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World Theft.. more to come... // Communityjohn viperDec 15, 2000, 2:45am
Sadly, after hearing things from Just In himself, I disagree with my message as well.
Too bad that such a great person can become so greedy... _________________________ John Viper http://www.jtsoft.net "Microsoft C# - so 'Sharp', it'll poke your butt over to Java so fast you wont know what crashed!" - Aaron Bockover [View Quote] nornnyDec 15, 2000, 9:49am
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C06663.BDDDD080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not a world owner or anything, but isn't world owner rights = different in each world, as the rights the world owner has and gives is = determined on what he or she wants? Maybe it is just giving rights, but = it's just some food that came out of my head for thought. :) Consequently though, we all should've learned now never to trust anyone = with rights. :) *wink* Nornny [View Quote] Leo :) aka BinaryBud [View Quote] Nornny PS, if anyone says here that THIS post (not my other ones in this = thread) are hippocritical, I'd like you all to know that I'm an addicted = basher. :P I carry a rock in my pocket just for the occasion. Btw, this = is in response to Just In's comment, but this post is not one in favor = of his comments, even though I might or might not be. :) Just wanted to = get it straight before I get tarred and feathered myself. :) [View Quote] Why is it that you people all want to believe the misinformation = fed to you by people who are at best 3rd parties, and at worst, constant = complainers? Why is it that you want to take the side of someone who = relishes going around in an avatar that carries a gun and happily = promotes WAR as her favorite world? May I suggest, get on the side of those that promote creativity, = and praise good works when praise is due, and disregard the propoganda = machine touted by those that promote destruction and negativity. [View Quote] Holistic1=20 =20 Plexdectomy =3D an operation where a piece of plexiglass is = inserted into the lower intestine, so when you have your head up your = ass, you can see where you are going.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C06663.BDDDD080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm not a world owner or anything, but isn't world = owner=20 rights different in each world, as the rights the world owner has and = gives is=20 determined on what he or she wants? Maybe it is just giving rights, but = it's=20 just some food that came out of my head for thought. :)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Consequently though, we all should've learned now = never to=20 trust anyone with rights. :) *wink*</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Nornny</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"binarybud" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:lmauk at traverse.net">lmauk at traverse.net</A>> wrote in = message=20 <A=20 = href=3D"news:3a3928c9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a3928c9$1 at server1= ..Activeworlds.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WRONG!! this is not a = personal=20 squable...... this issue is about World Owner = rights!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Leo :) aka = BinaryBud</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"nornny" <<A = href=3D"mailto:Nornny at snet.net">Nornny at snet.net</A>>=20 [View Quote] objects, they belong to you... well sir, you are in sad need of = a=20 Plexdectomy. In issence you were employed by the world = owner to=20 assist in creating a specific environment. Thus you were, = in fact,=20 employed by said world owner and as such, all creations belong = to the=20 world owner. What you are trying to have us believe would = be the=20 same thing as Roland owning all of the programs that he has = written=20 while an employee of AW. Son, if I were you, I would close = up=20 shop, apologize to those people whom you crossed and grow = up. You=20 are a talentd builder, but don't be an ass. You're = wrong. =20 You were paid with the things (programs, citizenships etc) that = you=20 requested and received in lieu of payment. (Which was NOT = offered to=20 begin with).=20 <P>Just my .002=20 <P>Holistic1 <BR> =20 <P>Plexdectomy =3D an operation where a piece of plexiglass is = inserted=20 into the lower intestine, so when you have your head up your = ass, you=20 can see where you are going. <BR> =20 <P><FONT=20 size=3D2></FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQ= UOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C06663.BDDDD080-- paulDec 24, 2000, 9:32pm
