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Jun 30, 2001, 1:44am

Hi,

Ever notice that AW has programed their browser to remind you renewal of
citizenship or world is due soon? Noticed the renewal button pop up on
your browser in the final 30 days? Well did you realize how much AW may
be making off people in ways that could possibly be be termed by some as
dishonest? Deceptive trade perhaps? Let me explain:

Worlds come with free citizenship's in most cases. When the world is
renewed, so are the citizenship's. So what happens when you give one of
those citizenship's away for free to friend? They see the renewal key
and pay. You renew the world and cit gets renewed. Does AW refund the
money charged for the cit that they collected? NO! Do they extend the
life of that cit to make up for it? NO! Do they warn or tell you in any
way? NO! Do they keep track of worlds and their free cit 3's? YES Keep
in mind, as world owner, you too may have renewed the cit first since
you were unaware.

So they know, and they have probably seen profit from this technique in
their time. Definitely not a boy scout honor system in the works there
*S* Business is business, some are more honest than others. Hope
this has opened a few eyes and warned a few before they waste their
money.

Jun 30, 2001, 11:15am

Good point! All those who were given citizenships by world owners should definitely be checking with them every year (or not and seeing what happens--nothing if the world is renewed).

[View Quote] > Ever notice that AW has programed their browser to remind you renewal of
> citizenship or world is due soon? Noticed the renewal button pop up on
> your browser in the final 30 days? Well did you realize how much AW may
> be making off people in ways that could possibly be be termed by some as
> dishonest? Deceptive trade perhaps? Let me explain:
>
> Worlds come with free citizenship's in most cases. When the world is
> renewed, so are the citizenship's. So what happens when you give one of
> those citizenship's away for free to friend? They see the renewal key
> and pay. You renew the world and cit gets renewed. Does AW refund the
> money charged for the cit that they collected? NO! Do they extend the
> life of that cit to make up for it? NO! Do they warn or tell you in any
> way? NO! Do they keep track of worlds and their free cit 3's? YES Keep
> in mind, as world owner, you too may have renewed the cit first since
> you were unaware.
>
> So they know, and they have probably seen profit from this technique in
> their time. Definitely not a boy scout honor system in the works there
> *S* Business is business, some are more honest than others. Hope
> this has opened a few eyes and warned a few before they waste their
> money.

Jun 30, 2001, 11:16am

This is why you hang out with mildly intelligent people that understand that they're operating under your tab. Of course, stupid
people make the world go round and we certainly have a LOT of them here.
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Jun 30, 2001, 12:35pm

Okay, you're bordering on absolute paranoia here, insanity. lol. You do make
a good point, but has this ever happened? It prolly has, but still, nothing
to get a tilly over. It's corporate business at its best. I think it's kinda
refreshing that AWCOM has half a brain to do such a thing. ;) Yeah, it's not
really that nice or fair, but hey, if you're incompetent enough to fork over
money for a free cit instead of asking the owner of the world first, it's
beyond me. Your plan assumes worlds are giving cits out to Alphaworld
tourists or something, when most world owners give them away as prizes or to
friends for people who actually INHABIT their world.

My conclusion is it's prolly a bug in a system that AWCOM has no awareness
of, but HEY, more money, why bother to look at where's it coming from. lol.

Nornny

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Jun 30, 2001, 12:38pm

[View Quote] One can NEVER be too paranoid in this day and age, Nornny. *cough*
http://grc.com/ and http://www.securitynewsportal.com/ *cough*

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Jun 30, 2001, 1:05pm

Grrrr, DDoS attacks are the work of idiots wannabe hackers (Hacker being defined as one who has thorough knowledge of the inner
workings of computers and the software that inhabit them, to the point where it is POSSIBLE that they would use that knowledge to
infiltrate a system, but won't unless it's never been done before or it is for the good of the wold at large) that have nothing
better to do with their lives than say "I don't like you! I'm going to do a really dressed up ping attack on you!" It's nothing that
anyone ever needs to worry about, 99.999% of these things blow over within SECONDS or never even manifest and those that don't
oftentimes are against major corperations and are legal suicide runs. I hate wannabes and "Security experts", all they ever do is
give hackers a bad name (Between them and the media it's a wonder that we don't get arrested just for knowing how to read the
Windows registry for passwords) THAT is absolute paranoia, and as soon as those security experts get what they want, the US will
lose most of it's citizens that don't just mindlessly follow trends and buy everything that everyone else does and pretend they're
cool because they're like all the other cool people that are pretending to be cool when there really is no definition of cool except
that which the mindless, unbrained society has given it. We'll take over Canada or some other country nobody will ever miss.

Enough ranting.
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Jun 30, 2001, 2:48pm

um... yeah. =P Hey Syntax, wanna know how it feels to become a US
resident?

SW Chris

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Jun 30, 2001, 5:05pm

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From http://grc.com/np/np.htm#acknowledgement

I wish to take a moment to acknowledge the enormous contribution that has been made to my knowledge and understanding by the unselfish work of the world's hacker community. These are not the malicious 'crackers' and 'script-kiddies' who break in, thieve, deface, and despoil by abusing the knowledge they have taken from others, but rather the true hackers who pursue the knowledge, understanding, and power of technology for its own sake.

I Thank Them . . . and I sincerely hope they will be as pleased and enlightened by the results of my efforts, as I have been by theirs.
-

But you're right, most people think all hackers are spawn from the devil. :P

Jun 30, 2001, 6:50pm

yeah, my ennemy numero uno at school says that I'll be a hacker, he thinks
it's like the worst thing you can be and that I'll be arrested LOL

KAH

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Jun 30, 2001, 7:45pm

Must've missed that the first time I read it. Oops :)

Put simply... Without hackers, none of you would be using a computer, cuz we'd still be at the DOS prompt.
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