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Jun 23, 2001, 1:43pm

[View Quote] > then filter me and go preach your gospel to someone who believes you, cause
> its not me.

If it wasn't you wouldn't continue replying. :)

> I notice you always tire of those you have no real argument with, or cannot
> prove they are wrong. (virtually everyone)

Nope. I usually just get tired of dealing with idiots, like you. However, you seem to at least have SOME things worth responding to interspersed throughout your otherwise mindless banter...

> So you even copied your improvements page from someone elses work? ever
> done anything origional except moan and invent a few silly swear words?

No, my AW improvements page is BASED on Rolu's which was MUCH shorter and not anywhere NEAR as detailed as mine is. Just about everything I DO is original, so fuck off.

> All your web pages have errors on them,

OH GOD A FEW INTENTIONAL DEAD LINKS OH NO WHAT EVER WILL I DO OH BOO HOO CRY FOR ME MORIA

<roll eyes>

> even when AW tries to correct them

AW(CI) has tried to correct errors on my web pages? <chuckle> That's funny...when?

> you slam them and say heyyyy you coppied me booo hoooo without correcting
> yours..

What the fuck are you babbling about ya fuckin' Brit? Make some sense and lay off the booze.

> your so called knowledge is little more than that copied from others,

Bahahahahaha, uh huh, that's why my RW site is FULL of original stuff (and if it's not I give references unlike SOME idiots--hi Lucrustia!).

> and your so called list of improvements are nothing more than a
> wanna be crybaby getting outof their pram saying "they wont do it my way
> and I'm right but I'm not prepared to actually put up or shut up.

Um, how much can I put up without putting up the code to do it? I'm not a programmer, dipshit.

> I cant argue my case rationally so I will swear at everyone till they shut up so it
> looks like I am right, and if needed I'll stamp my feet and scweam and
> scweam and remove some of my web site till someone listens"

<yawn>

> Get a clue eep, no matter how good anything on your web pages may or may
> not be, not everyone gives a damn cause of you and your attitude, and your
> still only one person, with one vote, no matter how much you swear and
> shout, although you are very very funny :)

I get compliments all the time on my website, objects, etc. <shrug>

> Once you can actually back up anything you say with facts as opposed to
> opinions, then perhaps you may get listened to,

Facts are stated all over. Open your eyes and perhaps you'll see them. <shrug>

> till then enjoy dreaming up
> new words and swearing at people while the rest of us get on with having fun
> and improving the product.

<chuckle> You WISH you could improve AW, but are you one of the programmers? Nope. Are you in charge of AW's developmental direction? Oops, nope again. Sit down, twit.

> Personally I believe AW has a way to go and some important things to do, but
> surprisingly, or perhaps not, only one of those is on your web pages, and in
> fact its one of the few throw away comments you obviously heard and didnt
> understand or you would have expanded on it and realise just how important
> that one thing is. Again, that however is only my opinion based on my
> usage but we have just proved its need and its return with our own costs and
> will be submitting the full reasoning and cost justification to AWCOM. If
> they decide to do it, fine, if not fine, theres ways round it if we need
> it.

Blah blah blah, you're so full of hot air you're "point" (if any) is floating away, sport. As you stated above, put up or shut up. <chuckle> Putz..

Jun 23, 2001, 2:06pm

1)Server management
It is one of the best server management available on the net (not even
the many ISPs I have ever had), it is always running, bugs or failures
are fixed in a short time, it is one of the few or maybe the only that
recognized to users additional citizenships' days during longest
failures
2)Browser developement
The continue update and reaserch to improve the browser technology is
excellent
3)Events
All the efforts to put up meetings like the 'Tech Talk' or just to share
events like webcams at shows to virtual join activeworlds at expos
4)Community Human Resources
Although many users may disagree I think this is one of the few
companies where you can talk to their staff, ask questions, give
suggestions, and collaborate to create a better virtual society

Facter,
I have many others good points to tell these are the first things I was
thinking of

icey

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Jun 23, 2001, 2:11pm

[View Quote] >
cannot
>
> Nope. I usually just get tired of dealing with idiots, like you. However,
you seem to at least have SOME things worth responding to interspersed
throughout your otherwise mindless banter...

