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Jul 28, 2003, 9:56pm

this is really messed up... Lee Roberts is evil... I was trying to get into
his cracked universe so I could save chatlogs of who was there but noo...
someone in AW Inc told him that P r D o was onto him... this is the most
twisted story ever:
Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message
conversation.



KoL says:

hey

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

hi

KoL says:

do you have 3.1 browser? I need it to run my uni

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no

KoL says:

dammn

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i have one, but calpantera told me to never use it...

KoL says:

plz give me it ;/

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no

KoL says:

some friend you are

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

LOL

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

really

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you prdo will never learn >.<

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i was told today by someone who works for AW

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

that a customs aide bot picked up

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

that u was either going to find my friends

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

and act like your my friend ?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

ehhh. some prdo

KoL says:

?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

You heard me kol, someone who works for AWI told me that you was spying on
me

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

and pretending to be my friend

KoL says:

wtf

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

to TRY to get me banned

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

heck, you should not chat in AW worlds

KoL says:

who told you this

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you'll never know that someone is spying whahaha btw

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Da Real Mike does have a cit

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Customs Aide bot in Alpha world

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

and trust me, trust me kol, we wont go easy on you now

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

So kol, still want that cracked browser??? cos i might just tell calpantera

KoL says:

yes

KoL says:

give me it

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you should not be spying on me

KoL says:

damn awik

KoL says:

awi*

KoL says:

working agansit us

KoL says:

wtt

KoL says:

wtf*

KoL says:

well AW Inc is gonna get a ear full cuz of this

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

ha

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

why would they, you work for them or something?

KoL says:

we give them information about cracked unis and aw hackers... people like
ATA

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

hahahahah

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

dont make me laugh

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

LMFAO

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

You just asked for the browser

KoL says:

yes so I can enter the cracked universe

KoL says:

your cracked unis

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

my cracked unis?? wtf?

KoL says:

yes

KoL says:

not that stupid

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i'm gonna consider reporting you...

KoL says:

go ahead I didn't do anything

KoL says:

I told awi that I have universe tools you gave me

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

haha

KoL says:

they wanted it... to check it out

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

why accept then? fool

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

jeez you don't give up do you.... especially WHEN many people are ON your
case

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

and if i find my cit gets disabled by you.. a kid

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i will sue you

KoL says:

LOL

KoL says:

for what? finding out you host cracked unis?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

ha, why does AW keep my cit active

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

KoL says:

Im looking up IPs for da-genius.sytes.net

KoL says:

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

have fun with that, i consider that illegal

KoL says:

nope.. its purely legal

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

your not aloud to search for ips through a HOST.

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no,

KoL says:

want a bet?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Especially when all that has been changed

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

so fools like u dont find it

KoL says:

watch me

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

go ahead

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Search for it

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

then we will gain access to YOUR ip

KoL says:

then Im reporting them to their IP =O

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Good heavens what will happen you then

KoL says:

LOL

KoL says:

I dont care if you hack me

KoL says:

cuz I have everything saved

KoL says:

=D

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no, i wont, i think matt wants you

KoL says:

matt is my friend actually

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you wish

KoL says:

LOL

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Do you know prdo?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

well

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

theres a insider

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

giving "us"

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

the evidence we need

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

against u, and to destroy u

KoL says:

hmm?

KoL says:

lol

KoL says:

threating me eh

KoL says:

you cant hack

KoL says:

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no course not

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i would NEVER dream of hacking...

KoL says:

it would be a very bad idea to hack me

KoL says:

I would have you report you =O

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

why WOULD i want to hack a kid?

KoL says:

lol im nearly as old as you

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

when i could easyly GET a kid banned from AW

KoL says:

lol

KoL says:

you cannot

KoL says:

get

KoL says:

me

KoL says:

banned

KoL says:

you are dumb? you have NO reason

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

hehe i was thinking EXACTLY the same as that

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

why am i not banned then

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you still have NOT explained to me

KoL says:

you explain to me how you'll get me banned

KoL says:

you cannot

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Simple

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i got your account disabled before

KoL says:

lol

KoL says:

how was that?

