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Jun 4, 2001, 2:34pm

Since you newbies don't know a thing about how to act online here is a guide
that will show you what is considered bad form.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html

And yes the link does work.

Jun 4, 2001, 2:54pm

"Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you follow in
real life"

PROTECTING CHILDREN FROM SMUT 101

1. In "real life", if person A puts a porn magazine in a park opened with a
nude picture near a tree not in obvious view from the entrance of a park,
and person B comes to the park, sees the magazine and reports it to person C
who is representing the park, but person C does nothing about, is this ok?
Or is it wrong? What should person C do? (get your scan tron sheet out and
number 2 font color)

a)report it to someone higher up who can remove it
b)remove it if they are allowed to by the park
c)pass the buck, have person B do the work alone to find someone higher up
referred to in number 1 choice
d)post statements in a NG about how someone is trying to clean up smut from
the park, but do nothing else to help remove the porn. Then, when smut is
removed, tell everyone what could have been done after person B did all the
work.
e)ask which tree it is, and go check it out



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Jun 4, 2001, 2:59pm

marcus this isn't for the porn stuff this is for those newbies that don't
even know the rules. So please don't bring that now dead topic into this
particular thread.

Be happy that the porn is gone. And leave the rest be.
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Jun 4, 2001, 3:09pm

removing porn from kid's reach is not old

I have not received any notice from Inactiveworlds, nor do I expect to, that
they have realized they need to improve the way porn found on their server
is dealt with so people like me do not have to go out of their system to do
their work.

I would love to return to the environment I started off in, but with the
conditions changed in respect to removing porn because right now there is no
assurance the same thing won't happen again. And maybe the next server will
allow the smut to stay. If both the server and active worlds allows it,
then there is no way it will be removed.

I got lucky, the server holding porn was intelligent enough to not only
remove the porn, but they closed the whole account which was filled with
additional porn.

Active Worlds would have found the same thing if they had stepped up to the
plate and done their homework.



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Jun 4, 2001, 3:14pm

correction "on their server" should be changed to "through their server" for
better clarification. The porn was found through their server, it was not
stored on their server.
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Jun 4, 2001, 3:24pm

Your right it is important to keep smut from kids.

But did you send the requests to the correct places?

did you email:

cof at activeworlds.com
or
support at activeworlds.com

You could always have called them at

(978) 499-0222

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Jun 4, 2001, 3:37pm

Actually you should contact GET. AWCI cannot really do anything to remove
it because hte problem is so large! Peacekeeper.net hosts the GET submition
form, although they are two different entities. Just go to
www.peacekeeper.net and click on the link "Help with Object Removal" to get
to the form.

Within a few days to week, a representative of GET will contact you via
telegram on whether or not they were allowed to remove the objects. With
porn, it's a sure bet they will.

SW Chris

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Jun 4, 2001, 3:38pm

Stop questioning me on that. I don't think forcing someone to go to a right
source is the right way to do this. I was in a state of not knowing.
People were more knowledgeable than me about this. If they had told the
person or person who could remove it, then it would have been better.
Apparently, they chose to do nothing, or they didn't know themself.

So, what is wrong with telling a PK. PK tells Get, or they tell someone who
knows to contact GET.





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Jun 4, 2001, 3:40pm

Chris, for a month I asked about the smut and no one told be about GET until
now.

I don't think forcing someone to contact the right source is the right way
to do this.

Please listen, if I report to PK, then PK reports to GET, then people who
are in the state of not knowing still have a way to get the porn removed.

Forcing someone to find the right source means it will take longer for the
porn to be removed since in my case at least no one told me about GET til
now.



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Jun 4, 2001, 3:45pm

[View Quote] Or abuse at activeworlds.com ?

I know for a fact that support at activeworlds.com never received *anything* on
this matter - also, out of 86 million objectsin a hugely public world, do
you know how hard it is to check every one of them for things like that?
Also, we are in the same position as any other ISP, if you read in your user
agreement you will note

"AWCOM exercises no screening, editorial, or other control over Content
available to you through your use of the Software and AW Software, and
Content may include material that could be deemed distasteful, misleading,
inaccurate, offensive, pornographic or otherwise objectionable. Furthermore,
use of the Software or AW Software does not guarantee any privacy or
confidentiality of any Content you post or make available through the
Software and AWCOM assumes no responsibility or liability for the
preservation of such Content and may modify or remove it at AWCOM's sole
discretion. You hereby release AWCOM from any and all liability for all
claims related to Content as well as claims related to the security or level
of privacy provided."

