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Townbuilders newsgroup idea // CommunitylegionJul 11, 2001, 4:00pm
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------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C10A08.89F2EE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am requesting that Activeworlds.com Inc. (or Activeworlds Corp or = whatever) please set up a new newsgroup called Townbuilders. I provides = these reasons as following: 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders = don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away = from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support = this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while = I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good = idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization = is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support = it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm = tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move = all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank = you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C10A08.89F2EE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>I am requesting that Activeworlds.com Inc. (or Activeworlds Corp or = whatever) please set up a new newsgroup called Townbuilders. I provides = these=20 reasons as following:</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters.</DIV> <DIV>2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders=20 don't?</DIV> <DIV>3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc.</DIV> <DIV>4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters = away from=20 burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts)</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will = support=20 this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while = I know=20 KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good idea. And = also=20 Goober King would like this place since his organization is for towns = and=20 cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support it. Yes I know this = community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm tired and sick of = flaming,=20 and all of this crap, so it's time to move all town-related matter over = to new=20 place.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will = thank you=20 for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Legion</DIV> <DIV>SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users.</DIV> <DIV>"I came, I saw, I build!"</DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C10A08.89F2EE60-- percipientJul 11, 2001, 4:08pm
Such a newsgroup wouldn't be much use to me (I don't run a public town), but
I still think it sounds like a reasonable and helpful idea for those who do. A note on reason number two: there are more worldbuilders, probably, and they are worth more money to Active Worlds than townbuilders. "legion" wrote... I am requesting that Activeworlds.com Inc. (or Activeworlds Corp or whatever) please set up a new newsgroup called Townbuilders. I provides these reasons as following: 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" builderzJul 11, 2001, 4:15pm
If it doesn't work out, go ask Andras and see if he may be able to setup
a Townbuilders NG on his NG server. Also, please do not post in HTML. As others have stated before, it wastes bandwidth and has its security exploits. Builderz Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services http://aw.stuff-x.com/ PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use) P.S. Shouldn't your signature read "I came, I saw, I built!" instead of "I came, I saw, I build!"? [View Quote] news://news.activeworlds.com/3b4c942f%40server1.Activeworlds.com syntaxJul 11, 2001, 4:44pm
legionJul 11, 2001, 4:58pm
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[View Quote] 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" sw chrisJul 11, 2001, 7:44pm
Hmm... I didn't notice it was in HTML... no extravagant download times for
me. :) SW Chris [View Quote] david16Jul 11, 2001, 7:47pm
builderzJul 11, 2001, 10:58pm
Yes, Legion posted in HTML (the font was in Times New Roman in my
newsreader) in his original post and then later posted in plain text in his second post at 14:58:20 -0400. Enable the viewing of all headers in your newsreader (which is MS Outlook Express 5.x) and look at the "Content-Type:" header in his post and compare it to the one in mine. I'm telling you, everything is in the message headers. Builderz Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services http://aw.stuff-x.com/ PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use) [View Quote] builderzJul 11, 2001, 11:06pm
Legion's "Content-Type" header showed he posted the message in
"multipart/alternative" and the recommended way of posting is in "text/plain." See my reply to Syntax. Builderz Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services http://aw.stuff-x.com/ PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use) [View Quote] syntaxJul 11, 2001, 11:40pm
sw chrisJul 12, 2001, 2:38am
Hmm.... this HTML vs. Plain text war is overrated anyways. What's 3 extra
kilobytes? And please don't tell me it takes up too much space with the amount of posts this server gets... They're making 80 gig hard drives now for prices that a company can probably absorb relatively easily. SW Chris [View Quote] m a r c u sJul 12, 2001, 3:38am
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C10A71.94DD5540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In this thread, there seems to be more pissing and moaning regarding how = you typed than the content regarding what you really suggested. This I = will reply to in full support, and I hope Active Worlds does include = that section. As for why they don't already and yet have a = worldsbuilders section is probably due to the simple fact buiying world = gives them money and for towns you can create them anywhere pretty much = without needing to purchase a world first. Maybe Active Worlds would = consider charging $25 for citizenship and take the time to actually = include things we want. I am sure your ideal newsgroup would have = already been implemented if that action had been taken. [View Quote] 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders = don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away = from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support = this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while = I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good = idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization = is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support = it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm = tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move = all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank = you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C10A71.94DD5540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In this thread, there seems to be more = pissing and=20 moaning regarding how you typed than the content regarding what you = really=20 suggested. This I will reply to in full support, and I hope Active = Worlds=20 does include that section. As for why they don't already and yet = have a=20 worldsbuilders section is probably due to the simple fact buiying world = gives=20 them money and for towns you can create them anywhere pretty much = without=20 needing to purchase a world first. Maybe Active Worlds would = consider=20 charging $25 for citizenship and take the time to actually include = things=20 we want. I am sure your ideal newsgroup would have already been=20 implemented if that action had been taken.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>"legion" <<A = href=3D"mailto:jonsavel at apex.net">jonsavel at apex.net</A>>=20 [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C10A71.94DD5540-- m a r c u sJul 12, 2001, 5:08am
