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Dec 13, 2000, 9:23pm

A few gor people come in to AWBingo3. They were discriminated by a few
people harshly. All the Gor culture did was greet other Gor members using,
Tal, Master, Slave, ect. I am not Gor but I think its wrong to discriminate
them as a whole for doing just that. I will include a script of my time
being in the world :)


[BingoBot]: Ball number 3 is B-4
Geena: nope.. gonna mute you
HoneyDukes: LOOK I DIDN"T COME HERE TO HEAR THAT RUBBISH, SO IF YOU WANT TO
TALK GOR GO TO GOR AND DO IT THERE!
[BingoBot]: Ball number 4 is N-37
SweetSuzie: oh hell someone started an argument over gor people saying
greetings master etc
Myssie: Cool! Geena muted me for having free speech! Yipeeeeeeee
Bella: hey Myssie come out of hiding so i can mute you
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: whATS WITH THE CAPS
Dranak: woman, if you don't want to hear it, LEAVE
S.t.u.d: eject: someone
[BingoBot]: Ball number 5 is B-8
Myssie: Go for it Bella
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: lol i did it
DarKur Wolfe: LonesomeDove respect is a two way street we want to play Bingo
you want to play bingo we want to talk among our friend about what we want
you want to talk to your friends about what you want let agree to leave it
that way
SweetSuzie: called
Young Phalpha: (to SweetSuzie) ok... and their blaming you for starting it
when you didn't?
micheIe: thinks ignore works great
DarKur Wolfe: called
S.t.u.d: called
Dranak: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 6 is G-50
Myssie: I'll just keep coming back! lol
Geena: haven't muted you yet Myssie but your comments are not free speech
but is to incite a riot
myna Wolfe r: called
Lonesome D0ve: I dont have to leave... no matter what world I go to there is
some gorean Freak there
pheenix TG: freak?
[BingoBot]: Ball number 7 is N-45
SweetSuzie: I never said a word LOL and was told to shutup and that I was
offensive
SweetSuzie: LOLOL
ElinoR: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: ooooooo
Dranak: awwww *pats shoulder for the little girl*
myna Wolfe r: yes pheenix we have wied hair doos lol
SweetSuzie: and that no woman knows the meaning of respect
[BingoBot]: Ball number 8 is O-71
Red Hot: brb Ppl have fun this game .
micheIe: well if it wasn't for the goreans, active world may of died by
now..
Etheus: Hello :)
micheIe: =)
DarKur Wolfe: called
SweetSuzie: and that all women should shut up
Bella: hi Etheues
Myssie: Ya know Geena! You totally misunderstand me! *sigh* I'm NOT a
predjudice person but .......oh forget it
[BingoBot]: Ball number 9 is G-53
Lonesome D0ve: I doubt that michele
pheenix TG: ~bites her tongue really hard~
micheIe: you can tell me pheenix
micheIe: grin
HoneyDukes: if you want to go to gorean world go there and leave us normal
people to play bingo
[BingoBot]: Ball number 10 is O-63
Bella: ouch must hurt
micheIe: will deliver it
Dranak: don't doubt it, there are more Gor worlds than any other kind....
Lonesome D0ve: oh your master say you can do that pheenix?
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: can u people drop the subject and talk about something
else
DarKur Wolfe: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
myna Wolfe r: look at this didn't we drop it long ago?
Son of Sass: I bit into a Reese's stick a minute ago pheenix :o)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 11 is I-19
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: can u people drop the subject and talk about something
else
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: can u people drop the subject and talk about something
else
Geena: Lonesome? are you also ANGEL 01?
[BingoBot]: Ball number 12 is I-29
myna Wolfe r: called
maldoror: i agree halacy
Lonesome D0ve: no I am this name and this name only
Dranak: called
S.t.u.d: called
Young Phalpha: Can't we just drop this arguement? Start a new subject? If
there will be hate towards Gor people for just that reason then we have a
serious problem :(
Bella: yes nice weather been rainly here
[BingoBot]: Ball number 13 is G-54
Lonesome D0ve: I dont change my name at all
Neo SailorSaturn: score
Myssie: H.a.l.a.c.ySport: can u people drop the subject and talk about
something else...Yeah when the gor talk in here ceases!
DarKur Wolfe: we are all Normal we all have desires some of us are just
afraid to explore those desires that does not make us sick evil or
disgusting we are just far more open minded
Geena: then my apologies to ANGEL because that is not her style :o)
S.t.u.d: how is the weather
[BingoBot]: Ball number 14 is N-42
S.t.u.d: it is raining here
HoneyDukes: LOL stud
Bella: i here that bush might get in the white house
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: myssie u dont have to copy it doh u can just answer me not
mimic me
HoneyDukes: raining here too
maldoror: gorean lifers ? normal...?
[BingoBot]: Ball number 15 is O-64
DarKur Wolfe: its snowing here Stud
myna Wolfe r: Al gore is withdrawing
Lonesome D0ve: well it must show aw that they need to do something about it
then huh Young Phalpha
DarKur Wolfe: pretty darn cold too
micheIe: called
S.t.u.d: who has snow
S.t.u.d: lets see hands
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: i am going to have snow
Bella: yes that what i have heard as well
[BingoBot]: Ball number 16 is B-14
myna Wolfe r: called
Jynx: *raises hand*
SweetSuzie: not me Stud
Roo: <-----wishes for snow
SweetSuzie: too damn hot for snow
The Black Tarn: llll/ < has snow
Chanty: 3 feets of snow on the ground here
DarKur Wolfe: *raises a hand*
SweetSuzie: called
Myssie: Halicy I copied it so others knew what I was answering! Duh! lol
DarKur Wolfe: 3 feet here
S.t.u.d: wishes for snow here to
[BingoBot]: Ball number 17 is I-20
Young Phalpha: Lonesome: If anyone should do anything about it should be us
rather than AW :) AW can't stop hate but we can :)
Chanty: is sooooo COLD!
Operator: You have a telegram.
pheenix TG: Lonesomedove.. pheenix wishes you a warm bed.
Chanty: snow=cold=cold
[BingoBot]: Ball number 18 is B-13
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: oh i am sorry explain that the next time u right doh....
thats my word

