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May 22, 2001, 4:07pm

[View Quote] I dont know you "Wing" - but once again, let me say something - if we dont
listen, what am *I* doing here replying to you and your questions ? And, I
am afraid that you *are* a minority - I do the tech support around here, so
I get a huge swath of opinions...and, on the most part, people are quite
happy with this software that they use. Sorry to disappoint....but thats
honestly how it is, and if anyone can say that, I can, as all the support
mail filters through me and I see how many people are dissatisfied and what
not....we have our irate customers jsut like anyone else, but for the most
part, they mail me, I fix them up and they are very very happy. I even get
alot of emails saying how much people love AW....the only places where the
huge amount of dissidence and lack of support for AW comes from, is from in
here !

*shakes head*

You just cant win though, can you ? You guys..can believe, think, do waht
you want - I'll keep reading, keep suggesting, and keep the interests of you
to heart, whether you believe it or not - it doesnt matter to me whether you
do believe that or not, i know where my heart is.

F.

May 22, 2001, 6:12pm

[View Quote] Unfortunately around here the minority cares about the course of development and knows what technology is capable of.

>I do the tech support around here, so
> I get a huge swath of opinions...and, on the most part, people are quite
> happy with this software that they use.

Remember, for the most part PC and AW users are incredibly guallable (OE says thats spelled right) and will fall for advertising
alone. If some misinformed person says to them that AW is an incredibly advanced piece of software, they'll believe it. For
comparison, if someone says that AMD Tbirds suck and that P4 owns ass, they'll believe it. Companies draw on this guallability and
use it to entice them to purchase their equipment with flashy ads or highly advanced tech-speak that means absolutely NOTHING but
sounds impressive to the uneducated. AWCI doesn't need to do this in itself, it's more guallable users believed the little kiddies
and then theres those of us who refuse to see the advanced aspect of it all.

> honestly how it is, and if anyone can say that, I can, as all the support
> mail filters through me and I see how many people are dissatisfied and what
> not....we have our irate customers jsut like anyone else, but for the most
> part, they mail me, I fix them up and they are very very happy. I even get
> alot of emails saying how much people love AW....

>the only places where the
> huge amount of dissidence and lack of support for AW comes from, is from in
> here !

Because we are informed. For example. Cyrix (Used here because of their worthlessness and I am guaraunteed not to set off an AMD vs.
Intel riot like I did on usenet earlier this week, and yes, I do know they'll never do this) is going to release a new CPU. They'll
embark upon innane and senseless ad campaigns. For the systembuilding community, and overclockers in particular, they'll cater to
this much smaller group with more advanced features and higher quality.
>
> *shakes head*
>
> You just cant win though, can you ? You guys..can believe, think, do waht
> you want - I'll keep reading, keep suggesting, and keep the interests of you
> to heart, whether you believe it or not - it doesnt matter to me whether you
> do believe that or not, i know where my heart is.

Touching.
>
> F.
>
>

May 22, 2001, 7:06pm

Oh good, then you can make citizenship free again...

[View Quote] > have
> we
>
> God people. We're not going broke, we're not going bankrupt. Get over it
> already.

May 22, 2001, 7:10pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Gee, and why do you think that is, Facter? Let me tell you: people in here (the newsgroups) learn the TRUTH about AW and AWCI. Most people who email you for "support" probably have NO clue as to AW's history, development, employees, etc, etc, etc. YOU are the minority in AWCI of employees who "listen" to us (users/customers) and actually respond. Please, wake up and get a clue and then try to pass that clue onto your "superiors".

May 22, 2001, 7:13pm

[View Quote] > tallied votes for various things and everything. Did AWCI pay attention?
> Nope. Well, Rolu's long gone now and I've had my AW improvements page
> (http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/improve.html in case you didn't know or "forgot")
> for years now, which is based off Rolu's list and THE ListT (Roland's). Want
> a list? Open your fucking eyes...
>
> Maybe if you wernt such a pain Eep, and wernt so pushy, and obnixious,
> people here and around the community *would* actually pay more attention to
> you and your suggestions. Just a word of free advice mate.

