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Mar 21, 2001, 8:18pm

It looks like someone complained and had my forum shut down at:
http://members.boardhost.com/Xavarella

A link to the new forum location will be posted here and linked to my main
page, http://members.aol.com/xavworld if, and when, I decide to start a new
forum. There was absolutely no inappropriate content that I know of on the
forum page, as of last night. It's a mystery to me why it was shut down.

Mar 21, 2001, 9:10pm

What a shame, terrible they didn't tell you why. Looking forward to a new
site. *Maybe ask someone for a regular newsgroup site that would allow the
open content that's always been on yours?* Andras? anyone?
Casay
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Mar 21, 2001, 9:41pm

The only thing I could find in their TOS that MIGHT have had anything remotely to do with what was going on is as follows:
III. Content Restrictions: Content that is not
allowed on your board.

1. Offensive Material
a. Racism
b. Hatred
c. Harassment

Maybe this whole CitBingo thing... anyway, don't know. Hope you can get a new forum set up soon!

-Agent1




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Mar 22, 2001, 3:02am

*breaking vow of silence to post here under the circumstances*

Sorry to hear this. Makes ya mad doesn't it? GRRRR. Most likely a
member of some group of people that are always claiming to be picked on
wherever their name is mentioned. (We all know who I am talking about
right?)

My own experience (with Yahoo clubs) is that only a couple of people have to
get e-mail through to the right person to have these things shut down.
Companies who provide these free services really don't want any waves to be
made. I assure you they do not investigate such complaints, they just weigh
them. The "terms of service" thingies always have a clause that says
something like: " We reserve the right to terminate your service at ay time
without notice or explanation to you". Or as eep is so fond of saying:
"Drive Through".

We can be thankful that AW is back to being an *almost* open forum, but
events from a few months ago demonstrate that all it takes is a small
personality clash for that to change.

I just checked and can't get anything on the old City4all server. I guess
they shut down due to lack of interest. There is the possibility that
someone else could open up a news server or group for community issues, but
I'll warn ya... unless they are running it on their own server and not on a
"leased" server, there is also the possibility that they could lose their
service due to complaints of one sort or another.

My own interest in the future of the nascent "AW Community" is down on the
scale to the place marked "rats-ass", but I *do* still read here and there
and hope that *someday* it will be like it used to be.

Anyway... I think I suggested this once upon a time and the idea didn't
catch on too well... I persist:

Out in the generally circulated newsgroups are two groups alt.3d and
alt.3d.misc both of which are pretty lightly traveled because anyone who has
a lot to say about Truespace for example would post in alt.3d.truespace.

Perfection would be achieved if there was an alt.3d.activeworlds, but for
that to happen there has to be traffic, and for there to be traffic, we have
to stop venting in freebee forums, message boards and the like. Existence
of such publicly circulated and not centrally controlled newsgroups (think
Gnutella) is what spurs many companies to form their own local newsgroups in
the first place. Read the Microsoft newsgroup on Outlook Express, and
compare it with a public version of same. The tone can be quite different
at times. Microsoft would rather let people post to *their* server even if
they have nothing but complaints. They always have the option of deleting
that occasional really damaging post that way.

I ramble.

Suffice it to say I *love* the public newsgroups (think Gnutella) and still
think they are a viable outlet for *all* AW users (even tourists).

I posted a message in each of the above cited groups using one news server I
use, and 2 minutes later read them using another. The system works good.
Think about it.

*retreats to cave*

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Mar 22, 2001, 5:03am

[View Quote] > My own experience (with Yahoo clubs) is that only a couple of people have to
> get e-mail through to the right person to have these things shut down.
> Companies who provide these free services really don't want any waves to be
> made. I assure you they do not investigate such complaints, they just weigh
> them. The "terms of service" thingies always have a clause that says
> something like: " We reserve the right to terminate your service at ay time
> without notice or explanation to you". Or as eep is so fond of saying:
> "Drive Through".

Incorrect context; I only MIGHT say that when someone acts like a twit, incompetent, inept, or any variation thereof.

> We can be thankful that AW is back to being an *almost* open forum, but
> events from a few months ago demonstrate that all it takes is a small
> personality clash for that to change.
>
> I just checked and can't get anything on the old City4all server. I guess
> they shut down due to lack of interest. There is the possibility that
> someone else could open up a news server or group for community issues, but
> I'll warn ya... unless they are running it on their own server and not on a
> "leased" server, there is also the possibility that they could lose their
> service due to complaints of one sort or another.
>
> My own interest in the future of the nascent "AW Community" is down on the
> scale to the place marked "rats-ass", but I *do* still read here and there
> and hope that *someday* it will be like it used to be.
>
> Anyway... I think I suggested this once upon a time and the idea didn't
> catch on too well... I persist:
>
> Out in the generally circulated newsgroups are two groups alt.3d and
> alt.3d.misc both of which are pretty lightly traveled because anyone who has
> a lot to say about Truespace for example would post in alt.3d.truespace.
>
> Perfection would be achieved if there was an alt.3d.activeworlds, but for
> that to happen there has to be traffic, and for there to be traffic, we have
> to stop venting in freebee forums, message boards and the like. Existence
> of such publicly circulated and not centrally controlled newsgroups (think
> Gnutella) is what spurs many companies to form their own local newsgroups in
> the first place. Read the Microsoft newsgroup on Outlook Express, and
> compare it with a public version of same. The tone can be quite different
> at times. Microsoft would rather let people post to *their* server even if
> they have nothing but complaints. They always have the option of deleting
> that occasional really damaging post that way.
>
> Suffice it to say I *love* the public newsgroups (think Gnutella) and still
> think they are a viable outlet for *all* AW users (even tourists).
>
> I posted a message in each of the above cited groups using one news server I
> use, and 2 minutes later read them using another. The system works good.
> Think about it.

The problem with Usenet newsgroups is that their posts aren't archived like a private news server's posts are. (I doubt Deja will archive AW's posts, for example.) While it's unfortunate AWCI is so clueless as to mindlessly delete YEARS of posts when creating/changing newsgroups (like Roland did with "beta" when AW 3.1 went to closed beta testing; and what Rick/JP/Lucrustia/whoever did with the "AWCommunity" newsgroup when it was changed--and moderated--to just "community"), I would rather have a private news server (like Andras', providing he doesn't get mad when he's equated to Hitler for his almost-oppressivelike move the other day against me).

Mar 22, 2001, 5:19am

[View Quote] My newsgroup server is available for everyone (tourists, citizens or just ordinary people:)
news://andras.net

Andras

> Casay
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