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Jul 23, 2003, 5:32pm

[View Quote] I take that back, you most certainly don't think so as long as you're
the one doing it.

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Jul 23, 2003, 8:32pm

I never meant it as a threat... I dont see it as a threat... how could "I
will report you :))" be a threat? example:

Guy1: I'm going to sue you
MrBruce: AHH!!! OMFG THATS A THREAT!!!! AHH!HHAHAJKH!& at #(#*&$# *melts*
Guy1: Whoa buddy....

Jul 23, 2003, 9:53pm

Whats your point Kol no one is going to sue me, I have not broken any
laws..but slandering me and accusing me of having illegal content on my path
is slander. Your making people steer clear of our services by claiming we're
illgeal.
Next point you claim is we have illgeal content but do not make valid your
claim to me by saying what you label as "illegal"
I am so sick of hearing this bull that we stoled Amegos2's textures and this
bull has been going on now for months starting with Ferrucio and now
and i'll talk to you later about your illegal op and object stealin' I have
better matters to attend, such as asking AW what consequences they have for
OP Object Stealers, and maybe talk to a few modelers about your reputation.
Also, if Amigos2 rngs a bell..=D>>>end of snip<<<<<
My qustion to you Kol is how can i steal my own OP? And as Count Dracula
poited out why are you not attacking Heartfall or Count Dracula's path?
Point is again you "AWTeen morons" are at your shit again about your anti
A!!CT shit, your attacking me personally and we are incuring damages from it
and you know what sonny boy?.... if you think your age makes you immuned to
slander charges..... guess again!!! Because civil and criminal laws are
different and age does not matter in civil suits. Even your parents can be
held responsible in this case if your under 18. Its their job to police your
internet habits and this also holds them accountable!!! As we have already
lost a customer thanks to your false bullshit claims to destroy a world you
morons couldn't afford if your lives depended on it.
Finally its only a matter of time before the word gets out to ALL in AW who
is reponsible for all the attacks against its citizens and its worlds with
these bogus viruses and trojans and the idiots who play like they saved the
community by making an anti-dote to their own malisious software they
created! Sorry fool no cigar some of us are wiser then you and soon my
friend the evidence will be made public and your proxies will no longer save
your asses. So be forwarned.
Wanna play lawyer?..... go ahead...you lose!
MrBruce
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Jul 23, 2003, 9:53pm

I like you both. But you two are just being silly.

Chris
"USENET is antiquated." -Me

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Jul 23, 2003, 9:55pm

If it's the Startrek objects, it's the moron who's selling them that's in
copyright infringement. Not the person who bought them. So as long as
Bruce isn't making you pay to use those objects, then he's perfectly legal
in his use until Paramount sends a Cease and Desist order his way.

Chris

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Jul 23, 2003, 9:56pm

So if he is charging for the object path... well watch out Mr. Bruce. :)

Chris

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Jul 23, 2003, 10:05pm

One last thing to think about, its not just me thats going to be named as a
plantif on the court dockets before all is said and done. Other world owners
have incured damages and dont be surprised if Activeworlds.corp files
damages as well, your hurting the ruputation of their company playing these
pany-any games of "who hacks who" and "whos citizenship can we steal today"
This is illegal!!!!!!!!! and does not matter if your 12, 15 or 72 years
old.... its hurting a companys' well being and they have a right to sue you
for their loses and I think there's 200 citizens who would testifie to that
claim in Aw's defence.
MrBruce

Jul 23, 2003, 10:23pm

*points to The Lady's war thread*

Jul 23, 2003, 10:30pm

MrBruce offered me the op for a "simple $160 donation for our cause" early
this year.

Jul 24, 2003, 1:14am

I offered you what?!?!?!?! I offered you nothing, you need to get your story
straight here bud, my name is not Defiance for one and I never said what
you're claiming here. I said if you wanted to donate to A!!CT to help it
going you could...the quote of $160.00 was never out of my mouth as a
barganing chip....ever!!!!!!!!!
You seem to forget to quickly the path is (2 ) TWO paths in one, I am only
legally responsible for what is on my server...your just a trouble maker
like your other AWTeen punks who have nothing better to do but fuc* everyone
elses lives up with your bullshit!
MrBruce
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Jul 24, 2003, 2:11am

mrbruce, you said that I could have the op if I simply donated A!!CT an
amount that is greater than $100, It might have been $120 $180, it doesn't
matter. the point was, you were offering the OP in exhange of donations of
real amounts of money.

