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Feb 1, 2003, 1:00pm

NASA have lost contact with a space shuttle. It seems to have disintegrated.

7 Astronauts at stake. Bits landing over texas.

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D a n

Feb 1, 2003, 1:05pm

I was about to post this -_- You only turned on the news because I told
you to ROFL. Anyway, I hope the astronauts will be found or maybe this was a
mistake however it does seem a bit simultaneous that communications were
lost at about the same time an explosion was heard :((((

http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?n_4=1&section=MyLycos&pitem=NEWS%2DSPAC
E%2DSHUTTLE%2DDEBRIS%2DDC&rev=20030201&pub_tag=REUTG

(sorry if it wrapped... doesn't wrap for me though lol)

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Feb 1, 2003, 1:07pm

Click this if it wrapped -_- http://makeashorterlink.com/?C26F51D43



-Sk8man1


*snip*

Feb 1, 2003, 1:07pm

Shortcut to news article: http://tinyurl.com/571j

Better?

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D a n

Feb 1, 2003, 1:07pm

HEY! O_O

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D a n

Feb 1, 2003, 1:08pm

Your link doesn't work... mine does ;P

-Sk8

Feb 1, 2003, 1:08pm

True :o)

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D a n

Feb 1, 2003, 2:26pm

At 1066n 1944e in AWTeen there is a memorial for those who have lost their
lives recently on the SpaceShuttle "Columbia".

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D a n

Feb 1, 2003, 4:02pm

Will you all stop acting childish, jeez.

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Feb 1, 2003, 11:15pm

Is it really neccesary to have a memorial for everyone who dies ( if he or
she happens to be from the "western" world).

People starve to death each day, who makes memorials for them?

I bet Stupid Bush will blame this on Saddam, and it seems one jew was on the
ship also, so i bet this will give Israel a reason to nuke Arafat and keep
on harrising the palestinians...

Drac
d a n <awdan at aol.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e3bf521 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> At 1066n 1944e in AWTeen there is a memorial for those who have lost their
> lives recently on the SpaceShuttle "Columbia".
>
> ---
> D a n
>
>

Feb 2, 2003, 1:52am

I can't believe this was written by someone I know who has seemingly
rational thoughts and logical ideas. WHO is it that turned this into an
international hate event? Not Bush, not the US or Israel, and not Dan. You,
perhaps?

Whether or not you like the idea of memorials for "larger than life"
(meaning people in the public eye) people who die...why make someone's
suggestion to do that into something sinister? Be realistic...how can we
make the same kind of memorials to individuals we've never heard of who die
every minute....except in our own hearts? But don't think that they are not
memorialized en masse often in public and private ways. More than that, some
of us try to save them in whatever means are available to us.

Just by chance I turned off the TV coverage this morning at 10 (an hour
after it happened) to go to a memorial service for my cousin who died too
young a couple weeks ago in Texas...it never once occurred to me to be angry
that she wasn't mentioned on CNN or that Dan didn't make a memorial area for
her in AW. And she was definitely from the western world...if you want to
divide absolutely everything that way...even this.

Please don't make this a political thing, a Bush thing or a hate thing. It
is a science thing and a sad thing. As a matter of fact the only statement
besides yours I have read that was negative was that the Iraqi people said
it was retribution from God. What??? To make 7 families and at least 3
countries grieve over sins of world leaders? (US, Israel and India) and to
cause an international science/space endeavor to end in such a devastating
way?? Not for these 7 people who's purpose was scientific, not political or
power. Not my God. Not any God worthy of the name.

I did get an email from a very good friend from another side of the
world...expressing condolences over such a terrible thing happening in my
neighborhood of the world, as I also did on September 11, 2001. Those are
the kinds of exchanges that will save the world if it is to be saved. Take a
hint.

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Feb 2, 2003, 3:05am

i ageree count, its the jews fault !

Feb 2, 2003, 5:47am

Oh, I can belive it. I have delt with him before, and this post proves my
suspicions. This moron is as anti-American as they come. You're as low as
that Iraqi leader and car mechanic who were overjoyed at the news. Hell,
even France sent a letter of condolense to the president.

