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m a r c u s

Jun 6, 2001, 10:47pm
M a r c u s: Do you think pornographic material should be confined to worlds
considered private with this red circle?

Sassysha: actually yes, I dont consider My things pornographic, but porn and
other damaging material like death pictures by a citizen i saw once, very
disturbing, should not be on public worlds
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This was taken from the following conversation. Even the person who put up
the pornographic material realized it should not have been up, and they
changed additional pictures when I showed them that they contained nudity.


Operator: You have a telegram.

Telegram from Sassysha, sent just now:
I don't know why the pictures arent working, the urls probably
changed....may I join on you to see this?

Immigration Officer: Welcome to WildAW - This is a un-moderated world!
Parental discretion is advised - Be part of the WildAW GZ Midi contest -
Just send the best midi you can find that you think is fitting for WildAW
and send it to me - Tom at activeworlds.com
Immigration Officer: You are being joined by Sassysha.
Sassysha: alright, just loading a little M a r c u s
M a r c u s: ok
Sassysha: ohhh
Sassysha: the url must have changed, it wasnt Mine
Sassysha: I get lazy sometimes out here, because I play around with all of
this
Sassysha: would You like to see the house?
M a r c u s: yes
Sassysha: its not deathly or anything, i know the filenames are strange
Sassysha: its fantasy roleplay game stuff
Sassysha: jahni, prostrate before speaking boy
Sassysha: this way M a r c u s :)
Sassysha: the big glasshouse thing isnt Mine
M a r c u s: just so you know, I don't work with Active Worlds in any
capacity outside of just being a citizen
Sassysha: I dont have anything to hide ~laughs~ I just thought it might be
interesting to show someone around who found My place
M a r c u s: ok
M a r c u s: may I ask you a question
Sassysha: sure :)
M a r c u s: how old are you?
Sassysha: late twenties
Sassysha: and You?
M a r c u s: same here, 27 to be exact
Sassysha: good stuff ;)
Sassysha: a lot of kids around
M a r c u s: Did you know children can access this area?
Sassysha: but you get used to the warning signs ~laughs~
Sassysha: yes i know
Sassysha: do you have a problem?
Sassysha: its just based on some sci fi books, its interesting to recreate
the style of building
jahni TGT: this lowly slave kneels to the ground and presses his forehead
roughly against the dirt pleading with his Mistress to allow him entrance
Sassysha: ~looks at him~
M a r c u s: Children can come here and see some of the pictures I find
personally objectionable for children to see. At the same time, I want you
to have the role-playing environment you have created.
M a r c u s: How can we do this?
Sassysha: I understand, but most that pass by here telegram me and they are
generally other builders, not children
Sassysha: this is on the edge of the world :)
Sassysha: lots of Gorean spots along this edge
M a r c u s: I didn't telegram you and I found it
jahni TGT: his hands extended out into the dusty earth in submission to his
dark Mistress
Sassysha: well actually yes
Sassysha: enter jahni and come here pet
Sassysha: you did
M a r c u s: It's not that I don't want it in Active Worlds, I just think
there should be an adult section for this material where children can't
access.
Sassysha: i get grams about how pretty it is, people love the desert theme
and tele me to tell me they liked it
Sassysha: well thats why I keep the hard core stuff to My home world in AW
M a r c u s: Are you aware people reported the area I showed you to Active
Worlds during the month of April?
Sassysha: this is just experimental building a nice tame holiday home, so to
speak
jahni TGT: thelowly boy kneels at the beautiful Mistress's side, bathing in
the power radiating from her body
Sassysha: no thats interesting
M a r c u s: Apparently, they decided your pictures were ok, even though
children could get access to it
Sassysha: if someone emailed me with problems from activeworlds, then i
would hear that way, but since wildaw is unmoderated, its more free in
building styles
M a r c u s: that makes sense
Sassysha: well hmm, no more pictures lol
M a r c u s: Yes, since Active Worlds did not take the pictures down, a
group of people reported it to the server holding the pictures
Sassysha: im sorry that you find it offensive M a r c u s, not my intention
to harm anyones children or such, not many people come out here is all
Sassysha: and all this time no one telegrammed me, thats strange
M a r c u s: and I don't think you meant it, I am trying to find a middle
ground here
Sassysha: of course i didnt
Sassysha: they were pretty female art, paintings and i liked them.
M a r c u s: Sassy, the reason why I waited was because I wanted to
establish what Active Worlds allows and doesn't allow
Sassysha: mmhmm
M a r c u s: Sassy, I agree they were, but I don't think they would be
suitable in a children's classroom
Sassysha: ill save it next time lol
Sassysha: sorry to offend You M a r c u s, children shouldnt be unsupervised
anywhere, i wouldnt let my children if i had them online unsupervised, this
is a barren part of the world, i hardly ever meet anyone and i am out here a
lot with friends.
M a r c u s: I found one picture in the building here showing nudity, and I
am asking that you remove it.
Sassysha: wheres this M a r c u s.
M a r c u s: I'll show you
Sassysha: in here is My slaves , not Mine
M a r c u s: ok, the name is ambika sas, this is not you?
Sassysha: no, the Sas is my collar, ambika is the individual
Sassysha: different person
M a r c u s: Do you talk to this person still?
Sassysha: but I have access to all her privileges as her owner
Sassysha: i will change it in her stead
M a r c u s: I see
M a r c u s: thanks
Sassysha: youre welcome, i am civil lol
M a r c u s: So far, the ironic part is, you have been the only one who has
within the past 2 months
Sassysha: of who?
Sassysha: how is that for you
M a r c u s: I think that is fine, I wouldn't consider it under the category
of pornographic material
Sassysha: ~nods~
Sassysha: is thereanything else bothering you?
M a r c u s: not in here, are there other areas you post pictures that might
be as objectionable?
Sassysha: dont think so
Sassysha: not in this world ~laughs~
M a r c u s: Right, do you have pornographic material in any other worlds
that children may have access to?
Sassysha: no, they are private worlds
Sassysha: like I said, this is just a nice quiet away place to try out
different decoration schemes, have some fun
M a r c u s: by private you mean with a red circle next to their name?
Sassysha: yes
M a r c u s: Ok, 1 final quesion if I may
M a r c u s: Do you think pornographic material should be confined to worlds
considered private with this red circle?
Sassysha: actually yes, I dont consider My things pornographic, but porn and
other damaging material like death pictures by a citizen i saw once, very
disturbing, should not be on public worlds