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------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C06DCF.265534B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if non-monetary value was agreed to between the to parties in exchage = for objects then that would be a binding barter agreement and the world = owner would own (at least the rights) to use those objects. Paul [View Quote] Holistic1=20 =20 Plexdectomy =3D an operation where a piece of plexiglass is inserted = into the lower intestine, so when you have your head up your ass, you = can see where you are going.=20 =20 [View Quote] The web page criticising me has too many errors, and I prefer to = ignore such=20 attacks.=20 I didn't vandelise anything, I sought to protect my own works.=20 There was never any agreement that I was "giving" my work to anyone. = When I=20 give something away, or sell it, I put that in writing (as I did = with the=20 Alpha World objects I made).=20 The NewYork world owner and I had a fight over a petty issue that = got=20 inflamed into something horrible. I apologised for that, and tried = for=20 months to fix it - obviously my negotiating skills leave a lot to be = desired. I have many failings and for that I am sorry.=20 When I saw all was lost in the friendship with the NewYork world = owner I=20 went and got a new world with some of my friends so that I could = finish the=20 project I set out to achieve, using my own objects, my own textures, = my own=20 pictures, and my own building. VR Times Square was and is built = solely and=20 wholey by myself with the sweat of my own brow and by no other = person. Any=20 duplication of that work can only be done with my approval and = endorsement,=20 and by giving me due credit for the work. If someone goes against = this,=20 well, too bad *sniff*, going to court to defend my "rights" is = just too=20 much drama and too expensive. I would only consider doing that if I = stood=20 to lose money, and that is not the case. Furthermore, once I've = made a=20 friend I always do my best to keep that friendship and never do = anything to=20 upset that. Sometimes, that just isn't possible.=20 I'm not in the least surprised that the NewYork world owner is angry = at what=20 has eventuated. I asked her many times to come resolve things with = me to=20 avoid it. And even when it reached the point where I decided to = forge ahead=20 in a world I shared ownership of - I offered her the opportunity to = join the=20 team at no cost or loss to her, and with everything to gain. I'm = very sorry=20 we couldn't work together.=20 I invite you all to come join us in Broadway... a great world that = combines the talents of some very special and talented people. The = world is=20 now open to public building and I would be honoured if you came to = build,=20 or just to hang out with friends and catch some sites.=20 As time goes on we will be adding even more special features, not to = mention=20 landmarks that many are all familiar with. And this year's new = years event=20 will be boosted with even more dazzling effects than last year, = along with=20 many hosts to ensure everyone has a great time!=20 Best wishes to all, Justin ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C06DCF.265534B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if non-monetary value was agreed to = between the to=20 parties in exchage for objects then that would be a binding barter = agreement and=20 the world owner would own (at least the rights) to use those=20 objects.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"holistic1" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:tkafader at pattan.k12.pa.us">tkafader at pattan.k12.pa.us</A>&g= t;=20 [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C06DCF.265534B0-- paulDec 24, 2000, 9:42pm
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------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C06DD0.9EF0F2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a bit extreme (quote: No matter what took place at any time after = that, the objects and environment that was created still belongs to the = world owner.. UNLESS YOU can PROVE ownership of said objects before = starting the project.=20 ). =20 He created the objects so he does have rights to them. my policy on my = objects is I will sell the at a respectable cost for you to use, But the = are My objects. Now I will see Total rights to you for the objects but = it's gonna cost you much more. In the 1st case I may use thost objects = too or sell them to others, but I would never duplicate a world design. Paul [View Quote] No I never asked for, nor recieved payment for any of the creations = I did in NewYork. I was not "employed" nor "rewarded" nor given = anything in exchange for creating my work in NewYork. If anything the = world owner was a constant source of frustration and hindered me in=20 Ok, let see if I can get this correct then. You were INVITED into = a world to create an environment (New York City). You accepted. = Whether it was for payment or not still doesn't matter. It WASN'T your = world. You knew that going in. You were asked and you accepted or, you = asked and your were allowed to create. Period. No matter what took = place at any time after that, the objects and environment that was = created still belongs to the world owner.. UNLESS YOU can PROVE = ownership of said objects before starting the project.=20 =20 =20 the process of creating what I wanted done. That I showed the = patience that I did show is a testament to my endurance, and to be = treated how I am being treated now defies my understanding.=20 Are you more upset over how you were treated while working in the = world? or that people are questioning your position now?=20 Why is it that you people all want to believe the misinformation = fed to you by people who are at best 3rd parties, and at worst, constant = complainers? Why is it that you want to take the side of someone who = relishes going around in an avatar that carries a gun and happily = promotes WAR as her favorite world?