Ohhhh almost a compliment, please don't.

>
>
> No, my AW improvements page is BASED on Rolu's which was MUCH shorter and
not anywhere NEAR as detailed as mine is. Just about everything I DO is
original, so fuck off.

How soon you get lost in your own arguments. based on.. plagiarised from,
just how many words does it take to be a copy or based on?

>
> OH GOD A FEW INTENTIONAL DEAD LINKS OH NO WHAT EVER WILL I DO OH BOO HOO
CRY FOR ME MORIA

sign of a bad site.. crying for you.

> <roll eyes>
>
>
> AW(CI) has tried to correct errors on my web pages? <chuckle> That's
funny...when?
>
correcting
>
> What the fuck are you babbling about ya fuckin' Brit? Make some sense and
lay off the booze.

okay one example for the simplistic minded :-

Latest incident.. your tips page.. where AW based their page on yours but
added more (bit like your improvements page from Rolu's work) where you
screamed they copied me.. your statement..

Note: 1 byte = 1 ASCII character. AW cell data (byte) limits: "normal" =
1400

correct version on AW page "normal"= 1500

way
>
> Um, how much can I put up without putting up the code to do it? I'm not a
programmer, dipshit.

and until you are, you can in no way prove what your saying only have
opinions on it without really knowing.

may
your
>
> I get compliments all the time on my website, objects, etc. <shrug>

yep, no doubt, not the point.

>
>
> Facts are stated all over. Open your eyes and perhaps you'll see them.
<shrug>

nope opinions are stated all over, not facts, major difference.


fun
>
> <chuckle> You WISH you could improve AW, but are you one of the
programmers? Nope. Are you in charge of AW's developmental direction? Oops,
nope again. Sit down, twit.

If you were a programmer, which your not, you would realise that the base
product is only a starting point. As a programmer you can change the
"system" behind the product in a huge number of ways to do what you want.
Are you a programmer? nope. so sit down twit.

>
but
and in
didnt
important
and
If
need
>
> Blah blah blah, you're so full of hot air you're "point" (if any) is
floating away, sport. As you stated above, put up or shut up. <chuckle>
Putz..
>

I already have, and succesfully. Of course, if you knew anything about AW
you would know that, but surely since you do know everything, you do know
that.. right?

Have a nice day :)

Moria

Jun 23, 2001, 4:27pm

[View Quote] Yo, moron, AWCI isn't the only company in the world that could keep AW
afloat. It's barely afloat anyway :P
AW could be much better than it is today, but Rick and JP want to show off
to the big corporate sponsors with their "groundbreaking technology".

In my opinion, Rick and JP are morons. If this kind of crap keeps up I have
a feeling AW won't be around too much longer.

Don't be so lame, and open your eyes.

--
Shred
Bleh bleh bleh...

Jun 23, 2001, 4:32pm

[View Quote] Every little detail? How about any detail? From reading the website no one
had any idea what the hell was going on.

A message like this would have sufficed:

"During the addition of a new group (general.discussion) to the newsgroups,
we encountered a problem which corrupted the database files. We are
currently working on restoring those files.

Sincerely,
Activeworlds.com, Inc."

Jun 23, 2001, 5:06pm

[View Quote] Cheers. :)

>
eliminating
as
>
> I'm not sure. Its kind of moot anyways - you guys dont think that we know
> that we dont in order to grow, even having a high world price is
prohibitive
> to gettting alrger populations? I wont say much more, but I will throw a
> hint at you all to make you think - imagine if everyone when signing up
for
> the web, got their own small website.

Just what ARE you hinting at, hmm?? You planning on giving out free 10X10
worlds? : ) Me'sa like in any case.


>
> listen
>
>
> I dont know, I think it might be...
>
>
> Cheers.
>
lets
> us
on
>
> Yep, it is good that Roland does those.
>
;)
>
> I think I'm pretty good at it, I get 98% of peoples problems solved =)
>
be
as
> suggestions
>
> Its a good idea, and me and Flagg have been talking about this kind of
thing
> for a while...we'll see what we can come up with...

Sign me up for it. ;) Who knows? Maybe even having someone like eep on it
would help. But if there _are_ elections, good luck to him. =P

>
> F.
>
>

Jun 23, 2001, 5:08pm

.....