KoL says:

hacking?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

GET your facts right, i thought you said I CANT hack

KoL says:

I was kidding

KoL says:

being sacastic

KoL says:

sarcastic

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

SORRY you can not be "Sarcastic on msn"

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i've been watching you...

KoL says:

lol

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you are too dumb.. to be in prdo... sorry man

KoL says:

Ive been watching you too

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

HAHAH not likely

KoL says:

ive already entered your universe

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

even if yuo have, u wont get any evidence, since a few insiders tell me
everything

KoL says:

thanks to a amyonous tipper

KoL says:

lol their is 3 witnesses

KoL says:

saved chatlogs

KoL says:

you bite me I'll bite back

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

on msn? rofllmao

KoL says:

in the cracked unniverse

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

dont make me cry

KoL says:

=O

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

I have no idea how you find this out ? i have not run a uni for over 5
months

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

Fake Rumours i see.... im popular i know... but... thats not the point

KoL says:

lol

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

these rumours wil pay the price

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

and you, well your fucking with everyone

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

including Xeroer

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

oh btw, mike is a cit

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

whahahah

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

you might wanna check your prdo entrance for BOTS LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

KoL says:

hmm

KoL says:

bots aren't enabled in that world

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

they arent?? lmfao

KoL says:

KoL says:

you dont scare me... read newsgroups for a story about Lee Roberts

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

hahahah made me even more popular

KoL says:

just kidding

KoL says:

but seriously... I wanteed to be your friend.. but now you think im spying
on you

KoL says:

if I wanted to get you id have others working on making you say shit

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

hahah i don't think so

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i trust no one except the ATA themselfs *wink* *wink*

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

woah at usefull info lmao

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

looks like PRDO will be dead in no time wooohoooo

KoL says:

trying to hack me?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

nah

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

thats low

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

i only do that TO protect my hosts like da-genius for alarm purposes, that
has been closed down by me, and now there is a new host, you really should
not tell me this use ful info

KoL says:

why will P r D o be dead eh?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

cos i think most of the people help us, but you don't know it

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

lmfao

KoL says:

lol

KoL says:

who is in P r D o then?

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

ahh that would be telling

KoL says:

ROFL

KoL says:

you dont have a clue

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

< has more than one cit, of course, i might be in it

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

lets see *checks logs*

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

You said, Da Real Mike does not have a citizen anymore

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

You said

KoL says:

MR VISUALBASIC

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

KoL: dont ask them directly.. try and get along with them.. be their friends
so to speak... then like 3 days later ask them if they know any cracked
universes

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

whaha loser

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

we have more than 2 people in there sooo... byebye prdo

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

KoL: ask the following people: Hunt, Lee R, and Da real mike about cracked
universes

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

jeez

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

thats just low man

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

HAHAHA

KoL says:

your low

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

no im high

KoL says:

I thought mr visualbasic was some friend

KoL says:

KoL says:

thats fucked up

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

whos mrvb?

KoL says:

= at

KoL says:

how else could of you known

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

GiantsFan86:

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

whahaha

KoL says:

O.O

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

like i say

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

we have more than one person

KoL says:

jeezus

KoL says:

hes fake too??

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

wtf, you think im going to say ?

KoL says:

omfg

KoL says:

your pissing me off well

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

what is KOL going to do? beat me up lmfao

KoL says:

no

KoL says:

im placing a lawsuit now

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

HAHAH

KoL says:

I need your isp tho

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

ha not likely

KoL says:

ugh ;/

²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:

whats my real name then ? lmfao

Jul 28, 2003, 10:45pm

i didnt read the whole convo , but lee roberts is a retarded kid who lives
in his own world and thinks AWI staff are his friends