> about these so-called rewrites? I doubt it. You, I, and just about anyone
> else who knows what's going on knows that Rick and JP DICTATE (root word of
> "dictator", by the way) to Roland what to add to AW in the next version. And
> the elite fiew with lots of money (universe server customers) dictate to
> Rick and JP what they want. You guys don't give a shit about the BULK of
> your user base who actually use AW every day and FAR more intensely than
> uniserver customers or even AWCI itself. Now then, who do you think has a
> better idea of what should be added to AW? Think about it... Not even Roland
> uses AW enough to know--and he's the god damn lead programmer! That's just
> pathetic...
>
> ..another reason no one takes you seriously is because you cant make a
> comment without bringing the "Dark side" into it, or insulting people. You
> dont work here, you dont know these people, you dont go to the meetings, and
> you have absolutly NO idea as to what goes on here except the fantasies you
> concoct in your mind, so you cant even begin to comment on anything here,
> and, its far from a dictatorship Eep - you live in fantasy land...
>
> As I said, stop being so obnoxious and maybe one day someone will pay you
> the attention you may one day actually earn....

Perhaps you missed my AW history page, Facter (you seem to miss a lot...). http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html (this time read it) and learn WHY I'm such a "pain", "pushy", and "obnoxious". Read and learn and just TRY to put yourself in my place. If AWCI didn't continually act incompetent I wouldn't have to BE such a "pain". Think about it...

> Gees, why did I even bother to reply to you.

Because it's your job?

May 22, 2001, 8:54pm

There is one thing I can't truely understand in this whole saga...if you
guys do not like AW, if you do not like the way it is implemented, if
you do not like the ppl worrking for it, if you do not agree with them,
if you think to do it far better, if you think your suggestions are
gold, if you think aw do not worth anythinig...what are you all doing
here?
icey

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May 22, 2001, 9:33pm

> God people. We're not going broke, we're not going bankrupt. Get over it
> already.
>
> F.
>
>

Hire some more people then ;)

May 22, 2001, 11:24pm

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May 23, 2001, 1:25am

Actually, Eep, as much as Facter has screwed up in the past, I'm
inclined to believe him on this one. True, COF has been royally messed
up in the past, (by "COF" I mean the original COF staff, namely Rick,
JP, and Lucrezia) but perhaps the influx of new AWCom blood in the likes
of Facter and Flagg and others have actually served to *change* things!
Maybe at one of those "meetings", someone actually said "Hey Rick... it
doesn't look like our current business attitude is working too well.
Maybe we should try this..."

On the other hand, maybe Rick or JP was standing over Facter's shoulder,
telling him what to type in response to your rant. :P The truth is, we
honestly don't know. And since Facter hasn't yet demonstrated full-blown
COF incompetence, (apart from that whole vote fiasco) I'd rather believe
what he says over past dealings.

And as Facter has stated numerous times, it's not his job to patrol the
newsgroups, only to respond to requests for support. Granted, it would
be wonderful if the newsgroups were added to his job description, but
until such time, I think we all need to come to terms with the fact that
the newsgroups (yes, even Wishlist) are merely for the sharing of ideas
and concerns between the AW community alone, and any interaction with
AWCom is kept strictly to emails. (and sometimes telegrams, if yer
lucky... :P) True, not the most ideal of options, but it's all we have.
Let's deal with it, shall we?

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Master of the back-handed compliment :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 23, 2001, 6:20am

Look we know they're dipshits but (1) Greed drives business and (2) they don't listen to guys like you because you're OFFENSIVE. That, and clueless. :)

Plus it's easier to listen to 1 or 2 people than a bunch. To listen to a bunch you really have to go out there and interact. Actually that's what I used to do once upon a time, Ron would ask how I thought people would react to something and I'd already have a pretty good idea but I'd fire up Powwow and ask Littlebull and a bunch of others... But it is unusual for a software company (or anyone really) to be actually using its own product.

[View Quote] > 450 citizens = $9000. If you're smart you won't simply brush them off, or the 1250 citizens ($25,000) who want particular features implemented. In case you haven't noticed, AW doesn't have that many citizens (currently "over 40,000") according to unproven universe stats (http://activeworlds.com/company/statistics.html). Now, granted, most people can't agree on what should be implemented first, but why does a single "user" (company, most likely) worth $25,000 dictate AW's development when MANY more $20 users are using AW MUCH more often and to a greater technical/creative degree? Where's the logic in that other than greed?
>
> If anything you (AWCI) should be listening to older and more experienced AW users--people who KNOW AW better than AWCI does for the most part, including Roland--for AW's development future. Money doesn't make one intelligent or knowledgeable enough to know what features should be implemented next.
>
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May 23, 2001, 7:59am

Thank You AW ppls for at least listening to us some of the time, and that
includes you Facter :o)....by the way, my problem that you "helped' me
with? it is 45% solved :o)) I still spin around in circles when i hit a
download intensive area.