=20 What do you expect? All of this comes out of the blue with two = worlds close enough to be twins. If you have proof of what "you say" = has taken place, the show it. And what does what one chooses to wear as = an avatar have to do with it? Remember all the bull about the Gor = worlds? and the folks who populate them? Gee, I wonder if you are anyone = else stopped being friends or at least aquaintances with them just = because of their world affiliations=20 May I suggest, get on the side of those that promote creativity, = and praise good works when praise is due, and disregard the propoganda = machine touted by those that promote destruction and negativity.=20 I do promote creativity and I praise good work when I see it. = (Especially considering that most everyones is better than anything I = do). And I have recognized yours, just reread my last post. As far as = propoganda goes, prove thats what it is, otherwise, all we have to go = on is two environments, one older than the other, and that sir, speaks = for itself.=20 Holistic1=20 =20 =20 =20 [View Quote] Let me see if I have this straight, You helped build New York. = you requested certain programs, privileges, citizenships etc from the = world owner in order to perform the tasks of creating objects, building = etc. Now you claim that because you created those objects, they belong = to you... well sir, you are in sad need of a Plexdectomy. In issence = you were employed by the world owner to assist in creating a specific = environment. Thus you were, in fact, employed by said world owner and = as such, all creations belong to the world owner. What you are trying = to have us believe would be the same thing as Roland owning all of the = programs that he has written while an employee of AW. Son, if I were = you, I would close up shop, apologize to those people whom you crossed = and grow up. You are a talentd builder, but don't be an ass. You're = wrong. You were paid with the things (programs, citizenships etc) that = you requested and received in lieu of payment. (Which was NOT offered to = begin with).=20 Just my .002=20 Holistic1=20 =20 Plexdectomy =3D an operation where a piece of plexiglass is = inserted into the lower intestine, so when you have your head up your = ass, you can see where you are going.=20 =20 [View Quote] The web page criticising me has too many errors, and I prefer to = ignore such=20 attacks.=20 I didn't vandelise anything, I sought to protect my own works.=20 There was never any agreement that I was "giving" my work to = anyone. When I=20 give something away, or sell it, I put that in writing (as I did = with the=20 Alpha World objects I made).=20 The NewYork world owner and I had a fight over a petty issue = that got=20 inflamed into something horrible. I apologised for that, and = tried for=20 months to fix it - obviously my negotiating skills leave a lot = to be=20 desired. I have many failings and for that I am sorry.=20 When I saw all was lost in the friendship with the NewYork world = owner I=20 went and got a new world with some of my friends so that I could = finish the=20 project I set out to achieve, using my own objects, my own = textures, my own=20 pictures, and my own building. VR Times Square was and is built = solely and=20 wholey by myself with the sweat of my own brow and by no other = person. Any=20 duplication of that work can only be done with my approval and = endorsement,=20 and by giving me due credit for the work. If someone goes = against this,=20 well, too bad *sniff*, going to court to defend my "rights" = is just too=20 much drama and too expensive. I would only consider doing that = if I stood=20 to lose money, and that is not the case. Furthermore, once I've = made a=20 friend I always do my best to keep that friendship and never do = anything to=20 upset that. Sometimes, that just isn't possible.=20 I'm not in the least surprised that the NewYork world owner is = angry at what=20 has eventuated. I asked her many times to come resolve things = with me to=20 avoid it. And even when it reached the point where I decided to = forge ahead=20 in a world I shared ownership of - I offered her the opportunity = to join the=20 team at no cost or loss to her, and with everything to gain. = I'm very sorry=20 we couldn't work together.=20 I invite you all to come join us in Broadway... a great world = that=20 combines the talents of some very special and talented people. = The world is=20 now open to public building and I would be honoured if you came = to build,=20 or just to hang out with friends and catch some sites.=20 As time goes on we will be adding even more special features, = not to mention=20 landmarks that many are all familiar with. And this year's new = years event=20 will be boosted with even more dazzling effects than last year, = along with=20 many hosts to ensure everyone has a great time!=20 Best wishes to all, Justin ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C06DD0.9EF0F2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>That's a bit extreme (quote: No matter what took place at any time = after=20 that, the objects and environment that was created still belongs to the = world=20 owner.. UNLESS YOU can PROVE ownership of said objects before starting = the=20 project. <BR>). </DIV> <DIV>He created the objects so he does have rights to them. my = policy on=20 my objects is I will sell the at a respectable cost for you to use, But = the are=20 My objects. Now I will see Total rights to you for the objects but = it's=20 gonna cost you much more. In the 1st case I may use thost objects too or = sell=20 them to others, but I would never duplicate a world design.