Telegram from Alphanumeric, sent just now:
Sorry, I was AFK lol

pheenix TG: called
Bella: just been to the outback of a australia can send some out there
like snow they welcome it
Lonesome D0ve: they should put a limit on how many of Gor worlds are allowed
S.t.u.d: cold and rain , might be ice later
[BingoBot]: Ball number 19 is I-21
SweetSuzie: <---has never seen snow
myna Wolfe r: and loose money never!
S.t.u.d: called
micheIe: oh MIstress Bella bet that was awesome
ElinoR: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 20 is N-36
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: where u live sweet u never seen snow??????
Geena: is growing weary of the flaming and logging chat for authorities to
view
Roo: I take my kids to the snow each year Suzie
Dranak: called
Myssie: Listen! I don't HATE the gor people! I HATE what it stands for! I
also HATE that gor took 2 of my BEST friends away from me! *sigh* it just
hurts is all!
Chanty: never??
Young Phalpha: Lonesome: Thats not an answer... AW would be in trouble with
the law for it...
Son of Sass: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 21 is G-57
Lonesome D0ve: That is exactly the crap that is so annoying michele and I
know that was just to try and pi§§ poeple off... its not very bright
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: they take friends alway?
[BingoBot]: Ball number 22 is N-44
SweetSuzie: I live in Australia, in queensland ...never snows here
myna Wolfe r: called
DarKur Wolfe: Myssie i am sorry for your loss maybe you should start moving
on and not look on it any more
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: lol
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: ok
SweetSuzie: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: i see
Neo SailorSaturn: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 23 is O-74
Mondo: called
pheenix TG: called
Young Phalpha: I have no problems with Gor people, I respect what it stand
for as it is their culture and we can still live ours :)
DarKur Wolfe: seeing as the number has gone up from 1 to 2
Bella: i live in nsw never snows there ethier
SweetSuzie: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 24 is I-17
Son of Sass: resign
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: gor a hole new like culture or something
myna Wolfe r: bingo
[BingoBot]: myna Wolfe r has called a BINGO - let's go check it out
Roo: Suzie,,, if u get the chance go to Mt Buffalo in Vic... it's great
there
pheenix TG: wtg
[BingoBot]: We have a WINNER! myna Wolfe r has a valid BINGO :-) Any other
BINGO claims?
The Black Tarn: well done
Dranak: wtg girl *S*
Neo SailorSaturn: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: is gore like a whole new culture
myna Wolfe r: thank you
Jynx: wtg myna!!
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: wtf
Bella: whoohoo way to go sis
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: wtg
Lonesome D0ve: Gorean ways are a cheap way of getting easy Cyber pure and
simple.........
magz: congrats
Roo: wtg
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: lol wrong one
myna Wolfe r: weeeeeeeeeeeeee
Myssie: Wolfe! I'm just hurting very much right now! My friend who just
joined gor, her and I have been best friends for over 2 years and did
everything together! I just miss her is all!
[BingoBot]: Say (or whisper) SCORE to see current standings. This series of
games is currently led by EZRA
SweetSuzie: congrats myna
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: wtg my bad i did f instead of g
maldoror: not only halacy
Dranak: dove if you only knew how wrong you are.....
[BingoBot]: In a few moments, we will begin a new game of BINGO :-)
Bella: hugs myna
myna Wolfe r: why should you seperate yourself from her then?
[BingoBot]: This is game 9 in a series of 10 games, playing for the prize,
"Prize2: A my.activeworlds.com e-mail address"
Lonesome D0ve: oh yes you win myna and hand over your winnings to your
Master as your not allowed to own anything either
Young Phalpha: AW is brought together with many different culture... AW has
done it for almost 6 years just because another different culture comes why
can't we continue?
[BingoBot]: To select a bingo card, click on the PLAYER strip at the top of
a **VACANT** card, and I will make a new card for you.
Young Phalpha: culture=cultures :)
myna Wolfe r: if she is your best friend then a lifestyle can't or
shouldn't break you apart
Dranak: scpre
Dranak: score
Roo: do u think Flagg will open a nother bingo?
[BingoBot]: To find out more about how to play Bingo, whisper RULES to me.
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: resign
maldoror: an underculture, you mean
King Tex: Yes Roo .... he said he will open another one later
Young Phalpha: No, not an underculture...
Roo: cooliesssssss..
[BingoBot]: For more information, whisper HELP to me :-)
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: phatness
Roo: means we get to play longer,,,hahahahha
micheIe: brb
Dranak: dove, ask your slef this, whether or not you agree to our
lifestyle, could you survive? I think not
SweetSuzie: *sigh* you won't get them to change their mind hun, both groups
are pigheaded and ego-centric
Lonesome D0ve: I have nothing against new cultures young but I will not put
up with there crap being shoved into the faces of others who do not want to
see or listern to it...... They need not flaunt there gorean ways out side
gorean worlds
micheIe: cooking dinner =)
micheIe: hehehe
Dranak: self
maldoror: the same roots as a certain nazi culture
maldoror: the 3 K
[BingoBot]: OK... here we go. Clear your cards. We are playing 'Bingo'.
Be sure to mark your FREE SPACE! :-)
Myssie: Ok D0ve! Time to drop it g/f!
maldoror: KINDER KIRCHE une KUCHE
[BingoBot]: Ball number 1 is N-45
Bella: takes hearing aid out dont listen any more play the game
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html lol
i aint done yet tho
S.t.u.d: what are you cooking chele
[BingoBot]: Ball number 2 is B-7
Young Phalpha: (to SweetSuzie) I'm tired of listening too it... I can
atleast try :)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 3 is I-20
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: quiet
Son of Sass: I wish you a Merry Christmas, I wish you a Merry Christmas, I
wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! *hugs all*
Bella: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: lol
SweetSuzie: LOL well be like me and say nothing and stil get abused LOL
Jynx: awww :o)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 4 is I-17
Lonesome D0ve: Thanks SoS
Roo: Hiyas SoS
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: thanks sos
Son of Sass: :o)
Young Phalpha: Lone, I didn't understand :(
myna Wolfe r: called
Bella: bye sassy you to have a merry chirstmas
Neo SailorSaturn: 0/4
Bunny2000: Hi ya everyone
[BingoBot]: Ball number 5 is G-50
Lonesome D0ve: what young you didn't understand?
AlphaBit Phalpha: Hi everyomne!:)
Jynx: hi BIt :o)
Son of Sass: Hi Bit
Young Phalpha: Hey Bit :)
Bunny2000: any cars
Mondo: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: christams aint for another 12 days
King Tex: {{{{{{{ Bit }}}}}}}}}}
Dranak: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 6 is B-2
Roo: Hiya
AlphaBit Phalpha: Hi Jynx and SoS:)....huggggs;)
Young Phalpha: Just try to repeat you you said alittle better :)
pheenix TG: score
SweetSuzie: called
Jynx: *hugs Bit*
AlphaBit Phalpha: ((((((TEX baby!)))))))))
S.t.u.d: score
myna Wolfe r: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 7 is B-1
pheenix TG: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: called
mosq: * runs from all people offering hugs*
Bunny2000: CARDS?
AlphaBit Phalpha: ok...whats the argument about Yo?:)
S.t.u.d: hello mosq
[BingoBot]: Ball number 8 is G-57
mosq: hey s.t,u,d
King Tex: pro's and con's of GOR worlds
S.t.u.d: hugs
mosq: lol, a typo
Young Phalpha: Gor culture againist people how hate it...
S.t.u.d: lol
Jaux Quest: 'lo all!
Son of Sass: Silent Night....Holy Night...All is calm...and my Bingo is
right...ON!!! :o)
ArcileShadowstar: resign
Young Phalpha: how=who
[BingoBot]: Ball number 9 is O-65
Young Phalpha: :)
AlphaBit Phalpha: People...please listen up........
pheenix TG: called
Roo: lol
Jaux Quest: score
Neo SailorSaturn: 2tg
SweetSuzie: lol SoS
[BingoBot]: Ball number 10 is I-22
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: lol
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: lol
AlphaBit Phalpha: Everyone in this Universe has dieeferent beliefs and
values
Itsme: called
Young Phalpha: (to SweetSuzie) With alittle help I have a better chance :)
myna Wolfe r: called
Myssie: ahhhhhhhhhhh *holds face and yells* STOP THE PRESSES!! LET ME CATCH
UP HERE!!! lol
Ceasa: i think my card is bugged.. hehe I dont have one of these
Lonesome D0ve: I dont mind other cultures at all... what I hate are those
that force there beliefs on others... and those that do not respect other
people enough not to use there beliefs when they have been told that they
are not liked or not welcome
Jaux Quest: empty cards?
[BingoBot]: Ball number 11 is I-21
ElinoR: called
DarKur Wolfe: called
Mousty: çalled
Mousty: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: called
myna Wolfe r: called
AlphaBit Phalpha: Please accept thos as just different beliefs and values
mosq: called
Dranak: you should practice what you preach
Young Phalpha: How exactly to they force belief on others?
S.t.u.d: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 12 is O-69
mosq: OOPS
mosq: GUESS WHAT
mosq: bingo
Myssie: Anyone that whispered to me hang on! TRYING to get caught up
[BingoBot]: mosq has called a BINGO - let's go check it out
Geena: wonders who died and left Lonesome D0ve in charge :o)
[BingoBot]: We have a WINNER! mosq has a valid BINGO :-) Any other BINGO
claims?
myna Wolfe r: wtg!
Jynx: wtg mosq~~
AlphaBit Phalpha: If we were all the same it would be a preeeety boring
universe...no?:)
Jaux Quest: any open cards?
magz: congrats
The Black Tarn: well done
DarKur Wolfe: called
Ceasa: lol i didnt get one number!
S.t.u.d: wtg mosq
Dranak: called
Geena: wtg
mosq: *bows*
Mondo: argh, that was quick
myna Wolfe r: *waves to Lynx*
Young Phalpha: And I don't believe they don't have respect for other
cultures :)
[BingoBot]: Say (or whisper) SCORE to see current standings. This series of
games is currently led by EZRA
AlphaBit Phalpha: I myself go to Gor on occassion to visit friends:)
Lynx Knight: im here muwahahahahaha
Bella: congrton mosq
Jaux Quest: AHHHH No open cards
mosq: score
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: jingle bells........jingle bells.....jingle all the way
pheenix TG: greetings
[BingoBot]: In a few moments, we will begin a new game of BINGO :-)
Son of Sass: The mute option works greatfor those of you who wish not to
listen to someone...therefore their beliefs are not forced upon you :o)
[BingoBot]: This is game 10 in a series of 10 games, playing for the prize,
"Prize2: A my.activeworlds.com e-mail address"
myna Wolfe r: score
Lynx Knight: waves to all his friends
The Black Tarn: Well spoken, Alpha (and the only avatar needed would be Cy)
:)
[BingoBot]: To select a bingo card, click on the PLAYER strip at the top of
a **VACANT** card, and I will make a new card for you.
Lonesome D0ve: well I for one dont need to see ll the Master servant crap
that goes on in Gorean worlds in the reg worlds.... if I wanted that I would
be gorean
The Black Tarn: Tal Lynx
Neo SailorSaturn: score
AlphaBit Phalpha: Yes The Black Tarn....LOL
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html
Lynx Knight: Tal Black Tarn
DarKur Wolfe: Tal Lynx
Jaux Quest: score
Reeper: GGOD LUCK EVERYONE:o)
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html and
send me mail
Lynx Knight: Tal Friend DarKur
Young Phalpha: I'm not gorean but I do have friends that are and they have
respect for me :)
[BingoBot]: To find out more about how to play Bingo, whisper RULES to me.
AlphaBit Phalpha: Lonesome have YOU ever gone to a Gor world and chatted?
Jaux Quest: Good Luck everyone!
Jynx: you too JQ!!
Dranak: show some respect dove, if you don't like it fine, but quit
knocking it, as you don't know what your talking about
mosq: lol
SweetSuzie: can you please take this debate elsewhere I just wanna play
bingo
[BingoBot]: For more information, whisper HELP to me :-)
Lonesome D0ve: No I dont need to as I get enough of it in other non gorean
worlds
Jaux Quest: I can't go into a Gor world, im only 11
Dranak: Tal Lynx knight
mosq: U LYER!
mosq: j/k
Lynx Knight: Tal Dranak
Young Phalpha: Well, Lonesome, different cultures greet differently :)