SW Chris

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Jun 23, 2001, 5:21pm

[View Quote] If you are going to reply to a post, at least include something relating to
the post. This kind of thing is likely to get you flamed the hell out of
(with reason).

Jun 23, 2001, 6:54pm

[View Quote] I mean if they didn't exist now....
>
> Yea, from many problems caused by themselves (AWCI)...
>
to
to
the
>
> Until they stop being greedy they'll NEVER get it. Money is NOT the
end-all be-all of everything, you know. If Rick and JP TRULY believed in AW
and its future they wouldn't try so hard to milk/bleed it dry. If they don't
want to deal with AW anymore they should just sell it to someone who will
and actually DO something with it instead of letting it flounder in VERY
shallow water...
>

Jun 23, 2001, 7:50pm

> Anyway, when's this new website coming? Sounds like it's going to have
lots of stuff on it.

The first part, will probably be up around July, it has a complete new style
, very much slimmed down and more corporate in feel, with a tech support
database, easier navigation and a couple other things, like the news and
such...

....then, once thats up, I begin work on my.activeworlds.com

...but thats not something I can talk about at the moment =)

F.

Jun 23, 2001, 7:55pm

It doesnt matter, your hell bent on disagreeing and putting me down at every
avenue you get, and your an "anti-cof"er, so nothing I say matters , I could
win a million dollars and you would probably still doubt everythintg I
said, merely because I work for them.

Its a shame some people have such closed minded attitudes. All I asked was
what have we done right, and I know for a fact there are ALOT of things we
HAVE done right - your saying there are none, well, its utterly ludicrous,
so I'm not even going to bother conversing with you anymore on this matter.

*shrugs*

F.

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Jun 23, 2001, 7:57pm

know
> prohibitive
> for
>
> Just what ARE you hinting at, hmm?? You planning on giving out free 10X10
> worlds? : ) Me'sa like in any case.
>
>

*shrugs* not really hinting at anything to tell you the truth, not sure
where you got that from...but you know, *I* think something like that would
be really cool...

F.

Jun 23, 2001, 8:08pm

> OH GOD A FEW INTENTIONAL DEAD LINKS OH NO WHAT EVER WILL I DO OH BOO HOO
CRY FOR ME MORIA
>
> <roll eyes>

Ahem..Eep? Remember the broken image links on that page of mine ? They were
intentional, I never got around to actually *doing* the graphics that I had
_placeholders_ for =P

Not picking mate, jsut pointing something out...sometimes you, as *everyone*
can be, are hippocritical whether they realise it or not =)

F.

Jun 23, 2001, 10:12pm

I have to agree with mike and all the other right thinking PK and AWCOM
haters that have been around long enough to know how terrible you guys are
facter. Those PK's have got to go. Once I was just chatting at awgz and a
PK said 'hello Moff Piett' to me, what a jerk! I mean really. Then all I
did was disagree with the PK on swearing and started swearing at him. Then
what does he do? He wispers "please don't swear at gz" to me. My god!
Where is my freedom of speech??? So I tell him what I think of him, laden
with as much swearing and rudeness I can muster, and what does he do?? He
EJECTS me!! What a nazi!!

I see PK's abusing their power like this all the time. Ejecting people for
flooding, swearing, and making asses of them selves. They usualy give
people warnings, but sometimes if they know someone is a trouble maker they
DON'T GIVE AS MANY WARNINGS!!!!!! My god! They can't even be consistant
nazi's.

And don't get me started on awcom facter. You guys are all the same,
sitting there in your cushy offices "running" OUR community and trying to
make money from it. Yeah you guys claim it costs money to run aw, but 20
bucks a year??! You guys are so greedy it makes me sick. For $20 a year I
expect every single one of my ideas for aw's growth implemented, I want to
be able to do what ever I want in any world, I want everything to be exactly
how I want it and perfect. Oh sure awcom claims it's "improving" the
software but they are going too slow and not implementing the ideas _I_
want. At $20 bucks a year they should be able to make this the most
advanced program ever. Just shows you how little they know about business
and running this place.

awcom and their gustapo like PK's have got to go! I remember way back when
before awcom or COF was around..... yeah it was one world and the software
was terrible, but we didn't have GREEDY NAZI's trying to take our money and
treat us like 1930's russian disadents when we only try to swear or act rude
in a public area.

