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Jun 5, 2001, 10:49pm

5 year old? :::snicker:::

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Jun 5, 2001, 11:48pm

Yes, they are quite common in Activeworlds it seems.
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Jun 6, 2001, 12:11am

Woo for you, here's a cookie. You saved us all from that dastardly porn! Let your
name be shouted from the highest mountain!!

What does it matter what I did or did not do? This isn't my problem, it's yours. What
*I* have a problem with is the fact that you seem to think AWCom should be held
responsible because you failed to learn how to "play the game", as it were. It's not
their fault that you click in the right place.

And, yet again, you've succeeded in avoiding actually telling us who it was you
contacted. Why can't you answer this simple question? Is it because you, in fact, did
get the proper replies and you just didn't use them? What is there to hide? If these
PKs wronged you so, then it should be a simple matter to point the finger and say
"This guy and this guy and this guy all ignored me!" If you give us that info, you
can be sure those people will be dealt with.

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Goober King
Thinks maybe he should start mentioning who he contacted at the beginning of the
post...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 12:23am

Read the posts goober, I have told many people in many places who I
contacted. If I didn't, there wouldn't be a number of people objecting to
the fact I reported in the first place cause there wouldn't be posts to read
about this.

Your logic and ignorance of the fact I do post is either a "game" as you put
it, or a total lack of ability to follow a thread. Do you just look for
responses to your posts or do you actually read the content within the
threads on this Newsgroup to see the information you are seeking? Cause it
is there.

If you expect people who never reported porn to AW to all of a sudden know
the "game" and go to a url out on the web or know to click a trash can to
fill out a form, then I can surely expect you to read threads of messages
where you don't have to go to outside information. It's all on this NG area
and no URL's are hidden. I won't make you go somewhere else to contact me.
You can just do it here and feel comfortable that I will respond here,
unlike Inactiveworlds who prefers to sit there doing nothing.


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Jun 6, 2001, 12:35am

That's just it, chief. You *never* told *anyone* here in the NG who you contacted. I
have read *every* single post in all these threads (unlike some people) And not once
did I see you say "I showed it to PeaceKeeper <insert number here> and he didn't do
anything" or "I emailed abuse/support/facter/whoever at activeworlds.com and never got
back a reply". All you said was that you "contacted people" and you never heard back
from them. It's very easy to be ignorant of the facts when they aren't even
presented! So let's see 'em!

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Goober King
What, does he live in these NGs or something?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 12:38am

Ask a friend, maybe they can help you find the email addresses. Class, turn
to chapter 2 "How to teach Goober how to read"


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Jun 6, 2001, 12:44am

911 is on TV all the time, it's on the radio too it's not something hidden
or out of reach or on a garbage can somewhere, lol This is a number
ingrained in our minds from birth and school, so that analogy has been
deemed SNERTIFIED and completely MORONIC.


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Jun 6, 2001, 1:18am

Don't you just love it when people seem to think you actually care when they filter
you? I guess it helps their ego or something... *cough*Eep*cough*

And coming from someone who spent practically an entire month using a website as a
front to attack one single person, that's not saying much. When it comes to "moronic
idiotic assinine" posts, you take the cake, my friend.

I must confess, however, that it makes me wonder. Why is it that Chuck is so quick to
defend Marcus? Chuck was in no way, shape, or form involved in this whole incident,
yet he's constantly cheering on Marcus' "cause" and is always the first person to
step in and defend Marcus' integrity. Perhaps it's because he managed to lose *his*
integrity, and needs some other cause to try and redeem himself? Or maybe he thinks
he's "pulling a Jeiden" and fighting for the underdog? Who knows. Only one man can
answer that question, and he most likely wouldn't even answer it anyway. Yea, I
realize he probably won't read this, but I could care less. 'Tis merely just musing
on my part for the rest of the community to ponder... Anyone else care to take a
guess?

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Goober King
And the silence continues to grow...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 1:25am

Haha! You hit the bulls-eye on this one, Goober!