I clicked "Reply Group", and typed just like I am doing now. I didn't
intentionally click the "type html to annoy tony m" button (I don't even know where that is LOL). If you don't want to read html posts, don't load them. [View Quote] goober kingJul 12, 2001, 11:27am
The problem isn't hard drive space, it's bandwidth. A lot of people, especially in
some European countries, get charged by the amount of bandwidth used, so the less stuff they download the better. If they can download text instead of HTML then that's one less pound/dracma/whatever they have to pay. [View Quote] -- Goober King God bless America and flat rates... rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu nornnyJul 12, 2001, 11:41am
I still can't see why anything town related can't just go in Community. They
are, after all, communities, and in the past, those kind of posts haven't done much damage here at all. Besides, what could you really talk about? How your gz is better than the others? How to get builders to your town? Hundreds of plugs for people to come to their town? It doesn't sound like anything worth making, really, unless you have clear plans for what the Townbuilders newsgroup should be. I've always posted ads for my new town or events here without any trouble and asked questions about a town related subject here. I don't do it on a regular basis, but that's just common sense not to post everything about your town here. Plus, the reason why worldbuilders was made was indirectly fueled by money, but I would think the real reason would be that it takes a heckuva lot more to build a world than a town with all the technical mumbo jumbo and details that go in it. Plus, it's really the only form of immediate technical support after you paid over a hundred dollars on it. A town is basically mayor's discretion. You can't control a lot of things with a town just because you're building in someone else's world. But hey, if a townbuilders happen, good for you. :) Nornny [View Quote] 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" builderzJul 12, 2001, 12:53pm
It wastes more bandwidth and disk space (both for the client and the
server) posting in HTML verses posting in plain text. Like Goober King said, some countries pay by the amount of time they use the Net or by how much bandwidth they use. HTML takes longer to download, thus wasting more time. Furthermore, not all newsreaders support HTML and Web bugs and other nasty things can be included in it. Take a look at the following Web sites on reasons why NOT to post in HTML in newsgroups: http://www.houghi.org/ and http://www.railpage.org.au/ausrail/99july/msg02146.html And here is a quote from one of security expert Steve Gibson's Web pages regarding HTML postings: "It is our feeling that the slowly creeping increase in the use of HTML in eMail is a very bad thing. It adds no value to most communications, it allows web-bug-style "tracking" of its recipient, it is insecure, it is all flash and no substance . . . and for those reason it is a sure way to be seen as either a "rookie" computer user or a junk mail spammer. In either case, that's probably not how you want your communications to be regarded. So please take a few minutes to hunt around within your eMail and/or News clients to figure out how to turn off HTML in your eMail and News postings. Everyone will be much happier!" Builderz Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services http://aw.stuff-x.com/ PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use) [View Quote] m a r c u sJul 12, 2001, 3:22pm
Why can't it be set up so the responsibility is on the receiver's end to
only get plain text? There are plenty of html to plain text converters I have personally used and it seems like an ideal thing if you really prefer that. [View Quote] agent1Jul 12, 2001, 3:51pm
That doesn't solve the bandwidth issue. If it were implemented at server level, it would increase the time it took for a message to be posted. It should be the responsibility of the person posting not to use HTML unless there's a good reason for it.
-Agent1 [View Quote] m a r c u sJul 12, 2001, 4:18pm
With a $1000 computer, and paying for cable use, unlimited we should be
allowed to use the benefits of html and pics just like worldbuilders have their benefits because they paid for it. To limit everything to plain text makes for one real bland/undesirable newsgroup. I still think filtering what you don't want is the best way to go. [View Quote] agent1Jul 12, 2001, 5:41pm
Just because *you* bought something, doesn't mean that you have to force it onto others. Not every person connected to the Internet uses a high-speed connection. If HTML is so important to communicating the idea, then post a link to a webpage. Newsgroups weren't meant for HTML use, they're for text (and the occasional attachment).
Even if it is possible (don't know that it is), what happens if someone posts something in HTML and is very important, but some readers don't recieve it because they chose not to read HTML messages? -Agent1 [View Quote] wingJul 12, 2001, 6:13pm
Chris, Chris, Chris. Please see my response to the post in general.discussion entitled "Posting Rules" or some crap like that. I
believe I made myself QUITE clear. [View Quote] sw chrisJul 13, 2001, 1:29am
mike zimmerJul 14, 2001, 12:45am
Do you really want the NGs to be down for another 2 weeks?
[View Quote] 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" kahJul 14, 2001, 7:02pm
I support it, yes :-))
KAH Mayor of 3 cities (don't expect it to stop there!) PS. NEVER, EVER POST IN HTML! [View Quote] 1. This shall be a place for towns-related matters. 2. Why does worldbuilders get its own newsgroup while townbuilders don't? 3. This shall be a place for towns advertising and etc. 4. This shall be good place to talk about towns-related matters away from burning newsgroup building (meaning a center for flaming posts) I'm sure SW Comit, SW Chris, Syntax, CMM, KAH, Moff Piett will support this. SW Comit and his staff were builders of city called SW City, while I know KAH had built town, while Moff Piett had told me it was good idea. And also Goober King would like this place since his organization is for towns and cities. And surely will AWCommunity Register support it. Yes I know this community newsgroup may be good place for it but I'm tired and sick of flaming, and all of this crap, so it's time to move all town-related matter over to new place. So please show your support for this petition, and I surely will thank you for these support. Thank you. Have a nice day. Legion SimCity Mayor and Activeworlds Users. "I came, I saw, I build!" |