Jul 28, 2003, 10:47pm

Kol whats your point here? Your own post makes you look guilty of trying to
aquire a hacked browser, and possession makes you just as illegal.
Also you used the same words I used against you when I said you are
threatening me <snip> KoL says:threating me eh>end of snip<
I do not see you proving a valid point here against Lee Roberts.
What I do see is you admit you're friends with M A T T and you are nothing
but a harrassing wanna-be fool.
Now I see why Rowey and Whitestar banned you from A!!CT and to think I
defended you and lost both of them as CTs and also lost two good friends as
well.
And you still failed to post your post that clears my name and my path's
name as an 'object thief' ... 'path stealer'...or illegal OP or that I have
limited licenses for the content that is on my path server..you also failed
to admit the path is SEVERAL paths linked to one and whats in one world is
not nessisarly on the path in another world.
Thats what using a PHP? script is all about my friend. The path in A!!CT is
not the commercial path. In A!!CT we can have one object or texture set that
loads there, but not load in another world.
Before you play COPs and Robbers, you'd better do a little research about
how paths and php? scripts work and also realise some of us do aquire
licenses that permit us legal use of materials from the copy-right holders.
I've had my say..thanks for listening.
MrBruce
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Jul 28, 2003, 10:55pm

shut the fuck up bruce

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Jul 28, 2003, 11:47pm

hmmmmmmmm... i see
hmmmmmm... ok
mmmmm.. now i understand........

hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
..........yes but what about KoL?
he harasses everyone... yes he does, he harased me, and threatened to hack
me if i didnt change my e-mail.
also i heard from people as well AS you that sometime within July. u and
that noob MATT! are going to mess up activeworlds? how are you going to do
that? with your imagination?? wel excuse me. you both are a bunch of newbie
script phonies. and i have knowledge i mean on activeworlds since september
of 1996, no way in hell you say you know more that me.

hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm

yes i understand your a complete moron KoL.

GET off AW. take MATT with, GIVE US ALL A FRIGGIN BREAK!

NUF said,

hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm
hmmm...... continue.....
hmmmmm.mmhmmm




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Jul 29, 2003, 12:41am

Wow... you really don't have a life.

-Joe

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Jul 29, 2003, 2:25am

LMFAO you post 16 Kb of crap and this is your intelligent response to me?.
e-nuf said from me you proved my point.
MrBruce
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Jul 29, 2003, 3:18am

umm mp3... your an idiot.. I threaten you cuz you started harasses me and
saying you made awhack... your n00b... There is rumors that im on matts
side...

bull... I've been talking to matt and some others trying to get information
out of them so I can report to aw... people still think that I support
matt... As I said in Clearing thing up post:

"I posted in newsgroups awhile ago the scoop with P r D o..... seems nobody
understood...

P r D o is not an "illegal" group as some still like to think... P r D o is
a team that goes after aw hackers, cracked universes, and basically...
anybody or any group that does illegal things..

on another note... people are giving us a hard time thinking that we're too
n00b and not skillfully to do this... well first off this is the 2nd org in
aw to do this stuff so its not really "n00b".... secondly we've been doing
this for 4 months now and we haven't got screwed up yet o.o.... hope it
stays that way =O"

I dont support that freaking loser that wastes his time harasses people on
the internet... I'm sure he'll read this and block me on msn now... finally
got it through your head now that I said it....

as for bruce... dont care about you anymore... Paramount and RIAA will like
to talk to your bullcrap mouth... I'm not reporting you because I don't want
to get in your mess...

and joeman? I dont have a life... neither do you. anybody that uses this
software has no life.

Matt told me on msn just now:

"M a t t says:
I just love how everyone hates u

M a t t says:

I didn't have to do a thing

M a t t says:

You try to do good for AW

M a t t says:

Then they turn around and bite you in the ass and flame you

M a t t says:

Telling you to leave AW"



I'm not leaving AW mp3... I'm starting a 3d Modeling business and not
leaving because some kid doesn't like me.. he can cram it up his ass...

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Jul 29, 2003, 3:41am

Kol......in the words of Alphabit Phalpha "*Thwack!*"
Evolve my friend.


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Jul 29, 2003, 3:42am

btw....when I said "my friend" I didnt mean it literally.....just thought
you'd like to know before you go ape shit again :P


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Jul 29, 2003, 4:10am

Deffinition of K-o-l........ 'Keeps On Losing' ......LMAO-Real Hard It
Hurts!
MrBruce
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Jul 29, 2003, 7:55am

I do not think having a cracked universe makes anyone evil. Some people
might use those for testing their objects or bot in.
To me it also sounded that you was trying to get one, so if you had recived
it; according to youself, would you have become evil then ?
I do not actually see the harm with cracked universes as long as they are
kept private, it is not taking away anything from AW. I am quite sure that
these same people who has these not legal universes still have their worlds
and citz in AW ( or other universes).