My two cents.
Marcus is trying to argue something that could MAYBE turn into a good topic
to reply to/read but it seems whenever Chuck steps in, it turns rotton. If
I were Marcus, I would tell Chuck to keep his nose out of it because,
frankly, Chuck just keeps making him look bad.
--
Syntax
syntax at swcity.net
www.swcity.net

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Jun 6, 2001, 1:33am

Considering the principle of the issue, I reported porn to 2 bodies of
people. One responded that wasn't associated with Inactiveworlds in any way
shape or form to remove the porn and they apparently closed the account
holding the porn. However, the contacts I did make in April associated with
Active Worlds did absolutely nothing to help in the removal of the porn.

Going on that, any reasonable person who wants porn out of Active Worlds
would most likely concur that my "cause" is a good cause and support its
actions. I personally don't see it as my "cause". I am sure there are
others who don't even read this NG who feel it is their "cause" as well to
help remove porn from Active Worlds.

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Jun 6, 2001, 3:21am

Hey Goober... For once you are very smart... That is the same feelings
i have when people try to filter & block me... BUT at least now it's
your turn to see how it is.... Really funny isn't it...
Heheheheeee!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!! lol!!!!!!!

I don't really care either.
And so i keep right on going & going & going & going [like that little
bunny].

goober king <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in
<3B1DA1CF.7881305 at acsu.buffalo.edu>:

>Don't you just love it when people seem to think you actually care when
>they filter you? I guess it helps their ego or something...
>*cough*Eep*cough*
>
>And coming from someone who spent practically an entire month using a
>website as a front to attack one single person, that's not saying much.
>When it comes to "moronic idiotic assinine" posts, you take the cake, my
>friend.
>
>I must confess, however, that it makes me wonder. Why is it that Chuck
>is so quick to defend Marcus? Chuck was in no way, shape, or form
>involved in this whole incident, yet he's constantly cheering on Marcus'
>"cause" and is always the first person to step in and defend Marcus'
>integrity. Perhaps it's because he managed to lose *his* integrity, and
>needs some other cause to try and redeem himself? Or maybe he thinks
>he's "pulling a Jeiden" and fighting for the underdog? Who knows. Only
>one man can answer that question, and he most likely wouldn't even
>answer it anyway. Yea, I realize he probably won't read this, but I
>could care less. 'Tis merely just musing on my part for the rest of the
>community to ponder... Anyone else care to take a guess?

Jun 6, 2001, 11:17am

nggggg >_< For someone who claims to be all about protecting the community, you're
not very interested in actually *listening* to that community! Our problem isn't that
he's making porn an issue. Frankly, I think that porn removal should be discussed,
since it's obvious that the system isn't that "user-fiendly". If anything, all these
threads have served to educate everyone else on how the system works, (I say everyone
*else* since it seems Marcus, the target of this information, refuses to accept it)
and they'll learn what *not* to do.

Our problem stems from the fact that Marcus seems to think AWCom should be held
responsible for his ignorance. I'll agree that the system could be a bit more clear,
but that probably would only happen if miraculously every single org in AW decided to
link up to every other org in AW. And considering the interests of the people that
would be involved, I doubt that'll happen any time soon. But when Marcus starts
sending emails to AWCom *just* to see if they'll reply back, then the issue has
ceased to be about porn, and instead has turned into simple, underhanded baiting. Now
his only interest is in proving AWCom wrong. That was the "cause" I was speaking of,
and the "cause" Chuck seems so quick to defend.

Oh, and Chuck, if you happen to read this, you probably should know that any respect
you may have had in this NG is now gone thanks to that last post of yours. That post
right there proves that you don't care about the community. All you cared about was
getting Just In out of AW because you felt it would make AW safer somehow. Once Just
In was gone, you'd probably never be heard from again. This, ladies and gentlemen, is
what we refer to as a "hypocrite". :)

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Now you know *why* they are the underdogs...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 11:24am

Well,it may carry other issues as you mention. However simply put, they
(AWCOM) need info to monitor. I want to make sure they get it. Emailing me
back saying they got would help me make sure they got it. Then they can do
whatever they want with this person, whether it be nothing or check other
reports against their account and then take proper action that they see fit.

I won't play dumb and say that is the only thing, but the response in email
is AT LEAST one of the things I was bringing about through my dogged
persistence in here and in email and in forms, and to the servers holding
the porn.


