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Feb 14, 2001, 5:19pm

I have a question to ask everyone but I want you to really think about this
question for a sec. ok? and NO getting rude because it's ONLY a question.
*glares at myrth* lol

if you did a build in a Private world that you spent MANY hours on and
worked very hard on for someone as a gift (for example....Bday build or baby
build) and you even stayed up ALL night to make sure it was done and perfect
for the individual. If the world owner decides they want to delete your
build as well as builds done by a couple other people, wouldn't you want to
be notified ASAP so you can make arrangements to either

A.) Move the build (provided they are the same objects),
B.) Take screen shots or
C.) Both.

Now for you world owners, pretend you do NOT own a world but you are
building IN a private world ok? Wouldn't you want to be notified in SOME way
that your build that you worked so hard on for so many hours is going to be
demolished? If you worked hard on a build and spent many hours on it to make
it perfect for someone and you went back at a later date to find the build
demolished, would you NOT be angry, hurt and upset?

I think (yes here I go again thinking. lol) I think that if a world owner is
going to demolish someones build they should atleast be given the courtesy
of a few days notification. I feel that should be an AW law. A few of us
have recently become victimized in this manner and without warning and I
think it stinks. No my post here has NOTHING to do with Chucks Party's post
at all. That is old news. I'm here with the new news.

I realize that world owners have the right to do as they please in their
worlds and that they have the right to delete anything they want to even if
it belongs to someone else, but I feel that it's only courtesey that the
builder is given notice and ample time (3 days to a week) to do what they
need to do (delete it themselves, take screen shots or move it) I honestly
don't think that this is asking too much from world owners. I myself am a
world owner and co ower of another world and I have to tell ya, I would
NEVER even THINK of pulling a stunt like this! NEVER!! I would atleast give
notification first.

Feb 14, 2001, 5:36pm

Dear Myssie,

Having been a world owner with dear friends who had built in worlds in
which we lost, I fully understand the hurt it can cause. I don't like to use
the word "victimized" as it's a pretty strong negative word, and seems is
used pretty often now a days, and maybe the boy who cried wolf tale enters
my mind each time anymore;)
Let's see...so far A'A has had a flood...(Alpha just had to try out the
new bmwater.rwx...LOL)...an earthquake...(That one was me and my
misunderstanding of prop dump and load)....there were a few others...I can't
remember as they were definate TRADGEDIES....right A'A clan?:)
Anyway....did I get a "bit" off topic there?
Oh....yes....so...in regards to your question....
My approach on this would be to first speak to the builders and let them
know that things were going to be changing. However...circumstances come
into play sometimes. For instance....(rhetorical questions here)...Do I have
a builder that is unapproachable? Do I have a builder that would talk about
me negatively if I let them know and they said I couldn't do it because it
would DEVISTATE them? (spelling)
Because of the past world stability problems, I now have folks create in
A'A that fully understand that she's an everchanging world, and one's that
see (visions) of greater builds with each fantastic version AWCom, Inc.
creates and releases:)

Feb 14, 2001, 6:43pm

:P

I have had this happen to me several times, maybe thats why I'm so bitter :P
I woudl appreciate if they notified me they were going to delete it, it
would be even better if they told me in advance it wasn't a permanent
structure. I've learned to not participate in other people's projects
unless I know them really well, otherwise it just ends up in hurt. I built
an entire town for someone in a world once and 3 days later it was gone..
arg...

-Myrth


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Feb 14, 2001, 7:29pm

Yes I agree it would be nice. (not intended to be rude but...) Thus AWCOM
invented the telegram (on AW). Now it just falls to the world owner.

Feb 14, 2001, 8:32pm

I'm a world owner (Storage) where we have public building rights to everyone since 1996. I just HATE to touch (delete) others work. We even have the tourist protection program too :) On the other hand - if a bad crash occurs I could lose a few days of work. I just can not go around and notify our 200+ builders about! If we find abandoned lots with just covering we try to contact the builder first (with pretty good success) before doing anything with it. We even try to get those who build on excluded parts of Storage and offering them to move their buildings to a free location. This is a chore we have to deal with as world owners.
There are different approaches but usually those worlds tell you up front that your build could be demolished. I am not familiar with those since I rarely build.