Anyone ever checked out just how many *things* aw support "gives" to the
community? awschool, awuniv, awteen, bingo, etc etc etc etc etc

Thank You Eep for making the NGs an interesting place and for adding your
two bobs worth which ...mmm... well ....makes it interesting.

and Thanks Goober, i dont always agree with you but i wuv ya:o)

Nornny and Gamer for .....your sense of humour

and many others ....

And to Outlook express and its filter option :o))

May 23, 2001, 11:05am

[View Quote] > Look we know they're dipshits but (1) Greed drives business and (2) they don't listen to guys like you because you're OFFENSIVE. That, and clueless. :)

Uh huh...that's why MANY of my suggestions have and are already being implemented into AW, eh? You're the clueless one, Russ. You've been out of the AW loop for years now.

> Plus it's easier to listen to 1 or 2 people than a bunch. To listen to a bunch you really have to go out there and interact. Actually that's what I used to do once upon a time, Ron would ask how I thought people would react to something and I'd already have a pretty good idea but I'd fire up Powwow and ask Littlebull and a bunch of others... But it is unusual for a software company (or anyone really) to be actually using its own product.

What kind of idiot doesn't use its own product? That's like saying car companies don't drive their own cars. If you don't even use your own product you don't deserve trying to make other do so!

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May 23, 2001, 5:45pm

> Gee, and why do you think that is, Facter? Let me tell you: people in here
(the newsgroups) learn the TRUTH about AW and AWCI. Most people who email
you for "support" probably have NO clue as to AW's history, development,
employees, etc, etc, etc. YOU are the minority in AWCI of employees who
"listen" to us (users/customers) and actually respond. Please, wake up and
get a clue and then try to pass that clue onto your "superiors".

I know the truth implicitly -

a) I have been in AW as a *citizen* longer than you
b) known all people involved on ALL sides *personally* better than you
c) I work here now

So, I know the truth from all sides, I am "qualified" in ways that you are
not. Where is your qualification's for truth as to how things are here in AW
Eep ? You have none, all you have is supposition and flagrant ranting,
probably due to the fact that so many people snub you due to your being a
continuous pain to other users and employee's here. Want to know something
else? About a third of the people that email me all the time are people that
have used AW for alot longer than a year.

Stop being such a pain and so abrasive my friend, and people may listen to
you more often, I *try* to listen to you, but it is hard when every second
you are insulting and degrading myself and others here in this company. Do
you wonder why no one here replies to your telegrams very often ?

I do though, dont I Eep ?

F.

May 23, 2001, 5:50pm

.....
>
> Perhaps you missed my AW history page, Facter (you seem to miss a lot...).
http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html (this time read it) and learn WHY I'm
such a "pain", "pushy", and "obnoxious". Read and learn and just TRY to put
yourself in my place. If AWCI didn't continually act incompetent I wouldn't
have to BE such a "pain". Think about it...

Read it many times, and, your whole view is skewed.

>
>
> Because it's your job?

No, it is not my job to reply to you in anything other than email Eep - I do
this out of simple courtesy to you, and the other users.

Please keep that in mind mate.

F.

May 23, 2001, 5:55pm

[View Quote] Thanks - your still having problems ? =/

> Anyone ever checked out just how many *things* aw support "gives" to the
> community? awschool, awuniv, awteen, bingo, etc etc etc etc etc

Or how about the features that were given to the users that they asked for
over the past years ?

3D acceleration, telegrams, lighting, SDK, improved worlds list, contacts
list, moving objects, fog....amongst many, many other things.

You guys are always on about the features that we *havnt8 implemented, but
what about all the ones that *have* been ?? Why is it that nobody ever
comments on how cool it has been to get all those new features, that people
asked for all this time - you too Eep, mainly 3D acceleration (including
OpenGL!) and lighting...

Its easy to always critises - it takes a good perspective to *praise* for
what HAS been done so far, and what will continue to be.

F.

May 23, 2001, 7:41pm

[View Quote] > http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html (this time read it) and learn WHY I'm
> such a "pain", "pushy", and "obnoxious". Read and learn and just TRY to put
> yourself in my place. If AWCI didn't continually act incompetent I wouldn't
> have to BE such a "pain". Think about it...
>
> Read it many times, and, your whole view is skewed.