Jul 24, 2003, 3:36am

[View Quote] Perhaps you haven't met me, I'm Bowen. I'm as silly as can be, but when
I want to be, I can be an arsehole.

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Jul 24, 2003, 4:08am

Hello Mr Bruce

I believe what some people are saying is that your rented object paths are
classed as "commercial" in other words created for momentary gains. I don't
think they are saying you are selling the objects you have obtained as free
objects.

For instance your objects from Gandtech, On Gands web site it very clearly
says:

"All files* remain the property of gandTECH, and may be used for non
commercial use only"
http://www.gandtech.com/free3d.php

To receive money for your service is commercial in all definination

Why not contact the object makers and ask if the use of their work in a
commercial object path is allowed, this would clear any misunderstanding. Or
even donate a small amount to the object makers and a mark of respect for
their work?




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Jul 24, 2003, 6:41am

IM gonna post to this BS one last time, I NEVER OFFERED YOU ANY MATERIALS
OFF THE OP, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BAND-WITH FEES AND OP FEES.
Whatever agreements you had with defiance were none of my affiars, I told
you that in the first place. I did not offer to sell you any textures
either, you came to me complaining about it.
All i said to you was if (mind you) IF you wanted to donate to us to help
keep A!!CT going financially I would offer you our OP as a THANK YOU. I
never had those star trek textures to give you in the first place. they were
not on my OP because back then I had no OP to put them on, nor did i have
copies of them on my computer to share with you. It was not until a month
after that that I bought my own webserver. Even Tengel can vouge for me on
that, he was the one who suggested the webserver I have now and knows when I
purchased it.
Lastly Ill say it again, WE DO NOT OFFER ANY MATERIALS AS PART OF THE DEAL,
WE CHARGE FOR BAND-WIDTH FEES ONLY! We can rmove whatever any body wants
off the path...but Ill be damned if im gonna supply any world with 17.68 Gb
of band-width for nothing!
Again look for yourself www.a1ct.com/a1ctpathservices.htm our disclaimer is
clearly displayed there that we do not offer any materials as part of the
fees, the objects are free, but the purchased objects are passworded and
protected against theft so no one can freely download them without going to
the person who sold them to us. Some objects are passworded some are not,
but the reason most of it is is to prevet unwanted free use of our
band-width.
For the rest of you, the measly 100.00 we've made so far went to our
webhoster for band-width usage and to Paul and Ivey to help keep their
citizenships active, which is why they sell objects in the first place.
A!!CT world got nothing out of what was left of that money nor did I.
So stop crying over someone trying to help other people out in AW, because
believe me, I made nothing off this deal and never intended to. Your
doantion ferruccio was to help us make AW a better place to come to. So what
if I added more land to A!!CT with the money you donated, you know who that
money would have gone to? ActiveWorlds Corp.

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Jul 24, 2003, 7:44am

I am trying to make some sense of this thread which seems to be total
confusion as what is what. But from what I see regardless of what is what
there are conflicting statements, I quote:

Mr Bruce
"Lastly Ill say it again, WE DO NOT OFFER ANY MATERIALS AS PART OF THE DEAL,
WE CHARGE FOR BAND-WIDTH FEES ONLY! "

Then I see on the relevant web site this:


"Your builders will be pleased to build in your world. We add any custom
objects at your request. We can add a private avatar list just for your
world. We have over 200,000 models and textures and continue to grow! " and
"Our path is one of the best for use in Activeworlds or any 3D universe"

This is promotion of a service by inclusion of materials, as you state you
do not include any objects "WE DO NOT OFFER ANY MATERIALS AS PART OF THE
DEAL" it clear that one statement contradicts the other statement.

This is why people will attack you when seeing statements like this.
Bandwidth is data been transferred from one point to another point,
regardless of if is a string of commands or objects/textures it is material
in a sense..

Its like saying to the IRS my worlds are a hobby therefore I don't have to
declare this extra income I receive from trading as a hosting business.
Beleave me they won't see it but anything but income from sales.

Jul 24, 2003, 12:18pm

You must find yourself wanting to be an awful lot, then. :P

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Jul 24, 2003, 1:32pm

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You've just lost the respect you've gained from me in the past.