I've used AW for a long time so I know how to run a business better than
awcom! ME ME ME!! I payed 20 bucks for this so I want everything my way! I
was in aw before COF so I know everything about how to run a community and
business and if anyone tells me otherwise, well, I've got a lower cit
number than you so my opinions are more valid you stupid NEWBIE. By the
way, ME ME ME.

Down with awcom and the PK's !!

Jun 23, 2001, 10:16pm

Doesn't every ISP give 5-10 megs of webspace to every new customers? I've
never seen one that doesn't.

Jun 23, 2001, 10:19pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] If more than 30% of a work is changed, it can't be considered plagarism. Besides, Rolu's format had voting; mine doesn't. Ask anyone who saw Rolu's page and they'll tell you it was nowhere NEAR as detailed and full of improvements as mine is. <shrug>

> CRY FOR ME MORIA
>
> sign of a bad site.. crying for you.

I don't consider INTENTIONAL dead links bad considering I am trying to show people that the links USED to exist. I usually strikethru and/or put the date of when I first noticed the dead link next to it anyway. <shrug>

> funny...when?
> correcting
> lay off the booze.
>
> okay one example for the simplistic minded :-
>
> Latest incident.. your tips page.. where AW based their page on yours but
> added more (bit like your improvements page from Rolu's work) where you
> screamed they copied me..

Turns out kellee created that page and, yes, she DID copy me (with only MINOR rewording). See, turns out she asked me over a year or so ago (which I obviously didn't remember) if she could create a saving cell data tips page using my info. I agreed but didn't realize she would not have at least given me credit for most of the info there (since all she did was reword it a little) and add a little info of her own (though not necessarily related to saving cell data). And must I even MENTION Lucrustia's blatant ripoff? Nah, I'm sure you already know ALL about it since you probably helped her...

> your statement..
>
> Note: 1 byte = 1 ASCII character. AW cell data (byte) limits: "normal" =
> 1400
>
> correct version on AW page "normal"= 1500

I believe that was increased in AW3. I simply forgot to update my page. No one mentioned it until you now. <shrug>

> way
> programmer, dipshit.
>
> and until you are, you can in no way prove what your saying only have
> opinions on it without really knowing.

Bahahaha, what a crock of shit you spew (as usual). One can have IDEAS without having the skills (in this case programming) necessary to implement them, idiot. Ever heard of an architect? Most (if not all) don't build their creations. Many artists over the centuries have had other people create their works (particularly sculpture). Get a clue, uncultured boob.

>
> yep, no doubt, not the point.

Um, attempt to think how "not everyone gives a damn" equates with what I said. Come on, clueless wonder, you can do it...

>
> nope opinions are stated all over, not facts, major difference.

Um, I give link after link showing how AWCI's unique user counts are flawed. <shrug> "Open your fucking eyes, jackass!"

> programmers? Nope. Are you in charge of AW's developmental direction? Oops,
> nope again. Sit down, twit.
>
> If you were a programmer, which your not, you would realise that the base
> product is only a starting point. As a programmer you can change the
> "system" behind the product in a huge number of ways to do what you want.
> Are you a programmer? nope. so sit down twit.

Neither are you--and you have LITTLE to no ideas on how to improve AW:

> floating away, sport. As you stated above, put up or shut up. <chuckle>
> Putz..
>
> I already have, and succesfully. Of course, if you knew anything about AW
> you would know that, but surely since you do know everything, you do know
> that.. right?

<yawn> Uh huh...

> Have a nice day :)

Well, you're just repeating your babble so back to the filter with you. Lemme know when you've evolved a bit more so I can bounce you off the wall some more, lamer. Buh-bye now!

Jun 23, 2001, 10:21pm

OH GOD NO PKS WHAT EVER SHALL WE DO&*# HMM MUTE NO THAT'S TOO FUCKING EASY&$*(#

shaddup...