I guess the same thing with some cracked softwares. For example, if a
software cost 2000$, there is no way I could afford it, so if I use a
cracked software, the company will not get a penny, if I cannot afford to
buy it, they will not get a penny; so logically no difference. Then if a
software cost 20$ I can afford it, so if I used a crack for that they would
loose money. No I do not expect everyone to understand this logic lol

Drac
kol <Fatsnail65 at hotmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f25b82a$2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> this is really messed up... Lee Roberts is evil... I was trying to get
into
> his cracked universe so I could save chatlogs of who was there but noo...
> someone in AW Inc told him that P r D o was onto him... this is the most
> twisted story ever:
> Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message
> conversation.
>
>
>
> KoL says:
>
> hey
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> hi
>
> KoL says:
>
> do you have 3.1 browser? I need it to run my uni
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no
>
> KoL says:
>
> dammn
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i have one, but calpantera told me to never use it...
>
> KoL says:
>
> plz give me it ;/
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no
>
> KoL says:
>
> some friend you are
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> LOL
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> really
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you prdo will never learn >.<
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i was told today by someone who works for AW
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> that a customs aide bot picked up
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> that u was either going to find my friends
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> and act like your my friend ?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> ehhh. some prdo
>
> KoL says:
>
> ?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> You heard me kol, someone who works for AWI told me that you was spying on
> me
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> and pretending to be my friend
>
> KoL says:
>
> wtf
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> to TRY to get me banned
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> heck, you should not chat in AW worlds
>
> KoL says:
>
> who told you this
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you'll never know that someone is spying whahaha btw
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Da Real Mike does have a cit
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Customs Aide bot in Alpha world
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> and trust me, trust me kol, we wont go easy on you now
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> So kol, still want that cracked browser??? cos i might just tell
calpantera
>
> KoL says:
>
> yes
>
> KoL says:
>
> give me it
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you should not be spying on me
>
> KoL says:
>
> damn awik
>
> KoL says:
>
> awi*
>
> KoL says:
>
> working agansit us
>
> KoL says:
>
> wtt
>
> KoL says:
>
> wtf*
>
> KoL says:
>
> well AW Inc is gonna get a ear full cuz of this
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> ha
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> why would they, you work for them or something?
>
> KoL says:
>
> we give them information about cracked unis and aw hackers... people like
> ATA
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> hahahahah
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> dont make me laugh
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> LMFAO
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> You just asked for the browser
>
> KoL says:
>
> yes so I can enter the cracked universe
>
> KoL says:
>
> your cracked unis
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> my cracked unis?? wtf?
>
> KoL says:
>
> yes
>
> KoL says:
>
> not that stupid
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i'm gonna consider reporting you...
>
> KoL says:
>
> go ahead I didn't do anything
>
> KoL says:
>
> I told awi that I have universe tools you gave me
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> haha
>
> KoL says:
>
> they wanted it... to check it out
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> why accept then? fool
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> jeez you don't give up do you.... especially WHEN many people are ON your
> case
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> and if i find my cit gets disabled by you.. a kid
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i will sue you
>
> KoL says:
>
> LOL
>
> KoL says:
>
> for what? finding out you host cracked unis?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> ha, why does AW keep my cit active
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> KoL says:
>
> Im looking up IPs for da-genius.sytes.net
>
> KoL says:
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> have fun with that, i consider that illegal
>
> KoL says:
>
> nope.. its purely legal
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> your not aloud to search for ips through a HOST.
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no,
>
> KoL says:
>
> want a bet?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Especially when all that has been changed
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> so fools like u dont find it
>
> KoL says:
>
> watch me
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> go ahead
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Search for it
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> then we will gain access to YOUR ip
>
> KoL says:
>
> then Im reporting them to their IP =O
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Good heavens what will happen you then
>
> KoL says:
>
> LOL
>
> KoL says:
>
> I dont care if you hack me
>
> KoL says:
>
> cuz I have everything saved
>
> KoL says:
>
> =D
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no, i wont, i think matt wants you
>
> KoL says:
>
> matt is my friend actually
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you wish
>
> KoL says:
>
> LOL
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Do you know prdo?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> well
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> theres a insider
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> giving "us"
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> the evidence we need
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> against u, and to destroy u
>
> KoL says:
>
> hmm?
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol
>
> KoL says:
>
> threating me eh
>
> KoL says:
>
> you cant hack
>
> KoL says:
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no course not
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i would NEVER dream of hacking...
>
> KoL says:
>
> it would be a very bad idea to hack me
>
> KoL says:
>
> I would have you report you =O