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: Gor:::::what does it stand
for???????????????????????????????????????????????????
pheenix TG: ~sighs~
mosq: I KNOW WHAT YOUVE BEEN DOING JAUX!
mosq: j/k
AlphaBit Phalpha: Then you speak from IGNORANCE Lonsome:)
Reeper: COME VIST MY WEBSITE AND AND TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO ADD AND DROP AT
www.beckysworld.com AND YOU CAN EMAIL ME THERE
Roo: t-shirts are next magz...one for u and one for me...hahahhahahaha
[BingoBot]: OK... here we go. Clear your cards. We are playing 'Bingo'.
Be sure to mark your FREE SPACE! :-)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 1 is N-32
Jaux Quest: I just want to know what the [CENSORED] Gor is...
Geena: would hate to think that if I greeted others with Hola that I would
be flamed :o)
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html and
send me mail
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html and
send me mail
AlphaBit Phalpha: How can you ever possibly judge by rumors only????????????
[BingoBot]: Ball number 2 is N-42
Young Phalpha: Jaux: Its a culture :)
mosq: oh reeper, drop the whole thing
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: 3tg
AlphaBit Phalpha: Geeeze!
SweetSuzie: called
MoonBeam: score
mosq: called
Myssie: <--------has decided to drop the issue of gor
[BingoBot]: Ball number 3 is O-64
myna Wolfe r: called
SweetSuzie: sheesh will you three please take it elsewhere
Jaux Quest: Ahhh..a culture..how descriptive *rolls eyes*
Reeper: :o)
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: what does gor stand for????
SweetSuzie: called
The Black Tarn: < follows Myssie's example.
Reeper: called
Jaux Quest: gore wahahah
ElinoR: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 4 is I-19
mosq: G- one - On - Rat
DoLL PartS: called
Reeper: score
mosq: i think
AlphaBit Phalpha: It's prejudicies like yours Lonesome that make the hate
and crime flourich in this world....sad piece of crap prejudies are:(
mosq: lol
Young Phalpha: Ask a Gor person and they can tell you :)
Myssie: Thanks Tarn
[BingoBot]: Ball number 5 is O-72
Lonesome D0ve: I dont care about the Tal's and greetings stuff its the
Master and slave stuff that you people carry on in the nongorean worlds that
Annoys me the most.. I dont see why a child should have to see that sort of
thing. it doesn't teach them anything iu
Myssie: It's not worth the stress is all
Geena: *setting clock* this usually only lasts for an hour or so in Bingo
each Wednesday
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: 3tg2w
The Black Tarn: agreed
Reeper: this is a bad card
[BingoBot]: Ball number 6 is B-12
AlphaBit Phalpha: I gotta leave folks.......ignorance repulses me:(
mosq: and a bad web page
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: 3tg2w
Reeper: O well
Jaux Quest: Me got very bad card
Young Phalpha: Well, we carry on our cultures elsewhere too...
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: 3tg3w
Lynx Knight: sheesh
AlphaBit Phalpha: Have fun and good luck!:)...huggggs:)
Geena: cya later Bit *hugs*
mosq: OMG
[BingoBot]: Ball number 7 is G-48
mosq: 5tg 5w
Dranak: they are not cybering, so what's the big deal?
Mondo: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: 2tg
Young Phalpha: Like in Spanish to look around... or in Germ at n so I can talk
to alot of my friends... :)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 8 is N-35
DarKur Wolfe: Back in the 16 hundreds Employees to nobles would call them
Master Mistress or other
S.t.u.d: wow i got one
DarKur Wolfe: so i cannot see your problem there
Son of Sass: I've got the whole world...in my pants, I've got the wholewide
world...in my pants :o) *chuckles*
Young Phalpha: True DarKur :)
Mousty: called
mosq: G2g
[BingoBot]: Ball number 9 is O-68
maldoror: http://pub11.ezboard.com/bactiveworldsgor to discover the
culture of gorean lifers
DarKur Wolfe: called
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html and
send me mail
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: http://www.geocities.com/bmrchargers/night_vision.html and
send me mail
Roo: dang..isn't that uncomfortable SoS??
The Black Tarn: You'd like to believe that, SoS :)
Jaux Quest: I summon the power of fire to help my card...oh wait thats from
Capn Planet not Jonny Quest...Ok *summons his Quest Catamaran*
[BingoBot]: Ball number 10 is O-69
pheenix TG: called
Son of Sass: lol
Reeper: www.beckysworld.com MUSIC COOL
SweetSuzie: called
Jaux Quest: I've been watching way too much cartoon network
[BingoBot]: Ball number 11 is N-40
Jaux Quest: called
Lynx Knight: brb
DarKur Wolfe: called
Dranak: called
Reeper: man where are the good numbers
[BingoBot]: Ball number 12 is O-70
myna Wolfe r: called
Son of Sass: SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!
Son of Sass: SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!
Son of Sass: SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!
Jaux Quest: my card stinks
Neo SailorSaturn: lol
ElinoR: :-)
Reeper: I only have 4 more to go
The Black Tarn: Ha !
[BingoBot]: Ball number 13 is O-61
Reeper: thats Dandy
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: 2tg
Young Phalpha: Also, I think Gor people have some of the best object design
skills :)
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S.t.u.d: called
Myssie: STOP SPAMMING Halacy! at
[BingoBot]: Ball number 14 is O-65
Sniper101: hey
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: sowie
SweetSuzie: will you please stop flooding halacy
SweetSuzie: called
Sniper101: score
Jynx: hi Snipe :)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 15 is N-38
myna Wolfe r: called
W00DY: called
Ceasa: bingo
[BingoBot]: Ceasa has called a BINGO - let's go check it out
Lonesome D0ve: anyone can do that if they wanted to sit down and learn young
[BingoBot]: We have a WINNER! Ceasa has a valid BINGO :-) Any other BINGO
claims?
Ceasa: lol woohoo
The Black Tarn: Well done
Jaux Quest: wtg ceasa
Reeper: WTG
Ceasa: thats a first
Jaux Quest: score
Roo: wtg
Jynx: wtg Ceasa!!
Jaux Quest: whahahah tie game
DarKur Wolfe: myna Come we are invited to a Party
Dranak: score
Jaux Quest: wait nm
Myssie: <----------has a headache now! lol
Ceasa: hehe
[BingoBot]: That was the last game of the series - Prize2: A
my.activeworlds.com e-mail address was won by EZRA
[BingoBot]: We will start another series of games for another prize after we
take a short break. Back in 120 seconds! CYa then :-)
Jaux Quest: woo ezra!!
Jynx: congrats EZR!
Young Phalpha: Lonesome, can you just drop the hatred to Gor people?
Jynx: *EZRA
magz: congrats!
The Black Tarn: Be well, Darkur Wolfe.
Roo: wtg
DarKur Wolfe: Be well Black Tarn
myna Wolfe r: see ya'll later!
pheenix TG: bye myna
SweetSuzie: byee myna
The Black Tarn: ::nods::
Lonesome D0ve: I will stop talking about it yes but me stop hating what they
do and say in nongorean worlds NEVER
Roo: byes
DarKur Wolfe: Be well Brothers and Sisters of Gor and all the fine kajira
and kajiru
Geena: out of character for me but *Shut the f*** up Daphne/Lonesome D0ve
pheenix TG: when exactly Lonesome..
Dranak: I wish you well DarKur
Lonesome D0ve: I am not Daphne
Geena: yeah right
Reeper: GOOD JOB EVERYONE FOR TRYING
Dranak: I wish you ewll myna
Dranak: well even
Jaux Quest: *Some people think AW is one big RPG...those people need
help...*
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: score
DarKur Wolfe: resign
Geena: resign
[BingoBot]: In a few moments, we will begin a new game of BINGO :-)
Geena: outta here
[BingoBot]: This is game 1 in a series of 10 games, playing for the prize,
"Prize3: A "Activeworlds Bingo Addicts Anonymous" t-shirt"
SweetSuzie: byeee Geena
[BingoBot]: To select a bingo card, click on the PLAYER strip at the top of
a **VACANT** card, and I will make a new card for you.
myna Wolfe r: eeeee to stay or not to stay
[BingoBot]: To find out more about how to play Bingo, whisper RULES to me.
micheIe: yuck
Jaux Quest: I live in activeworlds cuz the real world sux ;-) *How true*
micheIe: i want the six month extended membership
magz: Roo ... i dunno if we qualify for this one .... you have to be an
addict to win it / :
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: hmm'
Young Phalpha: Lonesome, what could I do to make you stop hating Gor people?
If you want, I can help you :) Bet I could find a Gor person that you could
find yourself being friends with :)
Roo: hehehehe
maldoror: want it too michele
[BingoBot]: For more information, whisper HELP to me :-)
Roo: think we should close bingo and just u and I play the next two
series???
Roo: lol
Dranak: she probably is friends with a Gorean, and doesn't know it *S*
magz: lol (:
Lonesome D0ve: If they kept all the Gor beliefs and the Master servant stuff
in the Gor worlds yeah I probably could
[BingoBot]: OK... here we go. Clear your cards. We are playing 'Bingo'.
Be sure to mark your FREE SPACE! :-)
Roo: lol but then u prolly win both
[BingoBot]: Ball number 1 is O-75
King Tex: YP ...I think LD's complaint is that some of them carry their
Gorean culture into non-GOR worlds
Roo: hahahaha
Young Phalpha: Maybe Dranak :) The Gor culture it quite large :)
Lynx Knight: still going on about it sheesh
[BingoBot]: Ball number 2 is N-36
micheIe: yawns and puts some morei diots on ignore
Lynx Knight: lol
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: brb
Lonesome D0ve: that is it exactly King Tex.. I dont think Kids who dont
understand it should have to see it
Young Phalpha: KT, don't we bring our culture into other culture worlds?
Red Hot: back
[BingoBot]: Ball number 3 is B-1
Son of Sass: resign
Jaux Quest: So is the paintball culture :)
[BingoBot]: Ball number 4 is I-22
Red Hot: later SoS
The Black Tarn: Be well, Friend
Jaux Quest: cya SoS
Son of Sass: what?
ElinoR: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 5 is N-35
Son of Sass: I'm not going anywhere
Avery: thank you sos
SweetSuzie: called
Young Phalpha: Lonesome, they never shown nudity or porn or stuff like
that... no cussing... how can a kid be harmed from that?
Jaux Quest: O
King Tex: in subtle ways ....yes ...but we don't call each other Master or
expect others to be submissive
Son of Sass: <---switching cards with a friend ;o)
Roo: *sigh* but SoS I need some luck for this t-shirt
[BingoBot]: Ball number 6 is N-31
pheenix TG: called
S.t.u.d: called
micheIe: ok
micheIe: yawns
[BingoBot]: Ball number 7 is I-24
Red Hot: you said resignSos .
Son of Sass: Roo...you won your game for the year a couple of days ago LOL
Roo: lol
Lonesome D0ve: excuse me?? I have seen there SOFT porn in other worldsthat
is where I found out about it all....
Young Phalpha: As long as they don't bring parts of their culture that they
know shouldn't belong in a G/PG world, then what it the harm?
Roo: but but but
[BingoBot]: Ball number 8 is I-29
Son of Sass: no...I said DESIGN! i'm redecorating my home LOL
Jynx: lol
[BingoBot]: Ball number 9 is B-14
IcyKool: called
Roo: did u get that new aprtment?
[BingoBot]: Ball number 10 is G-53
Son of Sass: waiting tohear...there were 3 other groups of people who wanted
it too
Red Hot: Oh lol well when you get to my age you wont be able to see well
like me hehewhe
pheenix TG: called
Roo: ack,,well they can wait,,lol
[BingoBot]: Ball number 11 is N-41
Son of Sass: *crosses fingers*
DoLL PartS: called
S.t.u.d: called
Jaux Quest: My card shtinks
[BingoBot]: Ball number 12 is B-7
micheIe: hides behind Master LYnx
IcyKool: scores
IcyKool: score
[BingoBot]: Ball number 13 is I-28
Jaux Quest: Later peeps
[BingoBot]: Ball number 14 is N-45
SweetSuzie: byeee Jaux
Lynx Knight: peace
Roo: byes
Lonesome D0ve: later Jaux
Jaux Quest: *poofers*
Jynx: bye JQ
[BingoBot]: Ball number 15 is N-42
ElinoR: called
Dranak: called
Lynx Knight: looks for the lil one
[BingoBot]: Ball number 16 is O-67
Red Hot: called
S.t.u.d: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 17 is B-4
[BingoBot]: Ball number 18 is G-58
[BingoBot]: Ball number 19 is O-61
King Tex: Add 1 to that please Bot
[BingoBot]: Ball number 20 is B-3
pheenix TG: called
micheIe: wishes bingo bot would let her win just once
micheIe: sighs
micheIe: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 21 is G-59
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: i have a sore throat oh man
S.t.u.d: called
maldoror: couillon ce bot !
Mondo: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 22 is N-44
H.a.l.a.c.ySport: gunk in my mouth err\
SweetSuzie: called
Operator: You have a telegram.
Son of Sass: called
[BingoBot]: Ball number 23 is B-8
Red Hot: score
Dranak: 1tg 2 ways
Operator: You have a telegram.
[BingoBot]: Ball number 24 is I-18