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Jun 23, 2001, 10:22pm

[View Quote] > CRY FOR ME MORIA
>
> Ahem..Eep? Remember the broken image links on that page of mine ? They were
> intentional, I never got around to actually *doing* the graphics that I had
> _placeholders_ for =P
>
> Not picking mate, jsut pointing something out...sometimes you, as *everyone*
> can be, are hippocritical whether they realise it or not =)

Bullshit, Fac. Had they been "intentional" you would have mentioned that initially until only now. Try again, zippy.

Jun 24, 2001, 12:18am

lol, I must say, as much as I wanted OUT of this post, this post was so
true, it was slightly amusing. :) How come no one ever uses their mute
feature?

Anyways, I've never seen a thread with such a variety of demands. I want pks
here, I don't want pks there, I want this feature, you want that feature, we
don't like Facter, we love Facter...

Can't you guys agree on anything? No wonder AWCOM never listens to any of
you. You guys pull them in 20 different directions at once. At least a
company or corporation has set things in mind. You guys can't even decide
where to start. lol.

Nornny

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:28am

Um, let's make some comparisons between "development rights" between various AW groups who want a single (1) feature requested:

uniserver: $10,000 (cheapest)
people: 1 corporation/company/very rich person (1 faceless entity, basically; perhaps more faces--board of director-types, but no where near citizen equivalent)
effect: apart from AW universe, doesn't contribute to AW community (citizens/worlds never have to even KNOW about AW's--or any other--universe), a VERY limited (few) user(s) (see "people" above) get what they want

world server: ~$100 (below average)
world servers to equal uniserver purchase: ~$100
effect: as much as 250 citizens get their desire/need fulfilled; worlds a part of AW universe, contributing to community

citizenship: $20
citizenships to equal uniserver purchase): 1250 (MANY more potential future world server purchasers and continued citizens)
effect: 1250 citizens get what they want, strengthening the AW universe community even more and furthuring word-of-mouth advertising which could bring in even MORE citizens into AW (which it so DESPERATELY needs), increasing AW's popularity.

YOU do the math, Moff/Moria/AWCI/and anyone else who doesn't get this SIMPLE, BASIC tenet of pleasing the customer and staying in business. It's MORE lucrative to please 1250 users than 250 or even just 1. Start listening to the citizens who keep AW alive through their contributions to the community and continued use of AW!

[View Quote] > And don't get me started on awcom facter. You guys are all the same,
> sitting there in your cushy offices "running" OUR community and trying to
> make money from it. Yeah you guys claim it costs money to run aw, but 20
> bucks a year??! You guys are so greedy it makes me sick. For $20 a year I
> expect every single one of my ideas for aw's growth implemented, I want to
> be able to do what ever I want in any world, I want everything to be exactly
> how I want it and perfect. Oh sure awcom claims it's "improving" the
> software but they are going too slow and not implementing the ideas _I_
> want. At $20 bucks a year they should be able to make this the most
> advanced program ever. Just shows you how little they know about business
> and running this place.

Jun 24, 2001, 6:36am

I think we all can agree to dislike eep, LOL well maybe there are a few
sympathizers out there somewhere right Nornny, LOLOL


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Jun 24, 2001, 7:29am

ummm 1250 citizens at $20 = £25000 not uniserver cost of $10000 that all
other parts of the argument were based around which would be 500 citizens.

Hence my suggestions earlier in the thread for accurate cost analysis rather
than just biased opinion put forward as fact.

when you can get basic maths right, perhaps you can try to teach tenets of
staying in business and elementary maths, till then windows has a neat
feature called calculator.. use it. It actually makes your argument better
the way youve written it even though its still warped and wrong.

Moria


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Jun 24, 2001, 7:32am

£25000 = $25000

M


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Jun 24, 2001, 9:48am

Yes, I originally based the citizen count relative to the more expensive uniserver, but then when I found out one could be bought for only $10K I just forgot to change the citizen count. <shrug>

It's stil a HELLUVA lot more citizens (500) that would be pleased compared to 1 or a few within a corp...

[View Quote] > £25000 = $25000
>
[View Quote] How is it "warped and wrong" aside from the oops-I-forgot-to-adjust-the-citizen-count-don't-sick-Timmy-on-me-please "mistake"? <roll eyes>

Oh and the "world servers to equal uniserver purchase" should be "100", not "~$100" in case you couldn't extrapolate that out all by yourself...I changed it below.