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> why WOULD i want to hack a kid?
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol im nearly as old as you
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> when i could easyly GET a kid banned from AW
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol
>
> KoL says:
>
> you cannot
>
> KoL says:
>
> get
>
> KoL says:
>
> me
>
> KoL says:
>
> banned
>
> KoL says:
>
> you are dumb? you have NO reason
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> hehe i was thinking EXACTLY the same as that
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> why am i not banned then
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you still have NOT explained to me
>
> KoL says:
>
> you explain to me how you'll get me banned
>
> KoL says:
>
> you cannot
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Simple
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i got your account disabled before
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol
>
> KoL says:
>
> how was that?
>
> KoL says:
>
> hacking?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> GET your facts right, i thought you said I CANT hack
>
> KoL says:
>
> I was kidding
>
> KoL says:
>
> being sacastic
>
> KoL says:
>
> sarcastic
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> SORRY you can not be "Sarcastic on msn"
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i've been watching you...
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you are too dumb.. to be in prdo... sorry man
>
> KoL says:
>
> Ive been watching you too
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> HAHAH not likely
>
> KoL says:
>
> ive already entered your universe
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> even if yuo have, u wont get any evidence, since a few insiders tell me
> everything
>
> KoL says:
>
> thanks to a amyonous tipper
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol their is 3 witnesses
>
> KoL says:
>
> saved chatlogs
>
> KoL says:
>
> you bite me I'll bite back
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> on msn? rofllmao
>
> KoL says:
>
> in the cracked unniverse
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> dont make me cry
>
> KoL says:
>
> =O
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> I have no idea how you find this out ? i have not run a uni for over 5
> months
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> Fake Rumours i see.... im popular i know... but... thats not the point
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> these rumours wil pay the price
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> and you, well your fucking with everyone
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> including Xeroer
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> oh btw, mike is a cit
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> whahahah
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> you might wanna check your prdo entrance for BOTS LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
>
> KoL says:
>
> hmm
>
> KoL says:
>
> bots aren't enabled in that world
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> they arent?? lmfao
>
> KoL says:
>
> KoL says:
>
> you dont scare me... read newsgroups for a story about Lee Roberts
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> hahahah made me even more popular
>
> KoL says:
>
> just kidding
>
> KoL says:
>
> but seriously... I wanteed to be your friend.. but now you think im spying
> on you
>
> KoL says:
>
> if I wanted to get you id have others working on making you say shit
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> hahah i don't think so
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i trust no one except the ATA themselfs *wink* *wink*
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> woah at usefull info lmao
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> looks like PRDO will be dead in no time wooohoooo
>
> KoL says:
>
> trying to hack me?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> nah
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> thats low
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> i only do that TO protect my hosts like da-genius for alarm purposes, that
> has been closed down by me, and now there is a new host, you really should
> not tell me this use ful info
>
> KoL says:
>
> why will P r D o be dead eh?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> cos i think most of the people help us, but you don't know it
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> lmfao
>
> KoL says:
>
> lol
>
> KoL says:
>
> who is in P r D o then?
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> ahh that would be telling
>
> KoL says:
>
> ROFL
>
> KoL says:
>
> you dont have a clue
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> < has more than one cit, of course, i might be in it
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> lets see *checks logs*
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> You said, Da Real Mike does not have a citizen anymore
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> You said
>
> KoL says:
>
> MR VISUALBASIC
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> KoL: dont ask them directly.. try and get along with them.. be their
friends
> so to speak... then like 3 days later ask them if they know any cracked
> universes
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> whaha loser
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> we have more than 2 people in there sooo... byebye prdo
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> KoL: ask the following people: Hunt, Lee R, and Da real mike about cracked
> universes
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> jeez
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> thats just low man
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> HAHAHA
>
> KoL says:
>
> your low
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> no im high
>
> KoL says:
>
> I thought mr visualbasic was some friend
>
> KoL says:
>
> KoL says:
>
> thats fucked up
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> whos mrvb?
>
> KoL says:
>
> = at
>
> KoL says:
>
> how else could of you known
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> GiantsFan86:
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> whahaha
>
> KoL says:
>
> O.O
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> like i say
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> we have more than one person
>
> KoL says:
>
> jeezus
>
> KoL says:
>
> hes fake too??
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> wtf, you think im going to say ?
>
> KoL says:
>
> omfg
>
> KoL says:
>
> your pissing me off well
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> what is KOL going to do? beat me up lmfao
>
> KoL says:
>
> no
>
> KoL says:
>
> im placing a lawsuit now
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> HAHAH
>
> KoL says:
>
> I need your isp tho
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> ha not likely
>
> KoL says:
>
> ugh ;/
>
> ²ºº³ `Lee Roberts ` ²ºº³ says:
>
> whats my real name then ? lmfao
>
>
>