World owners are different - like all the ppl. Sometimes they can't even give any notification (like if they just let the world expire) or it is a trial world. We have to live with the differences.

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Andras


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Feb 14, 2001, 9:00pm

it would suck... but the world owners can do what they want. But if you are
a nice world owner, you wouldn't do something like this.

rolu

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Feb 14, 2001, 9:18pm

I agree 100% it would be a nice courtesy if world owners notified before
deleting. I'm sure some do, others don't and that's goes along with how
different ppl are in AW. Although is costs more to own a world this is one
reason why many have decided to get one. When you build in a private world
you're expecting someone to continue paying every year to keep it going.
There's no assurance that someone will re-new one though.

I've built some great places in worlds that no longer exist. Xavworld comes
to mind. It's no longer around. My chidren and I spent almost a week
straight making a home there. I didn't ever expect her not to change the
world though as I knew she might at any time. She had before, her right to
do so though since she was the one paying for the license, hosting etc. I
did take screen shots of it. At least my kids and I do have a great memory
of creating our dream house.

I've always appreciated worlds like Storage and Nova and those world owners
have taken a lot of time to open them up to building. Places like Friends!
have done the same although you have to ask.

If you want something forever though you can't rely on someone else to not
get bored with their world and/or have an earthquake or something happen.
( Like Bit did). I know from your other posts that money is tight for you
but getting your own world might be something to save up for. Hosting a
small world on your PC works well so you won't have the hosting costs at
least. Then you'll have your creations forever and can even make your own
objects at that point too. :-) *that's when it really gets fun*

Just my .02
Casay

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Feb 15, 2001, 1:12am

Thank you all for your input it's much appreciated and I figured most would
feel the same way I and many other's do. Without giving the identity of the
world, world owner etc. here is MY situation (similar to Chuck's Party)

I spent many hours one night doing a special build for someone with 2 other
builders several months ago. Lastnight I was talking to an individual about
this build I did (no names mentioned)and this individual was anxious to see
it because they saw another build of mine that they thought was awesome.
Well I took them to this world to see this build of mine (that I was proud
of and worked so hard on) and the only thing left was about 3 or 4 pieces of
ground, and a couple other objects. THAT was it. The other 2 people who
participated in this build also had their builds deleted.I was horrified to
see it gone and very hurt. The world owner and I do speak and I am friends
with the owners sibling and I don't understand why this deleting spree
occurred. Many of you on here know me and know I'm NOT a hard person to talk
to.
As far as the world crashing or whatever, the world didn't crash. I looked
around the world for a while to see if maybe it had and everyone elses
builds were STILL there. And before anyone asks, NO the world wasn't still
in my cache. I hadn't been to this world for a couple months and I dump my
cache once a week and I haven't been there so there's no way the world was
already in my cache.

As far as the amount of builders being notified (as mentioned in one of your
posts) I can understand if there are 200+ builders, but this world only had
a couple builders. If the world was 200+ then all the builders still can be
notified without grams being sent. All you have to do is put the warning on
your world options thingy and have the Immigration Officer tell the builders
for you. Have the builders gram you or put a sign on their build where it
can be seen. You can also put signs at GZ to alert them and word would get
around fast. You KNOW how fast things get spread in AW. lol

But Anyways, the whole point of this is that I feel World owners SHOULD give
warning before deleting your hard worked on builds. It CAN be done, and I'd
like to see AW make it an AW Law that world owners HAVE to notify their
builders. It would only be right.

Feb 15, 2001, 1:40am

this is why I do most of my builds that will be intriquette or take a lot of
time in a AWLD world.. cuz then i can make sure it won't be removed...