This post should serve as 100% proof that this guy has no credibility when
it comes to international politics. And I have serious reservations about
the rest of his views.

SW Chris

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Feb 2, 2003, 5:49am

For your sake you'd better be doing as your namesake suggests, Joker.

Don't be sarcastic. :(

Chris

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Feb 2, 2003, 5:59am

I must confess that my first thought when I heard about the
accident was similar : will Bush use it as "reason" to attack
someone?

This is not disrespect for the victims of this accident, it
shows how little I trust bush and how pervert I think he is.


But this was definitely an accident, technical failure or human
failure doesn't matter, no one planned to kill those astronauts
and I doubt that anyone is happy about it.

It is an international event though, people from more than one
country are involved in the project and the space station is not
so much a political thing anymore. Astronauts and Cosmonauts
have been used in weird political "games" but this time seems
to be medieval to me, past, and should never return.

Space and space science is a big thing, countries and nationality
should not count up there. I am sad to hear that those people
died like this, no matter where they have been from.


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Feb 2, 2003, 6:09am

Dracula is critical, not anti-american. He trusts Bush and those
who voted for him as little as I do.


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Feb 2, 2003, 9:50am

Besides, because people die everyday, doesent make this any less of a
tradgedy. Just as, because some people have nicer possesions than me - it
doesent take away what I have.

Feb 2, 2003, 10:22am

I agree, Bush should be slapped -_- BTW he didn't say that it was
anyones fault... NASA probably knows exactly what happened on the space
shuttle considering they have instruments monitoring EVERYTHING if you go to
the bathroom and push the "Flush Toilet" button it's recorded in a log -_-.
Anyway, my guess is that since the shuttle is so old that during re-entry a
couple of the tiles fell of and the ship started burning up only to explode
later... During re-entry transmissions can't be sent or received for several
minutes, the ship is going mach 6, and the re-entry heat is about 2000°C
(about 3632°F). Also... NASA did tell us that they had some minor problem
right before re-entry where the temperature in the ship was 10°(F) more than
they would have liked it to be... at that point gaining speed NOT to
re-enter would have been practically impossible and they thought it was
minor enough not to cause any problems anyway. The ship didn't even make it
through re-entry so my guess is it had something to do with those tiles.
Since the US keeps every little thing classified we might never know what
really happened :((

-Sk8man (346035)

Feb 2, 2003, 10:27am

Excuse my spelling for this post ;)

Feb 2, 2003, 10:44am

It was not meant to be taken so serious, chill out :)

The point was more or less, if 7 ppl die when a bus crashes it gets some
tiny header in a few newspaper. When 7 ppl die in another kind of vehicle,
this spaceship, they had extra news about it several times during the
evening. I am just wondering what makes these ppl so much more important?
Of course it is a big tradegy to the families of the victimes, and my
deepest condealances to them.
I just cannot see what makes these 7 ppl so much more valuable than for
example 7 ppl who dies in a bus accident.

I am usually against memorials for one simple reason. I think it is better
to rememebr a person when he/she is alive than after his/her death.
Recently the aunt of my grandfather died, she was something like 97. She
lived alone, only a few ppl ever visited her. I sometimes visited her, not
often enough I admit.
At her funeral about 70 ppl showed up ( I was not there but heard). I have
been to these kind of funerals before. All the hipochrits gather to say some
good words of the dead person; a person they did not give a shit about while
living, never visited her/him in the hospital. I just think this is absurd.

What becomes to making it into a international hate thing; it was more meant
to be a joke. At least I hope it is, but unfortunatly it appears that Bush
is using anything as an excuse to go play wargames in Iraque. I think
someone should buy him a playstation, so he could play his wargames there
and do not send innocent americans and british ppl there to die; neither
kill iraqian civialians. People must be blind if they do not see the
similarities between Hitler and Bush. And now the important thing. I DO NOT
LIKE Saddam Hussein. It is probably right to keep an eye on him and not let
him start any trouble, but the issue is, it should be made by UN, not a
single country wanting to play the police of the world.