Jul 29, 2003, 10:19am

Eh, I'm really never on this software, I waste too much time with my friends
;).

-Joe

[View Quote]

Jul 29, 2003, 11:26am

Let's see.. following your logic, if I steal something I can afford that
is bad, but if I steal something I can't afford.. no harm. Kewl, I have had
my eye on a BWM for a long time.

<snip>
I guess the same thing with some cracked softwares. For example, if a
software cost 2000$, there is no way I could afford it, so if I use a
cracked software, the company will not get a penny, if I cannot afford to
buy it, they will not get a penny; so logically no difference. Then if a
software cost 20$ I can afford it, so if I used a crack for that they would
loose money. No I do not expect everyone to understand this logic lol

Drac
<unsnip>

Jul 29, 2003, 11:31am

Nope! If you steal a BMW it will be away from someone, if you crack a
software you cannot afford it will not remove the software from the owner eg
the owner will not even know you have cracked, but if you take car car, he
mosy certainly will.
The big difference is, in cracking a software you could not afford anyhow,
nobody loose anything, but taking someones car, the owner will not have to
buy a new.

Drac
usul 2 <usul2 at comcast.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f267613$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Let's see.. following your logic, if I steal something I can afford that
> is bad, but if I steal something I can't afford.. no harm. Kewl, I have
had
> my eye on a BWM for a long time.
>
> <snip>
> I guess the same thing with some cracked softwares. For example, if a
> software cost 2000$, there is no way I could afford it, so if I use a
> cracked software, the company will not get a penny, if I cannot afford to
> buy it, they will not get a penny; so logically no difference. Then if a
> software cost 20$ I can afford it, so if I used a crack for that they
would
> loose money. No I do not expect everyone to understand this logic lol
>
> Drac
> <unsnip>
>
>

Jul 29, 2003, 11:33am

Well actually if you stole a BWM they would lose money... one less BWM to
sell... did you mean BMW? o_O

"usul 2" <usul2 at comcast.net> wrote this
(news:3f267613$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com) in general.discussion on 29
Jul 2003:

> Let's see.. following your logic, if I steal something I can afford
> that is bad, but if I steal something I can't afford.. no harm. Kewl,
> I have had my eye on a BWM for a long time.
>
> <snip>
> I guess the same thing with some cracked softwares. For example, if a
> software cost 2000$, there is no way I could afford it, so if I use a
> cracked software, the company will not get a penny, if I cannot afford
> to buy it, they will not get a penny; so logically no difference. Then
> if a software cost 20$ I can afford it, so if I used a crack for that
> they would loose money. No I do not expect everyone to understand this
> logic lol
>
> Drac
> <unsnip>
>
>
>

Jul 29, 2003, 11:44am

[View Quote] A BMW is a physical object, if you take the physical object... they lose
the money. If you take a picture of every piece of it and assemble your
own, then it would be similar to software theft. They don't lose money,
but meanwhile you're driving in a BMW with a motor that sounds like ass.