Dec 13, 2000, 11:41pm

Oh no don't tell me that THAT stupid argument is still going on? Its as
nearly as bad as all the attacks on what has become known as Wicca. Please
don't tell me that their gonna start burning people on stakes again just
because they don't like how they live their lives?

People that hate an entire group of people just because of their beliefs are
just following in the footsteps of the Nazis. Blinding themselves to the
suffering they are inflicting on others, because they feel their way is the
only way.

I bet the only time they will look up from the crap they are feeding
themselves is when a nuke has just been dropped on their heads and they are
already dead.

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Dec 14, 2000, 1:43am

I'd like to clarify a few things that I think both sides missed...

First off, Gor is NOT a culture, NOR a lifestyle. It is role-playing,
pure and simple. In the same way geeks will gather to play fantasy
adventures in Dungeons & Dragons, so too do Gor followers go to Gor
worlds to act out Gor ways. (Not to suggest that Gors are geeks ;))

That being said, what I think Lonesome Dove was getting at was that any
person with a semblance of sanity should know when to turn off "Gor
mode" and turn on "Normal mode". The problem with Gor is not really the
master/slave issue, or the sex acts, it's the fact that some people lose
touch with reality while experiencing Gor and eventually come to believe
the Gor reality as fact. They honestly believe that they are a
master/slave and it affects how they act in the real world. It is this
fear, I believe, that causes this discrimination: that if someone were
to get involved with Gor, they would get sucked in as well. (Doesn't
really say much about their self confidence, does it? :))

Personally, I have no problem with Gor. If someone were to tell me they
were Gor, I wouldn't blanch or cuss them out. However if someone were to
act out Gor in my presence, I would act much in the same way I would act
if someone ran up to me shouting "I attack you with +4 Sword of Death!"
I would wonder if perhaps it was a joke, then seeing they were actually
serious, I'd try to snap them back to reality.

Frankly, I think anyone who truly honestly believes that Gor should be a
way of life should seek help. For all intents and purposes, Gor is a
GAME, nothing more. Anyone who gets lost in the game, needs to realize
where they are and what they're doing, before they end up affecting more
than just their master/slave...

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Wonders why people are so quick to jump on the ignorance bandwagon...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 14, 2000, 9:26am

I just want to say a few things here! I know what I have to say won't make a
bit of difference but I want to say it anyways! *sigh* I have heard and seen
many people say that those who are of gor are always getting bashed by those
of us who are not of gor! Let me say something to that! First off, whether
those of gor realize it or not, they set themselves up TO be bashed! HOW you
ask! Simple! They bring the gor talk to grounds where NON gor's attend such
as...Alpha World, Bingo's etc. YES it's a program free for ALL to use BUT
many like myself believe that there is a time and place for that! We choose
NOT to go to gor because we want NO parts of it for whatever reasons! WHY
should we be subject to it outside gor? There are many gor worlds from what
I can see where that kind of behavior and talk should remain! The gor's say
they respect the kids that are around etc. YET they still continue to talk
gor! They ban kids from entering as well as tourist so WHY go to places
where the kids and those like myself are NON gor and don't like it? I have
been offended many times by the gors but have bit my tongue and not said a
word ONLY because my best friend is of gor which deeply saddens me! *sigh*
You people of gor say that YOU want respect, well my reply to you
is....respect goes BOTH ways! Respect OUR territory and don't speak gor or
act gor around us and we won't bash you and we will treat you with respect!
I get grams from thos of gor saying he or she (meaning themselves) I think
it's AWFUL and DEGRADING!!!
My opinion is this....If you want to play in non gor worlds that is fine! No
problem there BUT all we ask is that you keep the gor talk and behavior to
yourselves and in whispers to one another! I HATE being subjected to it and
so do MANY MANY other NON gor people! We don't WANT to hate those of gor but
they are leaving us no choice by shoving it down our throats! We get TIRED
of seeing it and hearing it! It's different if we ask about it but we don't
and have to put up with it! We go to Bingo to relax and have fun and next
thing you know we are invaded by gors! NO we don't have a problem with gor's
playing! What we DO have the problem with is the gor behavior and talk! (tal
this, tal that, master this , slave that, yaddie yaddie yaddie) BINGO IS NOT
THE PLACE FOR IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
I have become very bitter towards the gor "religion" or whatever you call
it! WHY? well because several months ago I lost a best friend to gor and now
we rarely ever speak which hurts me deeply! The second reason is because I
have since (within the past few days) lost my other best friend to gor and
now SHE hardly speaks to me! it hurts me sooo much that I have lost the 2
people that I loved dearly as a friend! it hurts so much that I find myself
crying all the time because it feels like a death to me! *huge sigh* the 3
of us used to do everything together and now we rarely talk to one another
or see one another! That's NOT fair to me and it hurts MORE than they or
anyone else will ever know! :...o(
Ok I think I have said my piece! if I think of anything more I will add it!
I'm sure I will get a LOT of negative feedback on this too! This post is NOT
to insult, degrade, upset, anger or put anyone down! It's just my way of
getting it off my chest!
Thanks!