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Jul 24, 2003, 1:50pm

[View Quote] >ferruccio said:
> MrBruce offered me the op for a "simple $160 donation for our cause" early
> this year.
<snip>

mrbruce said:
> I offered you what?!?!?!?! I offered you nothing, you need to get your
story
> straight here bud, my name is not Defiance for one and I never said what
> you're claiming here.
<snip>

ferruccio said:
> mrbruce, you said that I could have the op if I simply donated A!!CT an
> amount that is greater than $100, It might have been $120 $180, it doesn't
> matter. the point was, you were offering the OP in exhange of donations of
> real amounts of money.
>
<snip>

mrbruce said:
> All i said to you was if (mind you) IF you wanted to donate to us to help
> keep A!!CT going financially I would offer you our OP as a THANK YOU.
<snip>

My 2 cents here,
If an agreement was made for a donation, stand behind it.
If not then...Be sure you are aware what you are donating to. I know lots of
OP hosts that would love to have the extra money. For this amount of money
can get you a nice set of objects :)
Think Before You Link
Weebs

Jul 24, 2003, 7:54pm

But No where in that statement does it specifie WHAT Objects we are refering
to, we have objects and textures that are licensed to us, we have objects
and textures that were created by us. No where on this site does it say "Our
path is the best because it has 'such and such' objects" And we have a right
to say OUR models and textures because we infact know how to use Truespace
and photoshop 7 to make our OWN stuff.
I say we here because there are several of us who have contributed to stock
this path with materials and most of those who have have no problems with
us, because they know all our path is about is a way for us to finance A!!CT
and the other worlds that are associated with it.
I put A!!CT here for you all to use, its not a private world and its not
cheap! But what we have here is a bunch of jealious kids who have nothing
better in mind but looking for ways to shut A!!CT down, were not stupid
enough to let them hack it, so they find other ways to attemp to shut it
down.
But you know what ? It's not me that they are shutting down, in the long run
it's AW.
Think about it, if I do not have the money to renew A!!CT in December 2003,
it goes bye bye and think of the revenue AW Corp loses when it exspires.
Then once they run me out of AW, who will they slander next? Think about it,
A!!CT is a popular world, many are jealious of this. I realise AW Corp gets
these attacks all the time and it comes from being in the spot light. But
basically this is what this is all about and why its being said against us.
One last thing folks, I am not here in AW to make a profit, please trust me
on this, I know I am a pain at times, but any income I generate from this
program ends up going to either a modeler who is trying to keep their
citizenships paid for by selling their models or Activeworlds.corp

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Jul 24, 2003, 8:16pm

The part that is not being exspressed here is the origional agreement was
NOT between ferruccio and I. He telegrammed me complaining that a texture
set was offered to him at a stated amount of cash off of a path that was not
mine. When I became aware that the path was the one A!!CT was using, I asked
the path owner if he would agree to share those items with ferruccio if he
agreed to donate to me money that I would use to upgrade the land size in
A!!CT. The qoute of $160.00 was never made by me, nor was any quote ever
made by me. Ferruccio stated to me what he was offered the set for and
rambled on about that amount. All I ever said to him is "Well if you want to
donate to A!!CT, I will speak to the path owner and tell him you donated to
us and if he could just share the files he poesses as a way of saying
thanks for donating to help keep A!!CT World going.
I never quoted any $ amounts ever, it was ferrruccio who kept mentioning a
quote of $160.00 during my discussion of this with him. I'm being held
accountable here for a statement that... No.1)I was not a wittness to.
No.2) A quote I never made to Ferruccio.
Ferruccio chosed to be thick headed and chosed to slander me when I'm not
the one who offered him anything in the first place. You cant hold me
accountable if my path hoster offers you a deal you find to be out-ragious!
MrBruce
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Jul 24, 2003, 8:51pm

Just needs to be very clear, you will be aware that within some membership
will read the base line without thinking. Golden rule is be precise and
clear about it. This avoids confusion.

I'm fully aware of hosting costs of not only Object paths, world hosting but
also in the provision of community resources. I believe our yearly costs are
around $900.00 USD to support not only worlds but other USA based hosting
services. This we pay without question by reason of supporting the product
and helping people have something new.

I am properly like many world owners that pay a substantial amount in our
"interests" and have had our share of "financial" problems, but we don't run
about screaming about it, we get on with the job and make things work for
all.

O yes we don't charge for hosting either a world or object path. We help
other's set up there own so they can be in charge and save them money by
passing on our experience and the pitfalls to avoid.

Last thing as in the beginning, Make things clear and precise in
advertising, get written permissions for inclusion of meshes and textures in
any Object path that is "rented" You will have much less hassle at the end
of the day..

O yes, the email attached to my postings is not correct, this is to stop
harvesting by spammers and not anything sinister.