We will do whatever we can to remove such, but we are under absolutly no
liablity in regards to content as agreed to in your user agreement when
signing up to use our softeware, and there is no guarantee that you will not
be confronted with such material in our software.

If there are complaints on the matter,s end them to abuse at activeworlds.com
or support at activeworlds.com and they will be looked into - but if we do not
receive the emails, then please do not complain about inaction, as we have
no way of doing anything if we dont even get your complaints.

No further correspondance on this issue will be entered into beyond this
post, if you have other concerns, please email us directly.

Fletch
AW Support.

Jun 4, 2001, 3:46pm

Simple there are a few PK that are idiots and don't give a damn. Though most
are helpful, some would more likely eject you rather than look at you.

You got to know which PKs to talk to.
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Jun 4, 2001, 3:51pm

Hey Nornny do you still have the ng FAQs? If so why not try posting them
again.

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Jun 4, 2001, 3:54pm

All I have to say is get off your high horse and look into what I am saying.

I have sent you bozos many emails at support at activeworlds.com

Am I lying? ask Fletch. How do I know fletch? well gee I wonder...

You of all people are illustrating exactly how much Active Worlds chooses to
ignore the individual like me who is trying to get rid of porn for a good
cause so kids are not exposed to it.

Every attempt of mine is dealt with by another person. I can't get one
person to sit down and work this out with me. Each person reads a glimpse
of my posts and assumes I didn't bring up something they are about to
propose. I did email, I did contact people, and I tried. Active Worlds did
nothing. One email to the server holding the porn, and they did something.

For your sake, listen to what I have to say, because the next server might
allow the porn. If you do nothing about it, I will help find someone who
will put Active Worlds in their place.

Porn should not be easily accessible to children.

If it's not a law yet, call it the Marcus act of 2001




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Jun 4, 2001, 3:58pm

How about spending more time in Active Worlds helping people? Maybe post
the FAQ's there.

Maybe put something that says "PORN if found will be removed, contact here"
in the Active Worlds area.

Do something


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Jun 4, 2001, 4:08pm

marcus I wasn't critizing you I was trying to help by pointing out
information you may have missed.

Even I forgot to add in abuse at activeworlds.com and Factor was good enough to
remind us about that one.

It also reminded me a general given about ISPs if you see something like
spam smut or what ever that is offensive try sending an email to
abuse at ISPname and you'll usually get some response.

Though how I could forget that when I had to program a macro to
automatically send the 2000 daily spams I get to the abuse department of the
domain they come from, is a surprise to me.
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Jun 4, 2001, 4:16pm

Why don't we get a baton and run from city to city painting it with all the
red tape that is being spewed here.

How many contacts does it need to get rid of porn? Why not have people go
in, see the porn and remove it.

There is a lot of effort here to not do the job, but get around it by
offering emails.

I did email, and nothing happened until I emailed the server holding the
porn.

And for allowing the porn to stay in active worlds, I say to Active Worlds,
FUCK YOU!!!


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Jun 4, 2001, 4:24pm

marcus the porn is gone, you don't have to make this into an obsession. Not
everyone wants to hear about porn this and porn that all the time.

And don't forget porn is only on the internet because it makes lots of
money. But banning it won't make it go away it will only cause it to hide
more and become more appealing to the mushrooms that get hooked by it.

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Jun 4, 2001, 4:32pm

"marcus the porn is gone, you don't have to make this into an obsession. "
Porn is not gone. Just because I have helped remove 4 pictures in 2
incidents doesn't mean a server which allows porn on their server won't
eventually be linked through Active Worlds. This vulnerability should be
addressed, not the porn itself.

"Not everyone wants to hear about porn this and porn that all the time."
Then I suggest they ignore the posts regarding that which they don't want to
read. I am being forced to do the same with porn.

"And don't forget porn is only on the internet because it makes lots of
money. But banning it won't make it go away it will only cause it to hide
more and become more appealing to the mushrooms that get hooked by it."

Never said they should ban it. Keep it away from the kiddies. It is not
hard to pull up on a daily or weekly basis, what .jpg's are referenced in a
world. I am not talking about all, I am talking about the latest ones. If
they are porn, you remove them and notify the person posting the url. You
also notify the server holding the porn in case they don't want it on their
server.

Little ole me did it, and it worked. Give it a try, you can help too.




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Jun 4, 2001, 5:03pm

Get off your high horse?? You wanted someone to address you about this
situation, and who better to do then from AWCOM's tech support??

I mean really, is it OUR fault that the community can't do anything about
your porn problem? Can we seriously do any more than tell you what you
could've done and what to do next time? The past is the past, you know what
to do now. :)

I can't believe though that there were so many options clearly available if
you just checked the Activeworlds site (where you should've immediately gone
if there was a problem you couldn't address).