~Myssie~

Dec 14, 2000, 10:26am

Myssie, I've only skimread through certain parts of your little essay but it
seems you have been bittered by Gor people taking in your friends. But isn't
friendship a two-way street? Have your tried in every single way to get in
contact with your "best friends"? I mean, my friends can join the KKK for
all I care, but if they still want a relationship with me, I sure as heck
want one back with them, no matter what they believe in. And I'll be the
first to be the pro-active one and try to reach them. :)
I've never experienced a Gor event as largely as many of you guys, but I've
seen it none the less. The way I see Gors' are as the minority. Just a lot
like blacks. Through things newbies learn (not always true and exaggerated
most of the time) about Gor's bring them to stereotype Gors as if all of
them were the same way. Maybe you have to be a bit more liberal to
understand the Goreans, and even now I don't understand them enough, but
hey, if the Gors want to play Bingo, there's no reason why they can't cross
the street. I mean, you can go into Gor and speak normal talk, and I THINK
they won't mind. Yet, they go into an AWBingo world and are persecuted for
the way THEY talk?? Seems mind-boggling to me.
I also don't understand why people keep constantly don't want to even look
at the sight of conflict. Yet, they'll charge into battle without
understanding the other side. I'm not talking about you though Myssie, you
seem to have plenty of knowledge on Gor (or at least I hope so). :) But just
in general, the fact that people still cringe at the way blacks or latinos
talk in the RW just makes me want to cringe sometimes myself. The same in
AW, everyone cringes at the talk of sex in AW, so they mute and never hear
another word. :) Yes, I can believe in that, BUT you just muted someone
you're telling others about with only maybe 3 lines of context to back you
up.
Under AW rules, I believe, Gors CAN talk the way they do talk in any public
world, they have the right, they can excercise it. All it takes is a simple
mute button to stop them, just don't go complaining about them even after
they're gone. :P
Really though, the only way we can get this resolved is through
understanding and listening, not just talking and bashing. I only see it
sensible enough that if majority of AW'ers are...not Gors...then WE try to
make the first step into understanding Gor life and educating what is true,
not what is untrue. :)

Again, sorry Myssie if this offended you, but it's not even geared towards
to, you must understand. ;) I'm replying to this post as it makes sense to
voice opinions in one long strand rather than seperate ones, that's all. :)

Nornny

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Dec 14, 2000, 4:09pm

Hi,

Ok, you say you are not prejudice, but. This sounds prejudice to me.


***First off, whether
those of gor realize it or not, they set themselves up TO be bashed! HOW you
ask! Simple! They bring the gor talk to grounds where NON gor's attend such
as...Alpha World, Bingo's etc.***


Do, Eastern Europeans set themselves up to be bashed because they speak
Eastern European in the States, and we don't understand what they are
saying? There are a lot of immigrants coming to the states now. If we all
thought along those lines they would be bashed daily. Thank goodness there
are laws against it. Is it right to bash gays because one man calls another
his wife? Also laws against that. Both of these examples are a matter of the
way people talk, and what they say.

It doesn't make it right to bash some one simply because they use different
words then you do to say the same things. Tal means hello... You seem to
think it's ok to bash people for saying hello.

The Gorenns have set up a Culture for themselves in AW, and weather you
like it or not they have the right to speak any way they like. Not once in
that whole log that Young phalpha posted did I hear anything that had to do
with sex coming from the Gor people, yet I did hear a few people talking
about how Gor people shouldn't be allowed to talk in Bingo because there
were kids and they didn't want them around sex talk.


Again here you seem to have a problem with the way Goreans talk.

***NO we don't have a problem with gor's
playing! What we DO have the problem with is the gor behavior and talk! (tal
this, tal that, master this , slave that, yaddie yaddie yaddie) BINGO IS NOT
THE PLACE FOR IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!***

Please do not include me in that "we" at the beginning of your statement.
There were a lot of people at Bingo that disagreed with you.

Again if we all thought along these lines the Eastern Europeans wouldn't be
able to open their mouths in America. As if to say, We don't mind them being
here but we don't want to hear them talk. That is prejudice, Pure and
simple.

Nothing the Goreans said in that log had any sexual connotations. But I
notice that when people want to justify their prejudice they will resort to
the excuse that they don't want sex in front of the kids.

I am sorry for your lose of friends. But, from what I am reading in your
post, I can only assume you lost your friends because you are prejudice
against the path THEY chose to walk. Your friends are adults and yes "CHOSE"
to become Gorean. I know that if you still wanted to have a relationship
with your friends you could. I am assuming that you have cut off the
relationship because you don't agree with their choice. Goreans do not go to
the other worlds on recruiting missions. Your friends found their own way
there, they were not taken away.

There are many ways to justify prejudice behavior; at the same time denying
prejudice in yourself. Take a good look at how you feel and what you are
saying. It is prejudice.

Imagine


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Dec 14, 2000, 4:57pm

Good lord, people. You all replied to my post, yet it seems none of you
actually READ it! Gor ISN'T a culture, it's a GAME. G-A-M-E! People
role-play in a mideval/gothic setting and play out the parts of masters
and slaves. It's NOT a way of life. Do you honestly think Masters have
control of their Slaves even if they aren't in the same room/world, or
even if they aren't online, for that matter? No, because anything Gor
only applies when the two people decide to be in "Gor mode". The problem
some people have with it is when people stay in "Gor mode" even when
they aren't in a Gor designated area. (i.e. Bingo) It would be the same
thing if two kids came into Bingo and started having an imaginary
Pokemon battle. There are times and places for everything, and last I
checked, Bingo was a world to play Bingo in, not role-playing.

As I said before, if someone decided to stay in Gor mode 24/7, I'd be a
little worried. But I should hope that the average Gorean knows the
difference between fantasy and reality, and in a public forum, one
should leave one's fantasies at the door.

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Wonders why "true" Goreans would be playing Bingo in the first place...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 14, 2000, 5:50pm

I'm not ignorant about Gor.. I read the books many years ago when they first
came out.. They were entertainment, nothing more.. To find that twenty or
thirty years down the road people took the stories to heart shocks me...
The fact that people now actually try to live that "lifestyle" degrades all
humans as human dignity is what we, as humans, have fought for for hundreds
of years in hundreds of actual, human cultures.

(Yes, Goober King.. Many do their best to "live" as Goreans in their Real
World, not just in virtual..)

Gor is NOT a human culture. It is NOT a race of people. It is a bunch of
misguided, inadequate people that have embraced a fictional, alter-earth
story because it appears to offer some kind of emotional crutch they
evidently feel they need. As such, it can't be compared to the unreasoned
prejudices some people have against actual human races.

The "Goreans" need a psycologist or emotional therapist, not some civil
rights group. Maybe then truly ignorant, misguided people wouldn't end up
stuffed in barrels.

To have an AWCI employee tell other users they are ignorant if they are
against the Gor lifstyle and if they speak out against Gors throwing it in
our faces in other AW worlds, is ignorance on their part. Evil is as evil
does and the Gor mind-set is evil. Decent ppl will always be against it.

If Gor has to be in AW because AWCI loves money better than morals then at
least Gor can keep Gor and the master/slave evilness in their own worlds. I
will say the same to anyone.



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Dec 15, 2000, 12:03am

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My Jaw dropped to the rug when i saw Jeiden, say this was akin to Nazism.
WTF??
If they think this is a religion, then now its a cult, and if its a cult
then someone pray they dont go Davidian on their own ass'

I dont mind Gor or Goreans at all, I dont care what they do, but i do
care where they go.
Yes please keep goreanisms to Gor worlds.
Children dont need to see this.

Or be lured into being apart of it, ( Yes i know the age limits)



[View Quote] > I'm not ignorant about Gor.. I read the books many years ago when they first
> came out.. They were entertainment, nothing more.. To find that twenty or
> thirty years down the road people took the stories to heart shocks me...
> The fact that people now actually try to live that "lifestyle" degrades all
> humans as human dignity is what we, as humans, have fought for for hundreds
> of years in hundreds of actual, human cultures.
>
> (Yes, Goober King.. Many do their best to "live" as Goreans in their Real
> World, not just in virtual..)
>
> Gor is NOT a human culture. It is NOT a race of people. It is a bunch of
> misguided, inadequate people that have embraced a fictional, alter-earth
> story because it appears to offer some kind of emotional crutch they
> evidently feel they need. As such, it can't be compared to the unreasoned
> prejudices some people have against actual human races.
>
> The "Goreans" need a psycologist or emotional therapist, not some civil
> rights group. Maybe then truly ignorant, misguided people wouldn't end up
> stuffed in barrels.
>
> To have an AWCI employee tell other users they are ignorant if they are
> against the Gor lifstyle and if they speak out against Gors throwing it in
> our faces in other AW worlds, is ignorance on their part. Evil is as evil
> does and the Gor mind-set is evil. Decent ppl will always be against it.
>
> If Gor has to be in AW because AWCI loves money better than morals then at
> least Gor can keep Gor and the master/slave evilness in their own worlds. I
> will say the same to anyone.
>
>
>
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Chris Waddell
dmonix at home.com
www.dmonix.net


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WTF??<br>
If they think this is a religion, then now its a cult, and if its a cult
then someone pray they dont go Davidian on their own ass'<br>
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I dont mind Gor or Goreans at all,&nbsp; I dont care what they do, but i do care where they go.<br>
Yes please keep goreanisms to Gor worlds.<br>
Children dont need to see this.<br>
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Or be lured into being apart of it, ( Yes i know the age limits)<br>
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Dec 15, 2000, 1:53am

If you read my post through you would have seen that I said "People that
hate an entire group of people just because of their beliefs are just
following in the footsteps of the Nazis. Blinding themselves to the
suffering they are inflicting on others, because they feel their way is the
only way."

Sure the Goreans may be acting stupid but you shouldn't bash them repeatedly
in the head with insults, flames and discrimination! Hate in and of itself
is the ONLY really evil that is occurring.

People need ways of winding down and relaxing, if that is by watching the
mindless crap that is sometimes put on tv, mountain climbing, or roleplaying
be it Gor or just old fashion DnD, then so be it. Live and let live. Or as
the Wiccans say if it harms none then so let it be.

Now realise I intensely dislike Gor for my own reasons (i.e. I was named
after the main character as one) but I will not make any Gorean feel
unwelcome for just saying Tal(hello). Amrith (which is a PRIVATE world) may
have a "Leave Gor at the door" rule but that is a private world and as such
I make the rules there.