mongo

Jun 7, 2001, 2:57am
I post this on behalf of Sassysha, who does not currently have an installed
news reader:

From Citizen name: Sassysha

This M a r c u s, explicitly posted this conversation here without My
consent, I told him clearly that I did not want to be part of his crusade.

However, if you will examine the words closely, you will see that I told him
clearly, My pictures were not porn, but art, in a basic little house with a
fire, the decor based on a science fiction novel that I admire.

I apologized for offending him personally and changed one that He had some
problem with, because I am curteous, and dont wish to upset people.

Now, this person, broadcasting My private conversation and name publicly has
angered Me, especially the names of two other people, who have nothing to do
with his "problems".

M a r c u s, I agree there are children in AW, and like with television or
browsing anywhere else on the internet, it is up to their parents to take
care of them ultimately.

I understand your concerns, and enjoy your little battle, build yourself a
house with a nice artwork framed on the wall, and keep Myself and My friends
out of it in future thankyou.

I am not here to be a politician or to have arguments, here to enjoy this
beautiful program in peace thankyou.

Sassysha.



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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 3:31am
The conversation took place in a public world. If it were private, it
should have been in a private world.

Keep things private to the private area (points to the red circled worlds)
Use the public area for things you wish to make public (points to the green
circled worlds)

Can we get this simple concept down?

Green with public
Red with private

Thank you

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chucks party

Jun 7, 2001, 3:39am
My God those Goreans are a bunch of brainwashed sickos, LOL Unbelieveable
really that people can be so prehistoric like, lol But you see how Sassy
tries to justify having porn on a public build world by trying to say she
has seen death pictures, but death pictures as long as they aren't nude or
real pictures with real blood and are not sexually explicit are not illegal,
porn is. And if I remember correctly there are also signs posted at WildAW's
GZ saying porn will be removed from that world if anyone reports it to
Tom at activeworlds.com
and I post the deffinition of pornography again for those of you who are
still unclear what it is...........

Main Entry: por·nog·ra·phy
Pronunciation: -fE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from
pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros
journey -- more at FARE, CARVE
Date: circa 1864
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to
cause sexual excitement
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is
intended to cause sexual excitement
3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick
intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>

This is your brain, this is your brain reading the deffinition of
pornography, is there any question about what it is now? Textures or
pictures with nude women or men wether they are drawn or sitting in a chair
getting their picture taken is pornography, I don't care how AW.com wants to
justify it, it is what it is. I know people are going to call it art, and
yes I will agree with you that pornography is an art form no doubt, but it
is still pornography.




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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 4:51am
Tom did receive email regarding this. Why not make it a red world? This way
it is harder for children to access.