--
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Jul 29, 2003, 12:52pm

excactly my point

Jul 29, 2003, 5:50pm

Depends very much on how you use the software.

If you just use it at home, alone, and do not produce anything
with it, you're right, it even will spread the product arround.

MS Word 5.0 existed in so many pirated copies at home that
everyone asked his boss to buy it for his work in the company.
Without that, MS Word would never have been so popular.


Same for Borland - their products mostly became so well known
because nearly everyone had a pirated turbo pascal at home.

But as soon as you wanted to sell such a program, you needed
a licence or they could have found out that you had it illegaly.


But there are only a few examples like those and only giants
who have lots of money can affort tolerating this.
Often smaller companies invested lots of hours into a really
good product. But people do not want to pay for the products
and use them for free instead. Those small companies might
disappear.


Example : How many people USE AccuTrans and how many OWN it?
I imagine it must be nice for Wyyne to see how many people
like it - but the literally thousands of hours of work he put
into it will never get really payed.


Just because your work can be copied without loss and without
drawing attention, your work has to be subject of piratcy?
If you designed something and someone copies the plans and makes
copies of your work and is able to sell it really cheap (as he
does not have to pay developement) - does the fact that he CAN
copy it lossless rectify that he steals your creative work?


You should really think about the value of the products you use.
A chair, table, car, computer is considered worth buying it
but non-material work like software is not? The work people
put into software is at least as much as the work put into
products you can touch.

I like the idea of free stuff too, you know that - but the legal
owner should be the one who decides about price and licence.
And a long as he does not try to rip people off, I think the user
should accept his decision.



[View Quote]

Jul 29, 2003, 6:12pm

Yes, I am not saying that we should use pirated software, neither that I do
not respect programmers. I just think it is insane that some softwares cost
thousands of dollars, and especially if you do not plan using it, more than
for testing a few time, one would need to be filthy rich to buy it.

The day one start to use a software for making profit, I think one should
pay for it. For example if I had Max and started to sell the objects made
with it.

I rather also support small comapnies. I just a few days ago bought
Milkshape , it was resonable priced 25$.
The day I buy Max for 3000$? is when I have won on lottery or start to sell
stuff I have made with it.

Many freeware products are very good also, like Irfanwiev, so sometimes one
wonder how can it be free and some other , not even so good viewers be
worse.

Drac
ananas <ananas at oct31.de> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f26cfed at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Depends very much on how you use the software.
>
> If you just use it at home, alone, and do not produce anything
> with it, you're right, it even will spread the product arround.
>
> MS Word 5.0 existed in so many pirated copies at home that
> everyone asked his boss to buy it for his work in the company.
> Without that, MS Word would never have been so popular.
>
>
> Same for Borland - their products mostly became so well known
> because nearly everyone had a pirated turbo pascal at home.
>
> But as soon as you wanted to sell such a program, you needed
> a licence or they could have found out that you had it illegaly.
>
>
> But there are only a few examples like those and only giants
> who have lots of money can affort tolerating this.
> Often smaller companies invested lots of hours into a really
> good product. But people do not want to pay for the products
> and use them for free instead. Those small companies might
> disappear.
>
>
> Example : How many people USE AccuTrans and how many OWN it?
> I imagine it must be nice for Wyyne to see how many people
> like it - but the literally thousands of hours of work he put
> into it will never get really payed.
>
>
> Just because your work can be copied without loss and without
> drawing attention, your work has to be subject of piratcy?
> If you designed something and someone copies the plans and makes
> copies of your work and is able to sell it really cheap (as he
> does not have to pay developement) - does the fact that he CAN
> copy it lossless rectify that he steals your creative work?
>
>
> You should really think about the value of the products you use.
> A chair, table, car, computer is considered worth buying it
> but non-material work like software is not? The work people
> put into software is at least as much as the work put into
> products you can touch.
>
> I like the idea of free stuff too, you know that - but the legal
> owner should be the one who decides about price and licence.
> And a long as he does not try to rip people off, I think the user
> should accept his decision.
>
>
>
[View Quote]

Jul 29, 2003, 6:22pm

[View Quote] > I rather also support small comapnies. I just a few days ago bought
> Milkshape , it was resonable priced 25$.
> The day I buy Max for 3000$? is when I have won on lottery or start to sell
> stuff I have made with it.