But if I remember correctly AWBingo is a PUBLIC world with a rule of NO
DISCRIMINATION ALLOWED! Remember AWCOM is based in the US and as such must
follow both State and Federal laws. And as far as the letter of those laws
go, if you discriminate for any reason you will get thrown in jail and get a
really nasty fine.

So unless you wish AWCI to cease to exist and AW be destroyed because of
your hate, the SHUT THE at #$% UP! Because if AW were to ban Gor then that IS
what is going to happen. The Goreans would file a class action
discrimination lawsuit against AWCI and the US Government would be forced to
take the side of the Goreans and order AWCI to close its doors forever or
let the Goreans back in.

Think this IS just like what happened to the blacks in the 1960's and what
did the gov't do? But FORCE everyone at GUN POINT to let them into the
schools and restaurants that they were banned from.

You can ban individuals for breaking the rules but you can't ban them
because of a LABEL that you have put on them. For all you know the Gor you
are bashing to day may well be a Doctor that could save your life someday.

And if you were doing to me what you are doing to them I sure as heck would
let you die!

Myssie you lost your friends not because they CHOSE Gor but because you are
not willing to accept them as they are and support them in what ever they
do. I know that I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who hated even a
part of me. Friendship is the total acceptance of another person. If you
cannot accept a persons pluses as well as their faults then you are not a
true friend.

Gor may have started out as a game but it has evolved at least in AW in to a
culture. And like all cultures it has both its postive and negitive aspects,
but it is not our place to decide to judge what they are.

Do any of you know what its like to be around people that actually hate you
and you are unable to make them understand the truth?

I may not be a Gorean but I do know what it is like to be the object of
whispered conversations and the object of someone's hatred, day in and day
out. Never being able to do anything in their eyes that was right. The
constant heartache almost killed me.

So when you bash them its like witnessing the horror that I lived through
happening to someone else. So even though I hate Gor to my core, I will
defend them until someone puts a bullet in my head.

So before you attack something think, of the pain you may be causing to
those that you are directing your hate at. Because though wounds of the
flesh may heal, wounds that you inflict on the mind may never heal.

Trust me I know.

[View Quote] I dont mind Gor or Goreans at all, I dont care what they do, but i do care
where they go.
Yes please keep goreanisms to Gor worlds.
Children dont need to see this.

Or be lured into being apart of it, ( Yes i know the age limits)

Dec 15, 2000, 2:50am

You refer to Gor and Wicca allot, i practice neither, but Wicca is a
globally recognised Religion.
Gor is as you have it is a hobby,. A hobby
And I like you dont have much liking for Gor, but they dont bother me,
as long as they keep their ways and beliefs to themselves.
I would have to say to, that just cause a program is excercised in the
US doesnt mean the laws govern it.
But I am Canadian so, who gives?

--
Chris Waddell
dmonix at home.com
www.dmonix.net

Dec 15, 2000, 3:01am

I think Daphne established that Gor is morally wrong. Role-playing, or
real-life playing, it is still wrong. Who here would allow a world to
built based on Nazism, or a KKK town? Anyone?

If it is role-playing, leave it at the door. If you live it, then you
earn the disgust you get.

Jeff Raven

Dec 15, 2000, 3:22am

It is truly sad that you do not care, but the company headquarters is in the
US so they must follow US law. Just because you are separated by a computer
screen you must remember that there are people on the other end of the line.
You seem to have forgotten that.

Just because you are in a different country you think you are exempt from
prejudice and hate? And I did not say that Gor was a hobby, I stated that it
may have started as a game but it has become a culture all its own.

True I may not like it, but I have enough respect for my fellow humans to
allow them to live in peace. Without throwing taunts and insults at them.

And I am surprised that someone from Canada has so little respect for others
as you do. And before you say what right I have to say that, my family came
from northern New Brunswick and even though the last couple of generations
have been born in the US. We still have maintained the belief that you must
respect others (even those that would fight and try to destroy you,
especially them).

If Canada is no longer teaching its children that then you will all soon go
through times worse than anyone in the worst US slum could imagine.

And the reason I am referring to Gor is that this is a thread about Gor. And
unless I say what I am talking about and keep to the point you would have no
idea what the heck I was talking about.

I mention Wicca because I have found them to be some of the most level
headed people I have met. It is too bad more people don't have some of the
same values as they do. Then we wouldn't be at each other's throats all the
time.

Also you learn more by being quiet and listening to what is going on with an
open mind, then you do by screaming how much you hate everything.

The quiet ones know more about what's going on then they let on. I know I'm
usually quiet making sure I know as much as I can before I speak at all. I
may not be perfect, but then no one is so do not expect them to be.

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Dec 15, 2000, 3:23am

Gor is not Nazism, bashing them because they exist is.

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Dec 15, 2000, 4:20am

[View Quote] Being critical of a person or a group does not necessarily constitute
hatred. If I walked around with a carrot sticking out of my pants and tell
everyone that I am doing it because of a book I read as a teenager people
are probably going to laugh at me. There is no law in the US against
laughing at people who do goofy things, especially if they go around
BRAGGING about the goofy things they do. There have been several posts with
analysis that would lead one to believe that the Gorian "philosophy" is
actually derived from Nazi writings. While the majority of Goreans in AW
may be responsible in their role playing, there is fairly solid evidence
that among them are "lurkers" just waiting for the chance to do things that
we would all agree are evil. I think it is THAT possibility that scares the
bejesus out of the rest of us. It has more to do with fear than with
hatred.

> Sure the Goreans may be acting stupid but you shouldn't bash them
repeatedly
> in the head with insults, flames and discrimination! Hate in and of itself
> is the ONLY really evil that is occurring.
>
Well, no, there is that little issue of murder. Remember?

> People need ways of winding down and relaxing, if that is by watching the
> mindless crap that is sometimes put on tv, mountain climbing, or
roleplaying
> be it Gor or just old fashion DnD, then so be it. Live and let live. Or as
> the Wiccans say if it harms none then so let it be.
>
Well, your inconsistent here, as you point out below, "wounds of the flesh
may heal, wounds that you inflict on the mind may never heal" and we have no
way of knowing for sure if there is not some among the Goreans that really
need help instead of support for their current state of mind.

> Now realise I intensely dislike Gor for my own reasons (i.e. I was named
> after the main character as one) but I will not make any Gorean feel
> unwelcome for just saying Tal(hello). Amrith (which is a PRIVATE world)
may
> have a "Leave Gor at the door" rule but that is a private world and as
such
> I make the rules there.
One can generalize the "Leave Gore at the door" rule so that they don't feel
picked upon. Well adjusted, mature adults can in the course of ordinary
conversation pick up on the intent of other adults to enter into a
conversation involving sex, or fantasy. I find the idea that some users of
AW think of it as one big online singles bar incredibly amusing. In most
cases I suspect these people are as inept at relationships in real life as
they seem to be online. When the first question someone poses on entering a
world is "A/S/L?" I rarely find that they are interesting people to talk to.
Half the population of AW seems to be about as sophisticated as Beavis and
Butthead. "Hey Bebey". Its very funny stuff, but not something to pattern
your life after. Nor is Gor in my opinion.

>
> But if I remember correctly AWBingo is a PUBLIC world with a rule of NO
> DISCRIMINATION ALLOWED! Remember AWCOM is based in the US and as such must
> follow both State and Federal laws. And as far as the letter of those laws
> go, if you discriminate for any reason you will get thrown in jail and get
a
> really nasty fine.
Um...I don't think so. The laws of the U.S. are not written on a napkin,
but in stacks of book that nobody has yet memorized. Our recent election
demonstrated that a lot of intelligent people can disagree about what the
law actually is at any given instant or in any given location.
Discrimination against someone because of their race, sex, or religion is
certainly frowned on, but as some recent court cases show, (Boy Scouts vs.
the Gay Troop Leader for example) there are exceptions. Basically I think
its the right AND responsibility of the parent to tell their kids about the
Birds and Bees when he time is right. Anyone attempting to introduce the
subject online with a youth deserves all of our scorn. And I don't care
WHAT form their sexuality takes.

>
> So unless you wish AWCI to cease to exist and AW be destroyed because of
> your hate, the SHUT THE at #$% UP! Because if AW were to ban Gor then that
IS
> what is going to happen. The Goreans would file a class action
> discrimination lawsuit against AWCI and the US Government would be forced
to
> take the side of the Goreans and order AWCI to close its doors forever or
> let the Goreans back in.
Yeah, I'm sure it will go straight to the supreme court too. Does that
mean I can put tem out of business when they eject me for using the "S"
word? What's laughable about the AW position is that they are so fanatical
about dirty words, but so lax when it comes to having Gor people involved
with enforcement. They have never been on solid ground in that area, and
probably never will. They will not get put out of business because of a
lawsuit however. People vote with their feet. Nobody's being forced to
use AW. If I had kids I wouldn't let them use it unless I was around.
That's for sure.

>
> Think this IS just like what happened to the blacks in the 1960's and what
> did the gov't do? But FORCE everyone at GUN POINT to let them into the
> schools and restaurants that they were banned from.
Well you've lost me here....now I don't know who's side your on.

>
> You can ban individuals for breaking the rules but you can't ban them
> because of a LABEL that you have put on them. For all you know the Gor you
> are bashing to day may well be a Doctor that could save your life someday.
>
> And if you were doing to me what you are doing to them I sure as heck
would
> let you die!
Fortunately, non of the Gor folk I've seen posting here (or in the Gor
forums) is smart enough to have a medical degree.