AWCOM CAN'T solve all of your problems, they're not here to be your personal
caterer. Emails get lost or disregarded, there are bigger issues out there.
Kids WILL get into porn on the internet, and in AW. You should be happy that
they are relatively safe in AW from porn ads and spam. Things happen that we
can't control, kids will eventually bump into one if they're not careful. We
can't stop that, and kids should've been aware of that risk when they agreed
to use the AW program. You don't press the "I agree" button if you disagree
with it, silly, although I know most of you do.

AWCOM can't take the responsibility of thousands of users, not all at once
at least. They do their best to remove it. If it doesn't happen, it's too
bad, but it's NOT their fault. Even if they say they will remove it and
don't, it's still NOT their fault. You're blaming the wrong people here. Go
to the source and try to take action against who posted the porn. You won't
get support from a company who has to support thousands of other users, as
we here caught on to. :)

Nornny

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Jun 4, 2001, 5:03pm

*sigh* Data failures fucking up my filters. Anyone have a 20 gig Maxtor HDD for sale for say $5?

Anyway, DROP IT. Somthing was done about it, you just don't like what the fuck was done. Too fucking bad. (Begins speaking in idiot
language-All caps-In an attempt to make contact) IT WAS STILL DONE. IT'S OVER. YOUR ISSUE WAS RESOLVED. JUST BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO
THINK AWCI SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR USER'S ACTIONS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY REALLY SHOULD. YOU ARE BECOMING AS FUCKING
BAD AS JFK AND CHUCK TWISTING EVERY GODDAMN TOPIC AS YOU SEE FIT TO FULFILL A PERSONAL VENDETTA. DROP IT, BEFORE THE REST OF THE
GROUP GIVES YOU A SPANKIN.

Well, actually, I think you'd like that...
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Jun 4, 2001, 5:04pm

no it's not done. A server allowing porn can still be linked up.




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Jun 4, 2001, 5:05pm

I was commenting because they said I didn't contact them, LOL

They are too far up perhaps to see my efforts. I don't know.

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Jun 4, 2001, 5:08pm

Well, it's not like we have a whole army of porn removers. You do only have
a choice of a few people, who are busy helping the rest of Activeworlds
remove porn. It takes a while because of a lack of labor. Why don't you try
joining the GET and see how much porn, spam, and other illegal material they
delete everyday? I hope you DO understand there is a lot of porn out there
and not a lot of volenteers who want to devote their time in AW to disposing
of it rather than chatting with friends. I mean, you apparently understand
that this proccess is too slow, do something about it. :))

If you truly hate seeing porn in AW, which is pretty rare in the first place
unless you're out scouting for them, just leave. See how many safe havens
out there on the net that are porn or sex free. AW IS SAFE, especially
compared to other chat programs.

And is that "fuck" part supposed to be ironic or something? :)

Nornny

[View Quote] > How many contacts does it need to get rid of porn? Why not have people go
> in, see the porn and remove it.
>
> There is a lot of effort here to not do the job, but get around it by
> offering emails.
>
> I did email, and nothing happened until I emailed the server holding the
> porn.
>
> And for allowing the porn to stay in active worlds, I say to Active
Worlds,
> FUCK YOU!!!
>
>
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Jun 4, 2001, 5:11pm

People checked out the porn and still did nothing. Even when they did have
the time to remove it, they didn't do a damn thing.

I emailed ONLY once to the server that held the pic, and they removed it.
They then closed the account. InactiveWorlds did nothing

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Jun 4, 2001, 5:14pm

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DUH. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SCREEN JPEGS FOR CONTENT BEFORE THEY ARE DISPLAYED YOU DUMBASS.

> "Not everyone wants to hear about porn this and porn that all the time."
> Then I suggest they ignore the posts regarding that which they don't want to
> read. I am being forced to do the same with porn.

YES, BUT DO THE PEOPLE WHO POST PORN TURN EVERY BUILD INTO PORN? I DIDN'T THINK SO.

>
> "And don't forget porn is only on the internet because it makes lots of
> money. But banning it won't make it go away it will only cause it to hide
> more and become more appealing to the mushrooms that get hooked by it."