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Jun 6, 2001, 2:05pm

of course, if you were based in somewhere like Holland (for example) and
stored your pictures on a Dutch server, then you wouldn't have a problem
with pictures of naked people, and if someone deleted it without checking
first, they would be the ones in trouble:)) Even in the UK, its possible to
display adult mags next to the candy in a newsagent, its just not permitted
to sell the mag to anyone under 18, but you can display the cover, which
agreed is less explicit than the insides of the mag, but is still nudity:))

Moria


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> since it's obvious that the system isn't that "user-fiendly". If anything,
all these
> threads have served to educate everyone else on how the system works, (I
say everyone
> *else* since it seems Marcus, the target of this information, refuses to
accept it)
> and they'll learn what *not* to do.

Jun 6, 2001, 7:34pm

If Active Worlds (working from USA) is going to go out of laws that USA has,
then sure. You have a good position if we are trying to go in that
direction.

I assume since they are in USA, people would be required the rules in USA
(when in Rome, do as the Romans do). If Holland wants to make a Holland
version of Active Worlds, making it possible to expose whatever pornography
material to children there, then I for one will obey their rules when and if
I ever sign on to thier service by not objecting.


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Jun 6, 2001, 7:40pm

I would do a US laws with a brand of Roman and Dutch on top This is
really intop_hic LOL

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Jun 6, 2001, 7:51pm

I think you chewed on some of the content behind your message, it's all
garbled. Can you re-type it making it more coherent please?

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:16pm

I think the internet has a new big problem emerging which is due to
culture globalization, computers are becoming more friendly to users and
there is a fast growing number of connections, the internet is getting
crowded and people from different countries can easily meet and exchange
opinions. Laws and rules are different though and still linked to single
countries while the internet lacks of international rules and laws.
'What can be done here may be wrong there'..but we are still playing in
the same virtual space...
icey

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:26pm

Yes but the servers are still based in the USA, that's the law they must
abide by. Makes no difference what other countries laws are, if they want to
be exempt from those laws they can move their servers to another country
that allows it, but it ain't here, lol


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Jun 6, 2001, 8:43pm

I am not sure that will apply for any country!

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:47pm

Yes I haven't got much time atm..anyway I agree with you, I just wanted
to point out a problem about legal and illegal issues over the net. So
your server located in the country x follow rules y but if I live in the
country b and have laws c I can maybe hack your server without even
beign prosecuted...
take care
icey

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:53pm

woahhh :))

the AW server is in the USA, BUT, if the material is not on theAW server,
its a linked jpg, then its not down to AW server, its where the server is
that contains the image. That image is sent direct from the server its on
to you, not via the AW server, therefore, if its legal in the country its
hosted in, although it may be illegal for you to view it, its not actually
in breach of conditions. AW may still, in their discretion remove it, BUT
they should be careful.

I am not saying it should be free for all, am just saying the implications
are much wider than some think.

The fact that your in the US may well make it illegal for you to view
material on the net or even in AW, BUT, as long as the material is not
stored on the netin the USA, and having a picture load direct from a server
to your machine, if the material is legal in the country of origin, theres
absolutely nothing you can do except not view it.

The only possible option, is that an object that is stored on a server in
the US has a link to something not in the US that is considered illegal in
the US.. but so far, any attempt to try and get that ratified has failed.

Providing the source of the material, on the server its on is legal, then to
deny that is to violate the free speech ethos that so many here desperately
try to defend, when it suits them to do so.

Remember, whether you like it or not, this is a global community. There are
many other things that are legal in the US that aren't in other countries,
and similar problems exist in reverse, but for some reason, no-one in the US
seems to worry about those, but it explains why AW and some other internet
programs are banned in a couple of countries. A notable example was that in
the early years of AW, we had some users in the middle east, but to get AW
they had to log onto an ISP outside their own country, as there was a
problem with the female avatars being to exposed for the liking of the local
authorities.

AW covers itself as well as it can, but unless they restrict usage to only
the USA, then these things will happen, and in increasing frequency.

At the end of the day, like any internet software, kids should not use it
unsupervised, and people should be aware of the global scale of things, not
just the localised ones.

I am not advocating the use of things like porn, I am only saying that their
use in something like AW has to be expected, since it is not just a US based
system.

Moria



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Jun 7, 2001, 4:11am

Well you ain't hacking this puter, I have Zone Alarm, LOL


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Jun 7, 2001, 4:14am

BZZZ wrong answer moria, you waived those rights when you installed the
software. No matter what country you are from.

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Jun 7, 2001, 4:50am

dream on:)

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