>
> Myssie you lost your friends not because they CHOSE Gor but because you
are
> not willing to accept them as they are and support them in what ever they
> do. I know that I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who hated even
a
> part of me. Friendship is the total acceptance of another person. If you
> cannot accept a persons pluses as well as their faults then you are not a
> true friend.
Friends don't let friends drive drunk. Or do any number of other stupid
things. If they persist in doing stupid things, then maybe they were never
your friend in the first place. A healthy dose of DISCRIMINATION is a good
thing when choosing a friend.

>
> Gor may have started out as a game but it has evolved at least in AW in to
a
> culture. And like all cultures it has both its postive and negitive
aspects,
> but it is not our place to decide to judge what they are.
Well if you don't ever want to be judgmental why are you posting here?
Life is so much more interesting when you have opinions about things. Don't
you think?

>
> Do any of you know what its like to be around people that actually hate
you
> and you are unable to make them understand the truth?
Been there, done that.

>
> I may not be a Gorean but I do know what it is like to be the object of
> whispered conversations and the object of someone's hatred, day in and day
> out. Never being able to do anything in their eyes that was right. The
> constant heartache almost killed me.
Want to see my scars?

>
> So when you bash them its like witnessing the horror that I lived through
> happening to someone else. So even though I hate Gor to my core, I will
> defend them until someone puts a bullet in my head.
Um...don't you think you are being a bit extreme? Being bashed is not all
that bad, REALLY. When EEP gives me grief about the way my lines wrap it
rolls of me like water off a duck. I only wish that I had the power to
"bash" someone into seeing things my way.

>
> So before you attack something think, of the pain you may be causing to
> those that you are directing your hate at. Because though wounds of the
> flesh may heal, wounds that you inflict on the mind may never heal.
I am really confused...you say you hate the goreans, but you don't think
other people should hate the goreans. Make up your mind. I don't hate
the goreans, I just don't want them interacting with children, especially
about things pertaining to Gor, and ideally, not at ALL. I think if the
Gor people just stayed in their Gor worlds and never came out recruiting we
would all be much more sanguine about the whole thing. But like many such
groups, their notion of "being left alone" doesn't quite match up with what
the rest of us have in mind.

>
> Trust me I know.
I trust people about as far as I can throw them. Which means I tent to
trust smaller people more. How much do you weigh?

>
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Dec 15, 2000, 5:05am

There are lurkers in probably every chatroom in existence. And a good number
of them are scumbags waiting to pounce on the unwary.

Just because one of them pops up and uses Gor as a hunting ground, doesn't
mean they are all like that.

If you really wanted to protect the children, you would explain to them the
dangers of the internet in such away as they keep it in mind when you are
not there. Kids are smarter that adults give them credit for, its just
experience that most of them lack. And it is that lack of experience
combined with the manipulation of those who use the net as a hunting ground
that gets them killed or worse.

If they know that certain actions equal danger then usually they avoid it.

You just got to explain it in a way that they will not just understand but
also want to listen. If you scream at them they won't listen. Cause if you
aren't understanding of them. They will find someone who is and that person
could be exactly the person your afraid of, then again maybe not.

If you listen to them, they will listen to you.

Dec 15, 2000, 7:55am

I just wanted to write another message here! I'm not good with words and
sometimes I sound like something I'm not, but in this case, the first
message I posted, I sounded harsh!
I want to humbly apologize to ANYONE especially those of gor who were either
hurt or offended by my message! My message was not to hurt or offend anyone
but it has and I am sorry! *sigh*
When I posted that message, I was very hurt, angry and very devastated and
because I was listening to my feelings, I hurt some people in the process
and you know who you are and for that I humbly apologize!
I still don't agree with the gorean ways but I won't bash, abuse, or
ridicule those that do! Just because I posted out of anger and hurt doesn't
make it any better or excuse me! It was still just as hurtful regardless!
*sigh*
I took part in a conversation in Bingo on Wednesday that never should have
never taken place! I would like to humbly apologize to ALL those of gor for
that! I have NO excuse for my posts no matter HOW I was feeling!
Unfortunately I made an enemy from one person of gor because I hurt and
angered her! I am very sorry! I don't know if she will ever see this post
but I hope she does! I did gram her and did try to apologize but the damage
was done and I was asked not to gram her again! ....you know who you are if
you do see this! Please accept my apologies!
In the future, I for one will NOT take part in a conversation where those of
gor are being bashed! As the saying goes in my world......There is NO excuse
of abuse......That statment is so true! many of us have been abused enough
in our lives and it's time to put a stop to it! I don't want to lose anymore
friends or anger anyone else! Abuse whether it's verbal or whatever is very
hurtful! Those that know me and know me well know that I am NOT a hurtful
person! Atleast not intentionally! I am also the first to apologize when I
know I was wrong, and in this case I was wrong! I may have had some valid
points but my reason behind my posting was wrong and hurtful and does not
excuse me!
Winged Demon & to my other friend! I apologize the most to you 2 and you
know why! Thank you for bringing certain things to my attention! I never
meant to hurt either of you or your friends!

To the person who felt or feels that I am a predjudice person, I just want
to say that I'm not predjudice! I know my post certainly sounded like it,
but honestly I'm not! The problem is, is that I was poised against those of
gor! I have been told so many things that it has literally frightened me to
no end! I was also given a URL to see (which is where I origionally heard
about gor) that scared me so bad that I didn't come near the computer for 3
days! The URL I am referring to is the one of the cit Faith! But again, just
because I was poisoned on gor, still doesn't give ME the right to be hurtful
and again I humbly apologize!
Thank you!

~Myssie~

Dec 15, 2000, 12:12pm

Yo, cool it with all the exclamation points! It's! very! annoying!

[View Quote] > I just wanted to write another message here! I'm not good with words and
> sometimes I sound like something I'm not, but in this case, the first
> message I posted, I sounded harsh!
> I want to humbly apologize to ANYONE especially those of gor who were either
> hurt or offended by my message! My message was not to hurt or offend anyone
> but it has and I am sorry! *sigh*
> When I posted that message, I was very hurt, angry and very devastated and
> because I was listening to my feelings, I hurt some people in the process
> and you know who you are and for that I humbly apologize!
> I still don't agree with the gorean ways but I won't bash, abuse, or
> ridicule those that do! Just because I posted out of anger and hurt doesn't
> make it any better or excuse me! It was still just as hurtful regardless!
> *sigh*
> I took part in a conversation in Bingo on Wednesday that never should have
> never taken place! I would like to humbly apologize to ALL those of gor for
> that! I have NO excuse for my posts no matter HOW I was feeling!
> Unfortunately I made an enemy from one person of gor because I hurt and
> angered her! I am very sorry! I don't know if she will ever see this post
> but I hope she does! I did gram her and did try to apologize but the damage
> was done and I was asked not to gram her again! ....you know who you are if
> you do see this! Please accept my apologies!
> In the future, I for one will NOT take part in a conversation where those of
> gor are being bashed! As the saying goes in my world......There is NO excuse
> of abuse......That statment is so true! many of us have been abused enough
> in our lives and it's time to put a stop to it! I don't want to lose anymore
> friends or anger anyone else! Abuse whether it's verbal or whatever is very
> hurtful! Those that know me and know me well know that I am NOT a hurtful
> person! Atleast not intentionally! I am also the first to apologize when I
> know I was wrong, and in this case I was wrong! I may have had some valid
> points but my reason behind my posting was wrong and hurtful and does not
> excuse me!
> Winged Demon & to my other friend! I apologize the most to you 2 and you
> know why! Thank you for bringing certain things to my attention! I never
> meant to hurt either of you or your friends!
>
> To the person who felt or feels that I am a predjudice person, I just want
> to say that I'm not predjudice! I know my post certainly sounded like it,
> but honestly I'm not! The problem is, is that I was poised against those of
> gor! I have been told so many things that it has literally frightened me to
> no end! I was also given a URL to see (which is where I origionally heard
> about gor) that scared me so bad that I didn't come near the computer for 3
> days! The URL I am referring to is the one of the cit Faith! But again, just
> because I was poisoned on gor, still doesn't give ME the right to be hurtful
> and again I humbly apologize!
> Thank you!

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And I like you dont have much liking for Gor, but they dont bother me,
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You are lumping me in as hating and touting evilol against them. Which I am not, I am merely as you are stating an opinion.


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dmonix at home.com
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Dec 16, 2000, 12:28am

I never saw anything morally wrong with sex in the first place (if that's
what you're refering to). It's a beautiful thing that I want to experience
when I grow up and get committed. I say the more sex children are exposed
to, that ISN'T degrading, the better. :) You parents never take the time to
educate us on the subject anyways. :) Considering that, you could say what
the Goreans ARE doing IS degrading, and morally wrong, because of the
bondage factor, so I guess I just posted this for no reason. WHAT is a ten
year old child doing in a public world like AWBingo on his/her own, anyways?
:) If Goreans are talking about stuff beyond the rating AWBingo has, then
it's wrong. But why even try to get so bent out of shape with someone else
calling someone he/she knows a slave? :) I just wish we all (including I)
could understand the motives and thoughts behind what they do. :)
As for IF a nazi or a KKK were living in my own town (actually, there was a
KKK leader who had a hit list of all the minority leaders of my town living
a few roads down from me a few years back. And I'm asian :P he's in jail
now.), if he/she wasn't harming anyone internally or externally, and was as
civil to me as I would be to him/her, I don't see the problem with the KKK
or nazi member, even if they're parading down the street calling for blacks
to be persecuted. heck, Just like in AW, who really listens? :) You all here
have your foundations on your beliefs enough to know what to and NOT to
follow. And there's no one under the age or maturity in AW where he/ she
will be swayed by strangers (or else they wouldn't be using the net). Just
because people are taking things out of Gor worlds and into public ones
doesn't mean it has become a lifestyle. I mean, it's like me going out and
speaking like Pikachu. Sure, a bit silly, but life goes on. :) I doubt
ANYONE really refers to someone as slave/master in real life, or at least in
seriousness. But alas, all my opinions are based on what-ifs...
*a yell from Nornny's mother is heard in the background* *in a sarcastic
sigh* yes, master mommy...