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wing

Jun 7, 2001, 7:40am
Because you idiot, WildAW is a PUBLIC WORLD. There is a limit to how many people you can add to the entry list and do you know how
many headaches it would cause to add everyone who asked anyway?

WildAW has little to no content guidelines anyway, anything goes.
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kellee

Jun 7, 2001, 7:50am
Red worlds cannot be accessed by any one without a PPW, you you you ....
"some one that defies discription"

can you REALLY use what you posted without realising that A/ you should have
obtained the permission of the other person involved and without B/
realising you where only furthering the Gorean cause? you made the person
that you spoke with appear as a sensible, sensitive, intelligent person so
opposed to yourself ..... for the sake of all thats sacred, you detracted
from your cause and made Goreans ( and theres no reason an individual
shouldnt) appear like adult sensible ppl that have AW's best interests at
heart as opposed to the likes of shit stirrers like you.

why do u persist on posting when you know NOTHING, but NOTHING about aw
community, policy and procedure?????

Not only posting like some sort of idiot, but actually attempting to give us
advice on how behave and actually trying to assert the fact that you have
superiority when it comes to morale behaviour.

good grief


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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 7:55am
Feel free to tell me what you want instead.

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 7:57am
Porn is not an excuse to relieve one's responsibility to keep porn
inaccessible from children. I am sorry Active World's cannot make it so you
can adjust to this reality. Please talk to them about making it easier to
have a red world for adults who want to display pornographic material within
their builds. I will fully support you in your actions if you do so.

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mongo

Jun 7, 2001, 8:02am
We want you to trim down a 12k post, when you're adding a single sentance to
the post. We want you to pull your head out of your ass, and take a look at
the real world, rather than whatever alternate universe you exist in. Better
yet, we want you to shrivel up, like a hemerrhoid with the proper
application of Preparation H. PS Have a nice day.

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 8:05am
ok, I will. (when I find out how, LOL), it always puts things from previous
posts. Is there a global command?

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nornny

Jun 7, 2001, 8:48am
umm...no, any usage of conversations, through whispers or in a public chat
shouldn't be posted without consent, especially when the person you're
conversing with says its not okay. It might not be a direct rule, but it's
definately common courtesy, which you really show none by posting this. It's
not going to kill anyone or make us care anymore in the first place. You're
hurting a nice person, you're becoming more hyppocritical by the minute
(this one just tops the Top ten immoral things that can be done in AW), and
YOU'RE RUINING YOUR IMAGE! If you think trampeling others and degrading
everyone is the way to win a war, well, you're obviously not winning anyone
over here.

If porn is immoral, maybe you're just another porn picture. Personally, I
don't see any "art" in yourself, where I can see art if an artist creates
it. Be an artists, not a conartist.

Nornny

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nornny

Jun 7, 2001, 8:59am
Well, it's not AWCOM's fault, they made a "ratings" system for parents to
look at and put a reasonable rating. If they don't do it, their kids will
turn it to X and be able to enter any world, which would be the parents
fault, not ours, yours, or AWCOM's.

Nornny

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xavarella

Jun 7, 2001, 9:37am
It's called highlight and the delete key. That's how you do it.

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 4:47pm
Interesting, I can't post text but you can post pornographic material in a
public place?

Is this what you are saying?

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 4:54pm
I repeat, existance of adult material is not a reason to keep it open where
kids can have access to.

As adults, in the real world and here we are supposed to be a little bit
more responsible and not let this kind of thing enter the classroom or
stores where kids go.

When there is pornographic material sold in stores where I go to, children
are not allowed there. Most of the time it is near the cash register.

I wonder what would happen if during the application process for getting a
world or just citizenship to Active Worlds, there were ads for porn or
simply a picture of a naked person. Do you think a conscientious parents
would feel comfortable handing over money to them?

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wing

Jun 7, 2001, 4:57pm
Your asking a lot. Rewrite a program to suit you, waste valuable employee time typing numbers and verifying age. Facter, how many
people work there? How many people would it take to do what is being asked by this guy? Alternatively, Roland could implement a
password to change the ratings which is entered the first time the user sets the ratings and stored in the registry, preferably
encrypted where little kiddies can't muck around. Then it's the PARENT's responsibility to set that rating to what they deem
appropriate. Hrmm, maybe 20-50 lines of code?
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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 4:59pm
well, apparently, others don't do it as much, or else I wouldn't be getting
a history of the conversation to post with, which I prefer having.

It's good to look back and understand the content of the conversation. Now
some people like this "mongo" person can see why they are having problems
reading my posts. They delete a big portion of it LOL. Thanks for taking
the bait here.