> what
> listening

Jun 24, 2001, 10:32am

[View Quote] > How is it "warped and wrong" aside from the
oops-I-forgot-to-adjust-the-citizen-count-don't-sick-Timmy-on-me-please
"mistake"? <roll eyes>


because you've only taken the parts of the argument into account that
support your theory, youve not looked at all the additional factors that are
needed to actually make the equation work.

Theres additional costs, time and expenses and savings that have to be
factored in to all of the three examples you gave, which all vary based on
the option you select, which you havent mentioned or considered, thus making
the argument worthless and incomplete. Once again, you haven't stated ALL
the facts, just some, the rest is opinion based on incomplete facts. Get
all the facts and THEN show the result, and perhaps you'll be listened to.

If you wish I will explain fully and show you some accurate results, but
that comes under consultation, and there will be a charge. This of course
is a clue to some of what you have ignored to try and prove your point.

Moria

Jun 24, 2001, 12:28pm

I think there are two general groups.

The first and largest group is the kinder, friendlier, more in touch with
reality people who also know what they are talking about. They give
suggestions and try to work for progress. They can see both the good and
the bad of situations.

The second and miniscule group is Eep and his followers like Lanezeri who
hope to "solve" problems by constantly flaming and using profanities all the
time. They know what they are talking about, but because of their powder
keg personalities, they destroy their credibility. Why would anyone want to
listen to someone who constantly insults them?




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Jun 24, 2001, 1:56pm

[View Quote] Not exactly correct, as long as a universe server does not
cost 10,000 square dollars ;)

>
> [...]

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"_
|
/\
\ /
__/ /_

Jun 24, 2001, 2:28pm

>
> Bullshit, Fac. Had they been "intentional" you would have mentioned that
initially until only now. Try again, zippy.
>

Huh? What ARE you talkinga bout? I have been working on that site for a long
time, hell, do you want me to go into my email history and show you the
emails between myself and the graphic designer that was meant to be doing
them ???

I had always intended for the graphics to be there, they were meant to be
stylised icons to fit in with the whole site, then, the graphic designer
dropped out and I stopped development on the whole site - look at the damn
article dates if yoiu want to see when it all dropped off ???

Your odd Eep - jsut because I caught you out, doesnt mean you need to call
me a liar - and mentioned WHAT initially? That site ahs nothing to do with
you, or anyone else in AW, and I never even released it tot he public,
except as an occasional signature line or such to get peoples *input* on it
while I was developing it.

GEt over it Eep, you made a mistake, is it so hard to admit it ?

*sigh*

F.

Jun 24, 2001, 6:41pm

*raises hand*

--
SW Comit
swcomit at swcity.net
Mayor of SW City
http://www.swcity.net
President of Community Linkage Commission
http://comlinkage.tripod.com


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Jun 25, 2001, 8:16am

[View Quote] > initially until only now. Try again, zippy.
>
> Huh? What ARE you talkinga bout? I have been working on that site for a long
> time, hell, do you want me to go into my email history and show you the
> emails between myself and the graphic designer that was meant to be doing
> them ???

I dunno--DO I? <just loves seeing people look lame when they answer with a question>

> I had always intended for the graphics to be there, they were meant to be
> stylised icons to fit in with the whole site, then, the graphic designer
> dropped out and I stopped development on the whole site - look at the damn
> article dates if yoiu want to see when it all dropped off ???

Uh huh...sure you were, Faccy. <pat head>

> Your odd Eep - jsut because I caught you out, doesnt mean you need to call
> me a liar - and mentioned WHAT initially?

Um, try to keep up, sport. Mentioned that the links were "intentionally dead". Reread my response if you have to...

> That site ahs nothing to do with
> you, or anyone else in AW, and I never even released it tot he public,
> except as an occasional signature line or such to get peoples *input* on it
> while I was developing it.

Well it's linked to from Mauz's citizens page. <shrug>

> GEt over it Eep, you made a mistake, is it so hard to admit it ?
>
> *sigh*

Sure, when I make one. ;P

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