Nornny

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Dec 16, 2000, 3:54pm

Truly, if you do not know about Gor, then it is not appropriate to try and
represent it in this manner.

There are some people who treat it as a roleplaying game, but there are
still others who live a lifestyle based off of it.

All I ask is that people understand something before they speak of it as if
they know it.

Thank you.

-Locodarwin


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Dec 16, 2000, 4:19pm

Misconceptions:


This is the sort of thing that spreads misunderstanding. I am sad to see a
person assume things about a culture or lifestyle that is untrue. I would
ask people to either find out more about it, or leave it alone.

When those of Gor leave their worlds to participate in the activities of
others, they may speak differently, but I do not believe they bring the
lingo of the lifestyle there to push it on anyone. I know I don't.

As for Myssie, I know the friends you have lost - and I can only say this:
should you ever choose to follow your heart, I hope those who care about you
won't put you down for it. Also, I hope they won't blame the group, because
truly it is the individual who makes the decision.

Gor is not about sex. It is about people, and the way they choose to live
their lives. Some of them play with it as if it was a game, but others do
not. For those who make it a lifestyle, respect is due. No discrimination
is passed to those who do not know of it - and don't speak of it as if they
do.

And Gor is not BDSM, for those who have been thinking so.

For those who live it, AW is but a cheap way to express it, and interact
with others as if through a long distance telephone call. The fantasy
aspects are merely tongue-in-cheek.

Thank you,

-Locodarwin


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Dec 16, 2000, 4:42pm

This "game" that you suggest is not a game for many.

And some of us are VERY grounded in reality. The principles of Gor are
based on this philosophy.

If you should choose to find out more about it, so that you can actually
speak of it and sound educated, then I encourage you to look me up in AW as
"Locodarwin." You will then be given an opportunity to see that for some it
is not a game, not a joke, and not a glorified hack & slash fantasy based on
Master/slave relationships.

There are tons of boards, groups, sites, and the like devoted to Gor. Many
of them cast it in a dubious light. Should you ever wish to see it in
perspective (because yours is incorrect), do indeed contact me. And no, Gor
does not recruit. :o) In fact, it is more likely to discourage more often
than most other communities. I am all for the prevention of exposure (of
the adult aspects) to children, and I do indeed find it necessary to
dissuade people probably 99% of the time, rather than encroach it upon them.

-Locodarwin


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Dec 17, 2000, 1:05am

I've researched myself on this 'Gor'
culture(http://www.gor.com/what-is-gor.html), and frankly, I do NOT see
how anyone can defend it. It is based on a master/slave relationship.
Something that is totally against human nature. This moral abomination
is something that arose from science fiction books. It is not a
recognized religion, it not a belief that should "respected." Slavery
is wrong, whether the subject wants it or not. The Gorean 'culture' as
you put it deserves to be put down. Just think, in the 1940's, France
and England allowed Germany to take over countries. They appeased them,
let them do what they wanted, never standing against what they knew was
wrong. Well, I stand against you. I find this practice disgusting, and
I stand by what I believe is right. I will probably get flamed, but I
don't care. You, my friend, have no defense.

Jeff Raven

Dec 17, 2000, 1:25am

I apologize if I haven't memorized all of Gor dogma, but what I have
seen of it has told me all I need to hear. My basic understanding was
that some guy (conveniently forgotten his name) wrote a series of books
about people using cyberspace and virtual reality to teach younger
generations their ways, which included how to act like a slave, and
eventually becoming masters of their own slaves, etc, etc. Some people,
as you stated, decided to take it a step further and role-play off it.
Others, which I find rather disturbing, have decided to take it as their
guideline for life.

Again, I apologize if perhaps my understanding of it isn't correct, but
what I've seen on Gor sites and have been told by people claiming to be
of Gor has lead me to these conclusions. Perhaps I only ran into the
folks who were of the role-playing mindset and wrongfully assumed they
were in the majority. My apologies.

Nevertheless, regardless of who treats it as a game and who does not, I
find it *very* disturbing that someone would take essentially a work of
fiction and turn it into their Word of Law. I highly doubt the original
author of these Gor books intended to have people actually follow his
so-called "teachings". Although I myself have never read any of the Gor
books, I'd wager a guess that the author's original intent of writing
these books was to comment on humans becoming slaves of technology, and
using technology to create more slaves, thereby continuing the cycle.
Again, that's just my theory, and you may take it or leave it as you
wish.

Still, the idea that you chose to live in a fantasy world (someone
ELSE's fantasy world, I might add) demonstrates to me that you aren't
that grounded at all. It would be akin to me deciding I'm going to live
according to Elvish law as dictated in the Silmarillion. I'll study the
Elvish dialect, learn their mannerisms, dress as they do, and live out
in the woods and become one with nature. Sounds like the good life to
me! :P

I'm sorry, but people who take Gor seriously are on a one-way trip to
the funny farm. At least they need to get out more.

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Goober King
Would find this all quite humorous if it wasn't so sad...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 17, 2000, 1:29am

No, you will not be flamed. I will just sit back and let you flame me
instead - like you are currently doing.

It's *so* great to be compared to Nazi Germany in the 40's. I can't believe
how naive that comparison is.

Anyway, you are entitled to your beliefs, as I am mine. Don't let anyone
tell you what to believe.

Believe what you believe.

I will do the same, ok?

Very good, thank you.

-Locodarwin



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Dec 17, 2000, 1:31am

By the way, the site you posted is considered one of the more naive sites in
existence.

-Locodarwin


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Dec 17, 2000, 1:36am

Lifestylers do not live in a fantasy world.

~sigh~

Look, it's ok. I will not speak any more of it. It is obvious everyone
here already has preconceived notions of the Gorean Lifestyle. But I will
tell you, it truly saddens me, a real, live person, to be treated as if his
entire being was some game of "follow the leader," Jim Jones hypocrisy.

Let me be me, I'll let you be you - and I'll not condemn your life choices,
ok? How about that idea?

-Locodarwin


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Dec 17, 2000, 2:34am

Well and I sure as hell dont believe in Gor, but some ppl could say
Christianity is based on a work of Fiction and people adopted it as a
way of religion.
Case is, they (Christians) are the majority.
Scenario is, as a majority, and moraly we believe salvery is wrong,
(which it is).
If slavery was a natural occuring thing, then all other animals on the
plant would do it.
I cant quote what Goreans believe cause i havent read up on it.
But right or wrong... I dont like it. I dont believe men or women should
be sworn to anyone service sexually or physically in any way.

and If I believe it, you all should too

Anyhow, have a good night

Z!

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Chris Waddell
dmonix at home.com
www.dmonix.net

Dec 17, 2000, 4:20pm

1) Christians are the majority? You're speaking of the United States,
correct? Because in the world Christians are hardly the majority. Even in
the United States....I'm not so sure Christians are the majority anymore.

2) Christians kept slaves - or did you not notice the large number of
African Americans here in the States? And do you think it was Christianity
that abolished the kind of slavery that existed here? I would be interested
in hearing your answer - knowing the answer THOROUGHLY myself. Try not to
sound too naive when you answer this one.

3) You stated: "Morally we believe slavery is wrong" (edited to correct
typos). Well, morality is not a constant, my friend. I am sure there are
plenty of things YOU do that many would consider morally wrong.

4) You stated: "Christianity is based on a work of fiction." That's
funny - I think the vast majority of Christians would disagree.

5) You seem to be equating Gor with religion. That's yet another
misconception that I tire of having to counter.

6) "If slavery was a natural occuring thing, then all other animals on the
planet would do it." You must be asleep or something - most mammals,
especially primates, are MUCH more brutal when it comes to capturing and
"enslaving" other hapless members of the species. I would refer you to the
whole baboon social system before you start to sound uneducated. The
difference? The Gorean lifestyle is based on consent. Try that in other
areas of the animal kingdom.

7) "I cant quote what Goreans believe cause i havent read up on it." I can
see that. Yet you see fit to judge it before you even study it. I wonder
if you do that with everything else....

8) "But right or wrong... I dont like it." Now there's something you said
that makes sense. Right or wrong, nobody HAS to like it. Good thing for
freedom of speech, eh? In some other countries, you might not even have the
right to present your disagreements in public.

9) "and If I believe it, you all should too." I assume this is sarcasm. I
would not like to believe it isn't.

The kind of slavery Goreans practice in real life is not the same stuff that
existed in the history of the United States. Again, I point out that it is
based on consent. It is not cruel and uncaring. It is a kind of
relationship that is based on trust, and the natural differences between
dominant people and submissive people. And it is very natural - if you
study your history. Perhaps it is the word "slavery" that you can't get
past - because I admit on the surface it doesn't sound right. However,
slavery was always an institution - and we'd probably still have legal
non-consent slavery in the states if we had the same sort of economic
structure that existed before the civil war.

-Locodarwin


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