And how is that? This oughta be good for a laugh...

>
> No, it is not my job to reply to you in anything other than email Eep - I do
> this out of simple courtesy to you, and the other users.
>
> Please keep that in mind mate.

Oh I do, "mate". I keep in mind that you know how to actually DEAL with "customers" and not brush them off like your inept employers do. Perhaps you could teach them a thing or two about social interaction, hmm?

May 23, 2001, 7:47pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] I HAVE appreciated SOME features, Facter. The engine and sound system upg=
rades were LONG (years) overdue but there were and are still many many MA=
NY other features that should have been implemented even before that and =
many many MANY other features that have been implemented instead. But, ag=
ain, this is "priority" dictated by a measly "elite" few with the money t=
o push AW's development how THEY want and not how most of the COMMUNITY w=
ants. Did you forget all the whooplah over the green checkmark when it fi=
rst was mentioned as being implemented into AW years ago? You seem to hav=
e forgotten how MOST (if not all) everyone wanted a way to stay hidden. W=
as it ever implemented? Uh nope. Instead we got file transfer which I STI=
LL don't recall ANYONE in these newsgroups (or anywhere actually) asking =
for. Later it turns out some uniserver customer wanted that too, which Ri=
cky and JPpee were only all too eager to turn around, bend over, and spre=
ad their legs for.

> Its easy to always critises - it takes a good perspective to *praise* f=
or
> what HAS been done so far, and what will continue to be.

It takes an even better perspective to remember the history of something =
and learn not to make mistakes again. Perhaps you can show Rick and JP th=
eir history and just how inept they've been over the years, which started=
long before I came to AW...

May 23, 2001, 7:53pm

[View Quote] > (the newsgroups) learn the TRUTH about AW and AWCI. Most people who email
> you for "support" probably have NO clue as to AW's history, development,
> employees, etc, etc, etc. YOU are the minority in AWCI of employees who
> "listen" to us (users/customers) and actually respond. Please, wake up and
> get a clue and then try to pass that clue onto your "superiors".
>
> I know the truth implicitly -
>
> a) I have been in AW as a *citizen* longer than you
> b) known all people involved on ALL sides *personally* better than you
> c) I work here now
>
> So, I know the truth from all sides, I am "qualified" in ways that you are
> not. Where is your qualification's for truth as to how things are here in AW
> Eep ? You have none, all you have is supposition and flagrant ranting,
> probably due to the fact that so many people snub you due to your being a
> continuous pain to other users and employee's here. Want to know something
> else? About a third of the people that email me all the time are people that
> have used AW for alot longer than a year.

<chuckle> It's funny how people who claim to have come to AW longer than I, then leave for a while (like over a year or so) and come back can use that as an excuse that they know what's going on or what's changed, etc. You and Russ should form a little group called the "Returned Citizens Alliance" or something just so you don't feel left out. However, I'll give YOU a little slack since you now actually work for AWCI whereas Russ doesn't and he's hardly even in AW anyway despite his "return". I, on the other hand, have stayed fairly current with AWCI's practices (even when I was "boycotting" AW) and so have more knowledge on things than most citizens and to some degree even you.

> Stop being such a pain and so abrasive my friend, and people may listen to
> you more often, I *try* to listen to you, but it is hard when every second
> you are insulting and degrading myself and others here in this company.

Again, you seem to not be making the connection between my AW history and my reaction towards AWCI policy. I don't know how many times I have to shove that URL into your face but it's all right there in black and grey. When are you actually going to read it more closely?

> Do you wonder why no one here replies to your telegrams very often ?
>
> I do though, dont I Eep ?

Yup, and so do other AWCIers (Flagg and Josh C come to mind).