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Jul 25, 2003, 1:20am

If I "donated" a certain amount of money to a grocery store, they will offer
me some of their products as a "thank you".

You need to learn to suck it up and take whatever is thrown at you. You
can't call everything slander and threaten a court case on it. A lot of
people are having problems with you just because of how you react when mud
is thrown at you.

Jul 25, 2003, 5:01am

That's well and good, but when people start turning the other way over
slanderous comments being made about a business, who are you hurting? Mud is
one thing, but to put someone in the bad spot light here when they are in
fact are not the ones who hurt you in the first place is not good either.
MrBruce
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Jul 25, 2003, 10:56am

Excuse me, but if you donate something you are not supposed to get anything in return.

do-nate - To present as a gift to a fund or cause; contribute

Leo :)



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Jul 25, 2003, 1:47pm

[View Quote] It's only common courtesy to give thanks. That can mean a simple thank
you, a card, or gifts that cost very little to them to give out.

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Aug 17, 2003, 3:46pm

MrBruce,
I'm not quite sure I'm following this, But if the gist of this is
that

you are selling/leasing access of your object path to other world owners to
use (speaking for myself, but I think most other modelers you may have
purchased from would feel the same)
and you are also providing your object password to those world owners you
are selling/leasing the OP to,
then you would be violating the terms of my models agreements.

I allow purchasers to use the models they buy from me in all worlds they own
in any universes but they are not allowed to give, sell. provide access to
those models to anyone outside of those worlds without my consent.

Now if you are selling/leasing your object path but NOT providing the
password to non-public domain models (like mine) then that's fine. That
would be like AWI used to do in AW. You could build with all models except
their Z objects.

So, if you are selling/leasing your OP to world owners along with the
password to the non-public models then you need to stop now. I sold the
models for use in your worlds not for use in other's worlds and you wold
in essence be giving my models to others if that is the case.

Hope this clears up this thread some.

Paul 196887 Ganymede



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Aug 17, 2003, 7:38pm

Here is the telegrams I sent to you Paul in response to your telegrams and
this post.
hi paul i can understand your being upset and no I did not see your post as
i have recently reformatted my hard drive and lost my old newsreader posts.
But if it's the one i made called "lets get this straight right now" I
clearly stated in that post that No1. All the models on A!!CT path are
passworded. No2 That we use a PHP script which allows multible setups so
objects that work in A!!CT do not work in other worlds not owned by me.
www.a1ct.com is my path, www.starfleet-ufp.com is the main path wihich is
used for other world owners if any. As I tried to exsplain in my post is
that we offer that path as a way of making money to buy new objects for our
A!!CT path. if you visit even all the worlds owned by us, you will see
multible folders in your cache folder for each world indicating that each
world has its own path and a diierent avatars list even. The disclaimer is
to cover us for objects that are freely available to the general public that
we are not selling those objects. ...and that they are not the product we
are offering, in a since the publicly available objects are not for sale and
not part of the agreement and therefore are free such as they are freely
available elsewhere, we have to pay for band-width usage, the more downloads
we exsperience the more we pay to our hosts, if we provide a path to someone
and they use up our band-width, we have to pay those fees, so we charge for
that allotment plus charge a little more to help us make a small profit to
help support other causes. We have not made hardly anything off this service
and what we had left after paying a one months hosting fee to our host, I
bought modles off of you for A!!CT world's path, with what was left. Sorry
for the misunderstanding, but you see that's exactly what these kids were
trying to do, start trouble for us and shut us down. If you have any
questions please contact me.
MrBruce

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Aug 18, 2003, 4:19pm

Can you all kinda.. be quiet or you could always ask Bill to remove your
ability to post to help you keep quiet? I for one am sick of this being a
ranting ground for A!!CT and MrBruce...

- Mark

Aug 18, 2003, 5:32pm

Hmmmmm. Actually this isnt anyones business but the 2 of you. Cant you both
email or gram or meet in vr to discuss this personal business? :)
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Aug 19, 2003, 1:42am

well sorry tell your communuity to stop using the newsgroups as a grounds
for publicly attacking me and spreading false rumors about me. If I came in
here and say you suck your thumb and crap your pants, I'm sure you'd be
right here counter claiming that statement. For the last time I never come
here starting the attacks, but I'm sure as hell gonna defend myself if the
claims are FALSE!!! And this was a revived old post that Paul posted to
because he did not read the whole thread.
Case closed.
MrBruce
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