Anything breaching $75 for one product is often the most pirated
material in existance. IE, 3DS Max, Paint Shop Pro, (the original Flash
studio), Microsoft Office (and the Windows OS).

Most people do not have a problem with paying, it's just when companies
get greedy just because they're pretty much the only people that make
the product so they can charge whatever they want. $3000 for a editing
studio? That's absurd. Maybe if it were motion picture quality, but
why charge all around for something you could sell for $60 to end users
for things like game development?

If AW would lower their universe/galaxy/sol server prices I think they'd
be pleasently surprised at how many more people would start buying them.
There's no reason to charge that much, especially when you have to
host everything yourself. Sure, it was developed, but how many people
are buying them? 3 people? Right.

--
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Jul 29, 2003, 6:36pm

None of this is relevant in a "time and materials" based business world....you gotta pay your employees for making the software...right? Some of that code takes man-years to make.... you have to recoup your costs.

"$3000 for a editing studio? That's absurd."

What's absurd is the fact you made this statement. that is exactly like saying ......20,000 for a car? That's absurd. What car are you talking about? for a Chevy Vega? yea that's absurd.....but for a Hummer V2....naaa it's a great deal...:)

Whether or not you believe it Bowen,... some software is just worth it...:) You also have to consider ALL that it does...not just the features you use..:)

Leo :)

You get what you pay for. and if nobody pays then pretty soon nobody gets anything.





[View Quote]

Jul 29, 2003, 6:46pm

well, I am a supporter of different licenses for different users.
Example users who only use it for own amusment should have a cheaper
license than those making stuff with it for sale

20 000 is much for a car, my car costed 300$ about and has worked ok LOL

Drac
binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f26dad6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> None of this is relevant in a "time and materials" based business
world....you gotta pay your employees for making the software...right?
Some of that code takes man-years to make.... you have to recoup your
costs.
>
> "$3000 for a editing studio? That's absurd."
>
> What's absurd is the fact you made this statement. that is exactly like
saying ......20,000 for a car? That's absurd. What car are you talking
about? for a Chevy Vega? yea that's absurd.....but for a Hummer
V2....naaa it's a great deal...:)
>
> Whether or not you believe it Bowen,... some software is just worth
it...:) You also have to consider ALL that it does...not just the features
you use..:)
>
> Leo :)
>
> You get what you pay for. and if nobody pays then pretty soon nobody
gets anything.
>
>
>
>
>
[View Quote]

Jul 29, 2003, 6:52pm

do you even read others posts?



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Jul 29, 2003, 7:31pm

[View Quote] The lower the price, the more of a consumer base you get. Then you
charge very little for updates (1/5th the original price should be good).

> "$3000 for a editing studio? That's absurd."

OK, and in AWI's case? Very few active clients, where if they
halved the price they might just increase the client base by double (or
more).

> What's absurd is the fact you made this statement. that is exactly
> like saying ......20,000 for a car? That's absurd. What car are
> you talking about? for a Chevy Vega? yea that's absurd.....but
> for a Hummer V2....naaa it's a great deal...:)
>
> Whether or not you believe it Bowen,... some software is just worth
> it...:) You also have to consider ALL that it does...not just the
> features you use..:)

Then, if I'm consider what I use, I want to pay less. Hell, that's what
you do with most consumer products (you pay less based on what you're
using and things are removed from the product accordingly -- like your
car example). Maybe I don't want an air-conditioner or radio.

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Jul 29, 2003, 9:22pm

Yes. My replys might not always fit tho, I know lol

Drac

binarybud <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> kirjoitti
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> do you even read others posts?
>

Jul 29, 2003, 9:27pm

Nice disclaimer

- Mark

Jul 30, 2003, 3:34am

The plot thickens...

Chris

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Jul 30, 2003, 9:18am

I believe this is Count Drac's logic. My mother thinks this is an inovative
way of shopping.

~John

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Jul 30, 2003, 9:24am

*walks about outside AWI with big sign saying "LOWER UNIVERSE PRICES"
meanwhile wondering if some people didn't read bowen's posts... were is
everyone?*

Lol

~John

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