YOU CANNOT BAN ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET. WAREZ, ILLEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES. CANNOT BE HOSTED ON AMERICAN SOIL. CANNOT BE ACCESSED
ON AMERICAN SOIL. AND YET, BECAUSE OF THE SHEER VOLUME AND *GLOBAL* ASPECT OF THE INTERNET, IT IS STILL FUCKING THERE, JUST HOSTED
OUT OF COUNTRY. ENFORCING CLIENTSIDE LAWS ARE DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE AND DOES NOT TAKE PLACE UNLESS IT IS THE FBI'S PROJECT OF THE
WEEK (Child porn). *calms down* Now, in Alphaworld. There are THOUSANDS of JPG files referenced. Who the hell do you expect to surf
to every one of these JPEG files? Keep in mind, AWCI has pornographic textures on Alpha's OP. Nothin illegal about it. Nobody
complains. In fact, they have some rather nice uses. Now you, shut the HELL up. *refilters m o r o n and hopes HDD doesn't corrupt
it again*
>
> Never said they should ban it. Keep it away from the kiddies. It is not
> hard to pull up on a daily or weekly basis, what .jpg's are referenced in a
> world. I am not talking about all, I am talking about the latest ones. If
> they are porn, you remove them and notify the person posting the url. You
> also notify the server holding the porn in case they don't want it on their
> server.
>
> Little ole me did it, and it worked. Give it a try, you can help too.
>
>
>
>
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Jun 4, 2001, 5:16pm

And that is not what I said. You do an inventory every so often to insure
your area is clean. I do it with my area and it's not a hard thing to do.
You don't leave it for someone else to clean up.


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Jun 4, 2001, 5:29pm

[View Quote] I *am* Fletch Marcus, and I will publically state here that on this porn
issue, I have not received *one* email from you on it. We always look into
these matters, and remove porn if we find it - it is NOt allowed in
Alphaworld - we do everything we can to monitor it, but, I do not believe
you have a good understanding of the way that the internet works, nor the
availability of pornography on the internet, nor the sheer logistics of
being able to check *EIGHTY MILLION* individual objects that could have
*anything* attached to them, porn or otherwise. And, you have agreed to the
license when using the software, so you know the inherant risks and that we
are under no liability if you do discover such material within the software.
How often do you email microsoft and complain when you are accidentally
re-directed to a porn site when using Internet Explorer ?

Again, as I said, email the issue concerned, and they will be investigated,
I fail to understand why you are making this into such a huge "AW does care"
issue when we obviously do, nor have heard anything in private
correspondance from you in the matter (well, I have not).

Fletch aka Facter
AW Support.

Jun 4, 2001, 5:33pm

[View Quote] And again, I will say publically, that you *did not contact
support at activeworlds.com* on this porn issue, nor have I seen any
correspondance in my inbox from you on it. I answer every email that comes
in that box directed to support, and I do not recall any that dealt with
porn from you. Wanting to change someone elses backdrop in private worlds,
yes, many a time, but nothing to do with pornography.

Facter aka Fletch
AW Support


>
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Jun 4, 2001, 5:49pm

Well, you misread the backdrop issue if that is what you think I as
addressing, so why should this be any different.

This porn issue really isn't for you to deal with anyways as I see it.
Peacekeepers are the closest prominent entities to represent Active Worlds I
have seen when visiting worlds. The rest are either citizens or teachers
who I think would be a great asset in this, but it is the peacekeepers who
have a PK office area near GZ in AW world. They are the ones who could and
should be dealing with this, not you unles YOU want to show us that you
should be the one to do the removing entity. No emails, no forms, no
websites. A real live person dealing with Porn and removing it. If one
person can't do it alone, you get others to help. But you take action
instead of saying you didn't receive anything and therefore exonerate
yourself from reasonable action that should have been done before any email
was sent.

My suggestion, put a "Facter" help section there near GZ so that you can be
addressed if you want to be the one to remove porn. To post here indicating
to me that an email address is all that was needed doesn't show any action
within the Active Worlds program that you are actually removing porn now.
Displaying action outside of this Newsgroup, and in the Active Worlds
program like I mentioned here would indicate to others like myself that you
are serious about your intent behing saying an email wasn't sent because.
If we saw you doing the removing of porn, we wouldn't be emailing. We would
just come to you in there and ask you to check it out. You could then go
see it, then remove it.

I did email, and I did try. There server outside of AW listened and removed
the pictures, Active Worlds didn't.


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Jun 4, 2001, 5:54pm

"And, you have agreed to the license when using the software, so you know
the inherant risks and that we are under no liability if you do discover
such material within the software."

It is possible and if you want to work out a system that can do it, I can
propose ways. Let's talk.

If you want to stand by that quote and do nothing, you are not legally
obligated to. My opinion is you should "feel" obligated because it is the
right thing to do, and it isn't that hard.

Chances are objects dated before 1999 are not going to be changed, once they
are changed, they are dated 2001. So many of the objects if looked at would
only need to be recent, that doesn't mean all.



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