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Feb 15, 2001, 1:41am

it works fine for me.. sometimes it'll freeze for a brief period but if i
wait it out it seems to unfreeze..

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Feb 15, 2001, 4:37am

ignore this.. got posted to the wrong thread..


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Feb 19, 2001, 2:32pm

Okay, here goes nothing.

First, allow me to apologise if I replied to this wrong (this is for the
readers of this thread) Its the first time I have ever posted to such a
"group". I chose reply to group, rather than sender, as I am hoping all
will get to see this and not just Myssie.

NOW...Myssie, how dare you! Or, have you forgotten the gram you sent me
stating "we can no longer be friends?" I replied...OKAY. You attack my
brother even though you did not name him and call me friend at the same
time?????? Talk about nerve! We are NOT friends, and just for anyones own
information THIS is what happened. Allow me to introduce myself.

I am Truth...the "sibling" in the above thread.

One year ago, a baby site was created by Myssie and two others in my
brothers world. It was a gift, to me, and my son and his wife,
congradulating (spelling?) us on the birth of my granddaughter madison.
*smiles* a wonderful effort indeed, and my son and his wife and yes, even
myself, were all very pleased with it. What a way to celebrate such a
joyous occasion? *smiles*

Well, this babysite, a year later...well, not quite a year, she will be a
year old on March 30th....My brother deleted the site. You see, there were
urls, that no longer worked...all you saw on some things was fuzzy snow.
What myssie neglects so conveniently to mention is that NO ONE had been to
the site, or updated it in MONTHS. What she also neglects to mention is
that the durn site was deleted nearly THREE months ago. What she also
neglects to mention, is that she herself has not built anything in my
brothers world for OVER a year, except the baby site, and that the two other
people who helped build the site...ONE, hasnt' been in that world, or even
activeworlds itself in nearly a year, BUT her house still stands in the
world on the lower level, right where she left it and the OTHER person who
helped build the babysite deleted her own property on her own, of her own
volition. (proper word?) Also, this person who deleted her own property
does not mind that the babysite was deleted.

I know this, becuase I spoke to her myself..we have been, and still are
good friends.

I as the world owners "sibling" had no prior knowledge of the babysite being
deleted...nor did I mind when I found out. I knew, that no one had bothered
to visit it anymore in nearly a year and I knew that some of the urls in the
site did not work anymore. I also knew, was my brothers world and his own
choice to make.

Myssie, how bout we get an activeworlds law made....BUILDERS OF A WORLD
should at least VISIT and build in that world more often than once a
year??????? As for your having contact with my brother and actually
speaking with him...lets not lie about that either. YOU HAVEN"T SPOKEN TO
HIM SINCE THE SITE WAS CREATED UNTIL YOU FOUND OUT THREE MONTHS LATER AFTER
THE FACT THAT IT WAS DELETED.

How dare you come in with half truths?? How dare you grumble about
something you have not given one whit about since its creation? I think,
you are more mad that you could not brag on what you did...

Allow me to state this one last thing.....I am tired, of your tantrums, and
I am glad, that when you found out the site was deleted, you chose to not be
my friend, becuase my brother told you in a gram he is tired of you and your
ranting and raving over bull___. I told you when you grammed me fussing
about the site being gone, to take it up with the world owner. I have no
control over what goes on in there, nor would I wish to have any...it is not
my world.

Your childish attitude creates problems for your own self. Is there no one
you meet, that you do not eventually have a problem with? It must be so
very nice, to be so perfect that you can constantly find fault in others for
silly little things...*sigh*

Do not attack, grumble or what ever, in reference to myself or my brother
again, unless you are willing to state the WHOLE story.

Should a world owner let the builder know? Yes, of course...UNLESS that
builder hasn't bothered to build or visit or gram in nearly a year. You
didnt' even go back to build more did you? NOPE. You went back to show off
what you had done. Tell me Myssie, was that site for yourself? or for the
kids to celebrate the baby being born?? Grow up, and while your at
it..leave us, alone.

Truth.
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