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"holistic1" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:tkafader at ptdprolog.net">tkafader at ptdprolog.net</A>> = wrote in=20 message <A=20 = href=3D"news:3A36CD14.756021AE at ptdprolog.net">news:3A36CD14.756021AE at ptdp= rolog.net</A>...</DIV> =20 [View Quote] anything the world owner was a constant source of frustration and = hindered=20 me in</FONT><FONT size=3D-1></FONT>=20 <P>Ok, let see if I can get this correct then. You were = INVITED=20 into a world to create an environment (New York City). You=20 accepted. Whether it was for payment or not still doesn't=20 matter. It WASN'T your world. You knew that going = in. You=20 were asked and you accepted or, you asked and your were allowed to=20 create. Period. No matter what took place at any time = after=20 that, the objects and environment that was created still belongs to = the=20 world owner.. UNLESS YOU can PROVE ownership of said objects before = starting=20 the project. <BR><FONT size=3D-1></FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D-1></FONT> <FONT size=3D-1></FONT>=20 <P><FONT size=3D-1>the process of creating what I wanted done. = That I=20 showed the patience that I did show is a testament to my endurance, = and to=20 be treated how I am being treated now defies my = understanding.</FONT>=20 <P>Are you more upset over how you were treated while working in the = world?=20 or that people are questioning your position now? = <BR> <FONT=20 size=3D-1>Why is it that you people all want to believe the = misinformation fed=20 to you by people who are at best 3rd parties, and at worst, constant = complainers? Why is it that you want to take the side of = someone who=20 relishes going around in an avatar that carries a gun and happily = promotes=20 WAR as her favorite world?</FONT><FONT size=3D-1></FONT>=20 <P>What do you expect? All of this comes out of the blue with = two=20 worlds close enough to be twins. If you have proof of what = "you say"=20 has taken place, the show it. And what does what one chooses = to wear=20 as an avatar have to do with it? Remember all the bull about = the Gor=20 worlds? and the folks who populate them? Gee, I wonder if you are = anyone=20 else stopped being friends or at least aquaintances with them just = because=20 of their world affiliations <BR><FONT size=3D-1></FONT> <FONT = size=3D-1>May=20 I suggest, get on the side of those that promote creativity, and = praise good=20 works when praise is due, and disregard the propoganda machine = touted by=20 those that promote destruction and negativity.</FONT><FONT = size=3D-1></FONT>=20 <P>I do promote creativity and I praise good work when I see it. = (Especially=20 considering that most everyones is better than anything I do). = And I=20 have recognized yours, just reread my last post. As far as = propoganda=20 goes, prove thats what it is, otherwise, all we have to go on = is two=20 environments, one older than the other, and that sir, speaks for = itself.=20 <P>Holistic1 <BR> <BR> <BR><FONT size=3D-1></FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D-1></FONT> "holistic1" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:tkafader at pattan.k12.pa.us">tkafader at pattan.k12.pa.us</A>&g= t;=20 [View Quote] <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Let=20 me see if I have this straight, You helped build New = York. you=20 requested certain programs, privileges, citizenships etc from the = world=20 owner in order to perform the tasks of creating objects, = building=20 etc. Now you claim that because you created those objects, = they=20 belong to you... well sir, you are in sad need of a = Plexdectomy. In=20 issence you were employed by the world owner to assist in creating = a=20 specific environment. Thus you were, in fact, employed by = said world=20 owner and as such, all creations belong to the world owner. = What you=20 are trying to have us believe would be the same thing as Roland = owning all=20 of the programs that he has written while an employee of AW. = Son, if=20 I were you, I would close up shop, apologize to those people whom = you=20 crossed and grow up. You are a talentd builder, but don't be = an=20 ass. You're wrong. You were paid with the things = (programs,=20 citizenships etc) that you requested and received in lieu of = payment.=20 (Which was NOT offered to begin with).=20 <P>Just my .002=20 <P>Holistic1 <BR> =20 <P>Plexdectomy =3D an operation where a piece of plexiglass is = inserted into=20 the lower intestine, so when you have your head up your ass, you = can see=20 where you are going. <BR> =20 [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C06DD0.9EF0F2F0-- holistic1Dec 25, 2000, 12:54pm
paul, this wasn't a purhase of commercial objects. And if I hire you
to create a custom object for me, it is mine. Not yours. Holistic1 PS Lets not open this up again. [View Quote] > That's a bit extreme (quote: No matter what took place at any time > after that, the objects and environment that was created still belongs > to the world owner.. UNLESS YOU can PROVE ownership of said objects > before starting the project. > ).He created the objects so he does have rights to them. my policy on > my objects is I will sell the at a respectable cost for you to use, > But the are My objects. Now I will see Total rights to you for the > objects but it's gonna cost you much more. In the 1st case I may use > thost objects too or sell them to others, but I would never duplicate > a world design. Paul > [View Quote] |