If they don't want the text then they can respond without it and I won't add
it back in. Problem solved :-)


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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 5:09pm
If it takes rewriting to help protect children from pornographic material,
and someone wants to teach me the process, give me time and place and I will
learn it it for free.

That's me, I don't know about Roland, Facter, Tom, or anyone else who
refuses to help in the matter.

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wing

Jun 7, 2001, 6:18pm
Okay. You refuse to realize that the worlds don't revolve around you. *filter*
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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 6:21pm
nope it doesn't, hence the children I am looking after :-)

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mongo

Jun 7, 2001, 6:31pm
BOTH can be equally obscene, when they are without any redeeming social
values whatsoever, and your credibility is plummeting faster than a rock
thrown off a cliff. Keep it up, dipshit - we got all the time in the world
to dissect you like a lab rat, verbally.

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 6:35pm
"BOTH can be equally obscene", so should both go then?



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goober king

Jun 7, 2001, 7:13pm
Did it ever occur to you, Marcus, that the person who put the porn in AW in the first
place is one of these "kids" you are so desperate to protect? In the vast majority of
porn cases, it's put up by some horny adolescent teenager who thinks it'd be funny to
put up naked people all over the place. It's not as if it's put up by some 40 yr old
pervert who doesn't leave the house. And in all of the other cases, (such as this
one) it's more art than it is porn, and nothing happens to it.
So perhaps you need to learn more about these situations before you climb up on you
soapbox to defend all those "helpless kids".

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Goober King
Common sense... level... falling...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 8:02pm
I ask you to read the post I made. It clearly states this individual is in
their late 20's. If it were a child, a teenager, or a 40 year old as you
put it, it doesn't provide exception to a rule that there should not be
pornographic material in public areas of Active Worlds.

This addresses all ages.


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nornny

Jun 7, 2001, 8:06pm
Duh!

1) Don't post porno in AW.

2) Don't post private conversations in public without consent in the NG.

Why? Both can be seen as immoral. Although ONE can be argued as art, the
other can't be justified in any correct manner. So, should I send an abuse
report to AWCOM? Think it will get through, get read, and be dealt with
eventually? ;)


Nornny

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nornny

Jun 7, 2001, 8:10pm
I think the children you're looking after are in AW looking at the porn in
Alphaworld, because now they know it exists, thanks to someone who couldn't
keep matters in private, but had to share with the whole community.

Alphaworld, WildAW, and all of the public worlds are rated PG or higher
because they obviously need a parental guardian to be there to watch over
what is seen. If parents take care of what their children are doing, instead
of companies and paranoid freaks, we wouldn't have this problem. So blame
the parents of the children who see or post pornography. That's attacking
the source and getting porn wiped out entirely. Attacking AWCOM and the
newsgroup won't get your porn deleted any faster, if you haven't noticed.

Nornny

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nornny

Jun 7, 2001, 8:12pm
The reason why you cut out posts or snip or whatever is for the Europeans,
who are charged by the bandwith they use in the newsgroup. So, in having
your WHOLE conversation with only one line of text in response because
you're too lazy to just look back at the thread , you cost the people who
are charged to view newsgroup more money, which isn't very nice, and you're
not going to get very nice and informative responses either.

Nornny

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 8:45pm
"1) Don't post porno in AW."

"Although ONE can be argued as art, the
other can't be justified in any correct manner."
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Which is it? either it is acceptable/justifiable or it isn't. You are
stradling both sides of the fence by saying those 2 different things.

What I copied and pasted here was comprised of a telegram and a conversation
in a public format (green colored world signifying it being a public world).
If the telegram must go because it was only sent to me, then remove just
that telegram. I will understand that argument.

However, the conversation after the telegram was seen by multiple people in
a PUBLIC world, hence constituting nothing private. By allowing others to
see this, it doesn't make it any more public,just makes more informed. I
didn't change a single word by this person to misrepresent them. They are
free to dispute that here, but there is no need. It was raw data collected
for the help of the community where I posted it. I didn't post it outside
of the community, nor will I. I have not been told of any alternatives
after posting it, and I am willing to help out in any way I can if told so.

If anyone wants to discuss things with me private, then I ask that you to
tell me it in a private format. Active Worlds has red worlds, and they have
green worlds. Red worlds are private, and green worlds are public. If you
invite me to a red world and tell me, or telegram me then it would be deemed
private in my opinion.

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m a r c u s

Jun 7, 2001, 8:50pm
If you are 100% right, more the reason to remove pornographic material.

I will not take the credit for influencing anyone else to report
pornographic material that is eventually removed. You do it at your own
reward and I commend you if you do.

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