring AW into the forefront, where it belongs; where it *needs* to be.
> But in order to do that, our voices need to be heard. We need to work together if
> you ever want to see this program break out of this cycle of stagnation. Your
> concerns must become our concerns, and our concerns must become your concerns. Only
> then, will AWCI begin to see true success, and AW will launch into the stratosphere.
> Still, the question remains: Are these your concerns? Do the ideas expressed in this
> letter, and echoed by hundreds of users before us, even register with you? Because if
> they don't, you've essentially told every single person who's ever bought a
> citizenship or a world or a t-shirt or a CD, who's ever started a community
> organization or a business in AW, that it was all for nothing. You might as well tell
> everyone to send you a check for $20 in the mail every year and never even come to AW
> at all.
> The community can help you, if you are willing to let it. Let us be heard, and
> together we can bring AW out of the darkness and into the spotlight where it belongs.
> Because *that* should be everyone's primary concern.
>
> Most Sincerely,
> Bob Rodehorst
> "Goober King" (#103935)
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> This is the letter I plan on sending to every single person on the AWCI roster.
> Whether you like me or not is irrelevant. Whether you believe AWCI has a right to
> ignore us or not is irrelevant. Whether you think this letter has a snowball's chance
> in hell of making anything happen or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters
> is, if you agree with the statements written above, please show your support by
> replying to this message with your cit name and number. If you want, you can add
> extra weight to your "signature" by adding your real name, to demonstrate that you
> are a real person and not just some random number. In either case, the more people
> who sign it, the better chance of us actually being considered.
> So please, let's drop all of our petty squabbles just this once, and show AWCI that
> we can actually stand united as one for the common good. Because if we can't, then we
> are no better than the company we complain about. I still have some faith in my
> fellow community members. Don't destroy it.
>
>

agent1

Jul 18, 2001, 11:42am
Andrew Bugera ("Agent1")
309603




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icey

Jul 18, 2001, 12:02pm
Pardon?

[View Quote] > Alpengeist, citnum 337521
>
> go goober king!
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leaf

Jul 18, 2001, 12:47pm
Sean Walsh
Leaf
321064

"Nods and smiles"


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deconstructor

Jul 18, 2001, 2:11pm
Mike Welsh
Deconstructor 331399

holistic1

Jul 18, 2001, 2:58pm
Terry Kafader (Holistic1 cit#285403)

[View Quote] > To Whom It May Concern...
>

<snip>

gamer

Jul 18, 2001, 3:14pm
I completely Agree...

Robbie Lewis
"Gamer" (317291)

-Been in AW for over a year now...Long enough to see what AWCOM is doing
wrong...


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mike zimmer

Jul 18, 2001, 3:23pm
Mike Zimmermann
Mike Zimmer (CitNum 330838)

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brandon

Jul 18, 2001, 3:29pm
Brandon Nolan
CitNum - 327967

You ARE letting them know about this right? becuase not ALL of AWCI reads
the NG.


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goober king

Jul 18, 2001, 3:46pm
That's the plan... once I get some more sigs, I'll send it to every single AWCI
employee's email. In fact, I already sent this letter to Facter this morning, who
assured me that he'd take it to their morning meeting. We'll see how that works...

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--
Goober King
Seeing as how it's well past morning...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

faber

Jul 18, 2001, 4:08pm
Nice said, goober...

Faber, 288239
Real Name: Walter Knupe


"goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3B550144.1562FDAC at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> To Whom It May Concern...
>
> snip

budweiser

Jul 18, 2001, 5:23pm
Cit Number #321657

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builderz

Jul 18, 2001, 5:42pm
I already signed it at http://www.awnews.com/article.php?s=168, but I
might as well sign it here as well.

Real Name: Andrew J. Sawran
AW User Name: Builderz
Cit #: 92986

jerme

Jul 18, 2001, 6:22pm
Jeremy Booker - "JerMe" (#296967)

Nicely said Goober. I'm so glad someone has finally stepped up and put it
to them straight...

eep

Jul 18, 2001, 6:37pm
Unfortunately AW as product isn't that useful for any real practical purposes other than "art". That's the problem: Rick and JP are SCRAMBLING to find a purpose for AW, which is why they have failed at numerous attempts (e-commerce, distance education, virtual surgery--oh boy that one's a joke, etc, etc) yet they continue to miss the only REAL purpose AW could have: gaming/entertainment. Note that this does NOT necessarily mean just SHOOTING, as some still simple/narrow-minded people are disillusioned into believing. One look at the 3D computer game industry should be enough to show Rick and JP that gaming is the way to go. Unfortunately, for AW to even BEGIN to compete in that market it needs MANY more improvements (of which most are listed at http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/improve.html).

[View Quote] > Hey, I was typing out a message to Goob in ICQ and I realized I had thought
> of something to say after all. Here goes...
>
> Lovely message in the Newsgroups. Where I work, TogetherSoft Corporation,
> has one main core value, and that is to Serve with integrity and heart.
> Also, the organizational structure is different. Rather than the employee
> doing the manager's bidding the the VPs doing the CEO's bidding, it is kind
> of reversed. Peter Coad(CEO) says at the Quarterly Team Meetings on Monday,
> "What can I do to serve you, the employees of TogetherSoft?" and I know
> this man, he is very true to the core values. Anyways, serving goes down
> the line: the CEO does what he can to serve the VPs, and the Managers do
> what they can to serve the employees, and everyone does what they can to
> serve the customer as an individual, all doing it with intrgrity and heart.
> This company has grown from 35 to 442 in 1.5 years and has a good financial
> history, to say the least, and has just been ruching like wildfire into the
> market. Plus, they have a good product -- of course, nothing would happen
> without that ;-)
>
> If only Rick and JP could realize that greediness is not the way to go, but
> serving the customer is, and realizing that it is better to retain a happy
> customer by serving them EVEN IF it causes them to lose a little bit of
> money because in the end, for certain, the happy customer (me, you, citizens
> is what I am referring to here, not PCDJ or what have you) will bethere to
> back them up when they are not doing so well, and continue to be supportive
> when they are doing very well. I can see how tempting it would be to be
> greedy at the level of some people in AWCom, however, greediness will make
> them want more money, sacrificing customer after customer along the way, and
> if they ever do hit a nice big deal guaranteed to make them gazillions,
> there won't be anyone left, and they suddenly are a gazillion bucks in debt.

sw comit

Jul 18, 2001, 6:49pm
I don't think I've ever played a game that didn't have a major problem.
First I played Scarab (which is what the S stands for in SW), but the
network that it was played on didn't like the game we lost all but a few
servers so it was laggy. Then I played Faldon, an RPG, but the (one)
producer was too busy with other things and let the game corrupt and fall
apart. Then good ol' AW, but I don't need to talk about that, we already
know O_O.

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