May 23, 2001, 8:16pm

this has got to be the funniest comment I have ever read in this
newsgroup...

its way way beyond the pot calling the kettle black:))))

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>. Perhaps you could teach them a thing or two about social interaction,
hmm?
>

Moria

May 23, 2001, 11:05pm

Well this is all I have to say on the subject. I started AW in Sept. 2000
and at the time the only thing AW offered was software browser 2.2 which for
me was yuck coming from a place called Cybertown where they use hardware as
well as software that were offered to the users to view the wrl files that
are very much like rwx files, I do wish AW would develop something like a
gzip program like they did to highly compress wrl files with rwx files that
seems to highly compress the wrl files with gzip, I find regular zips don't
do enough to compress them, but that's another issue really but worth
mentioning. But since then I can now use hardware and move better and view
everything better in AW, I can now use light and move rotate commands, we
can have more worlds on the list and also allows more worlds to be on in AW.
There has been so much done in very little time really, 8 mos., in 8 mos. AW
has done alot to improve their browser and the things they offer to their
customers and in another 4 or 5 months maybe we will have 3.2 which will
offer a platformn to even more users and enhancements for me as a world
owner am very interested in seeing once they are added to the program. I
think steadily and surely all the requsts will be met, but it's not going to
happen all at once and it's not going to happen over night. It needs a great
programmer like Roland and others that may help him to achieve these goals,
and that's what they are, goals to achieve and programs to be written to
support them. All this takes time and money and some might even requre the
help of other companies that have a vested intrest in the browser expanding
to suit more needs which means AW is not alone in the whys and whens the
developments will take place as they work with these companies that have
developed the technologies in the programs they have also developed and
incorporate them into the program as well. All this takes time, get a grip
on reality people, we've come a long way baby and the future holds alot of
closed doors that still need to be unlocked but eventually the key to those
doors locks will be unlocked and opened too. :)

May 24, 2001, 10:33am

[View Quote] It doesn't allow more worlds to run, the world list fix just let the browser show all of the running worlds.


-Agent1

May 24, 2001, 12:37pm

>
> <chuckle> It's funny how people who claim to have come to AW longer than
I, then leave for a while (like over a year or so) and come back can use
that as an excuse that they know what's going on or what's changed, etc. You
and Russ should form a little group called the "Returned Citizens Alliance"
or something just so you don't feel left out. However, I'll give YOU a
little slack since you now actually work for AWCI whereas Russ doesn't and
he's hardly even in AW anyway despite his "return". I, on the other hand,
have stayed fairly current with AWCI's practices (even when I was
"boycotting" AW) and so have more knowledge on things than most citizens and
to some degree even you.

I've never left AW at anytime since 1996 ? I dont know what you are talking
about ? In the time I have been in AW, there has not been more than two or
three days between login's tot his software at any time - I may not of been
in as Facter all the time, but rest assured I have always been here and
current with everything going on here since I very first arrived.

Again, you seem to not be making the connection between my AW history and
my reaction towards AWCI policy. I don't know how many times I have to shove
that URL into your face but it's all right there in black and grey. When are
you actually going to read it more closely?
>
>
> Yup, and so do other AWCIers (Flagg and Josh C come to mind).

Exactly - so things *have* improved havnt they Eep ? Even if not as much as
you would of liked them to of ?

Its still a step in the right direction.

F.

May 24, 2001, 12:43pm

I HAVE appreciated SOME features, Facter. The engine and sound system
upgrades were LONG (years) overdue but there were and are still many many
MANY other features that should have been implemented even before that and
many many MANY other features that have been implemented instead. But,
again, this is "priority" dictated by a measly "elite" few with the money to
push AW's development how THEY want and not how most of the COMMUNITY wants.
Did you forget all the whooplah over the green checkmark when it first was
mentioned as being implemented into AW years ago? You seem to have forgotten
how MOST (if not all) everyone wanted a way to stay hidden. Was it ever
implemented? Uh nope. Instead we got file transfer which I STILL don't
recall ANYONE in these newsgroups (or anywhere actually) asking for. Later
it turns out some uniserver customer wanted that too, which Ricky and JPpee
were only all too eager to turn around, bend over, and spread their legs
for.

Its business Eep ! Perhaps those people actually *paid* for that feature,
and as a byproduct, it ended up in the main browser - (I dont know, I dont
go into that kind of thing , and frankly business practices here are none of
my business - please remember I'm jsut a tech boy) Are you complaining
because a feature that was paid for by someone else to implement, ultimatly
ended up in the hands of the user ? I dont understand that logic Eep, I'm
sorry.

Oh, and on the record? I hate the green check, and being someone who stays
invisable on ICQ all of the time, I always have.

It takes an even better perspective to remember the history of something and
learn not to make mistakes again. Perhaps you can show Rick and JP their
history and just how inept they've been over the years, which started long
before I came to AW...

And it ALSO takes good perspective to see how things have changed in the
past year, agree ?

We're trying...

F.

May 24, 2001, 1:27pm

Just as well, lol

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May 24, 2001, 5:25pm

Uh? And can we maybe realize that I have 920 worlds on my list, well above the old limit. It was fixed in an update to 3.1 a LONG
time ago.
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May 24, 2001, 11:08pm

[View Quote] > I, then leave for a while (like over a year or so) and come back can use
> that as an excuse that they know what's going on or what's changed, etc. You
> and Russ should form a little group called the "Returned Citizens Alliance"
> or something just so you don't feel left out. However, I'll give YOU a
> little slack since you now actually work for AWCI whereas Russ doesn't and
> he's hardly even in AW anyway despite his "return". I, on the other hand,
> have stayed fairly current with AWCI's practices (even when I was
> "boycotting" AW) and so have more knowledge on things than most citizens and
> to some degree even you.
> I've never left AW at anytime since 1996 ? I dont know what you are talking
> about ? In the time I have been in AW, there has not been more than two or
> three days between login's tot his software at any time - I may not of been
> in as Facter all the time, but rest assured I have always been here and
> current with everything going on here since I very first arrived.

Oh, well then I apologize. I could've sworn you left for a while.

>
> Exactly - so things *have* improved havnt they Eep ? Even if not as much as
> you would of liked them to of ?
>
> Its still a step in the right direction.

Sure, every little bit helps, but how about trying to get the "higher-ups" doing it too?

May 24, 2001, 11:12pm

First of all, you gotta differentiate between quoted and reply text, Fac. I've added the >'s here:

[View Quote] > upgrades were LONG (years) overdue but there were and are still many many
> MANY other features that should have been implemented even before that and
> many many MANY other features that have been implemented instead. But,
> again, this is "priority" dictated by a measly "elite" few with the money to
> push AW's development how THEY want and not how most of the COMMUNITY wants.
> Did you forget all the whooplah over the green checkmark when it first was
> mentioned as being implemented into AW years ago? You seem to have forgotten
> how MOST (if not all) everyone wanted a way to stay hidden. Was it ever
> implemented? Uh nope. Instead we got file transfer which I STILL don't
> recall ANYONE in these newsgroups (or anywhere actually) asking for. Later
> it turns out some uniserver customer wanted that too, which Ricky and JPpee
> were only all too eager to turn around, bend over, and spread their legs
> for.
> Its business Eep ! Perhaps those people actually *paid* for that feature,
> and as a byproduct, it ended up in the main browser - (I dont know, I dont
> go into that kind of thing , and frankly business practices here are none of
> my business - please remember I'm jsut a tech boy) Are you complaining
> because a feature that was paid for by someone else to implement, ultimatly
> ended up in the hands of the user ? I dont understand that logic Eep, I'm
> sorry.

No, I'm complaining that a feature one customer (tho not when the feature was requested, mind you) wanted was not what the majority of MUCH longer-term customers/users have wanted for YEARS.

> Oh, and on the record? I hate the green check, and being someone who stays
> invisable on ICQ all of the time, I always have.
>
> learn not to make mistakes again. Perhaps you can show Rick and JP their
> history and just how inept they've been over the years, which started long
> before I came to AW...
> And it ALSO takes good perspective to see how things have changed in the
> past year, agree ?

Yes but not as good a perspective as seeing how things are not to the same level they were years ago.

> We're trying...

How are Rick and JP trying?

May 25, 2001, 5:26am

[View Quote] [View Quote] eep wrote facter wrote eep wrote sheesh you guys make it hard to
keep track of a decent "discussion". I mean, YOU know what you wrote
three postings ago and what the other fellow wrote four postings ago but
I for one find it hard to follow....

How about you make it obvious who wrote what, when...... coz if your gunna
post it, then its not a private discussion....is it?

*cringes*

May 25, 2001, 8:08am

I know how to differentiate between quoted and reply text. Facter wasn't in a couple replies but I told him about it. Oh and we're not HAVING a private discussion or we'd be in email. Duh. Can't follow the thread? Stop reading it; that simple...

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May 25, 2001, 11:47am

Yeah, sorry , my newsreader was being funky for some reason - no idea why it
wasnt properly posting quotes.,..

back to that, Eep, I cant speak for Rick and JP - but things *are* discussed
in our weekly meetings, including all of the concerns that are read about
her ein the newsgroups, and things *are* done about some of them, even if
they are not immediatly apparent, nor are apparent yet...

...but alot of concerns that are read about, here, are discussed in meetings.

F.

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