I also find it really strange that everything seemed pretty ok until Bush
came in power; suddenly iraque is treating everyone, North-Korea is getting
out of the agrements they had made earlier. I have a feeling USA wants to
take the oil of Iraque in their position and will use any reason to start a
war.

Yes you are also right , this is a scientic thing, I sincerely hopes it
remains as one; I was just speculating what I fear might happen

Drac

carolann <carolannh at charter.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e3c95e8$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I can't believe this was written by someone I know who has seemingly
> rational thoughts and logical ideas. WHO is it that turned this into an
> international hate event? Not Bush, not the US or Israel, and not Dan.
You,
> perhaps?
>
> Whether or not you like the idea of memorials for "larger than life"
> (meaning people in the public eye) people who die...why make someone's
> suggestion to do that into something sinister? Be realistic...how can we
> make the same kind of memorials to individuals we've never heard of who
die
> every minute....except in our own hearts? But don't think that they are
not
> memorialized en masse often in public and private ways. More than that,
some
> of us try to save them in whatever means are available to us.
>
> Just by chance I turned off the TV coverage this morning at 10 (an hour
> after it happened) to go to a memorial service for my cousin who died too
> young a couple weeks ago in Texas...it never once occurred to me to be
angry
> that she wasn't mentioned on CNN or that Dan didn't make a memorial area
for
> her in AW. And she was definitely from the western world...if you want to
> divide absolutely everything that way...even this.
>
> Please don't make this a political thing, a Bush thing or a hate thing. It
> is a science thing and a sad thing. As a matter of fact the only statement
> besides yours I have read that was negative was that the Iraqi people said
> it was retribution from God. What??? To make 7 families and at least 3
> countries grieve over sins of world leaders? (US, Israel and India) and to
> cause an international science/space endeavor to end in such a devastating
> way?? Not for these 7 people who's purpose was scientific, not political
or
> power. Not my God. Not any God worthy of the name.
>
> I did get an email from a very good friend from another side of the
> world...expressing condolences over such a terrible thing happening in my
> neighborhood of the world, as I also did on September 11, 2001. Those are
> the kinds of exchanges that will save the world if it is to be saved. Take
a
> hint.
>
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Feb 2, 2003, 10:45am

I have never blamed the jews!
I do blame the Israelian goverment tho, for a few things, but never jews as
a group of ppl.

Drac
the joker ss <the_joker_ss at hotmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e3ca712$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> i ageree count, its the jews fault !
>
>

Feb 2, 2003, 11:01am

Oh , you have ?
Show me one post where I am anti-american (= saying anything bad about the
american ppl). I am extremely critical against the govermant/leaders of USA
yes. I am also critical towards the leaders of EU, leader of Iraque, well
heck all leaders actually.
And one thing; I have never been happy about what happened, i am always sad
when someone dies in an accident , war, illness or deed of violence. My
point was simply, what makes these 7 ppl so much more importanat than other
ppl?
If my father had been killed in an accident like that, i would wish quiet
and peace around me, my friends supporting me. I would definetly not need to
see my father getting blows to pieces in every channel on TV 56 times per
evening. I would not feel a need of 30 TV stations interviewing me, lurking
at my door, speculating what kind of person my father was and how much pain
he was in while dieing.
I would not either need a letter from the french president to my president.
2 persons regretting the lost of my father, 2 persons who never knew him.

I have never said I have any credibility when it comes to politics, You are
100% free to have a different opinion. Heck you might even be more right
than I am; I guess time will tell.
But please do not put words in my mouth about beeing hostile against
american ppl ( most my friends are americans), and never say I am happy for
someone dieing in an accident.

You also have the right to disagree with all my views, that is your right,
but you should also let me have a different opinion as leaders of the world.
If you want to be brainwashed by the politicans, that is your choise and you
have the right to be it.
Calling me a moron is getting close to a personal attack; but maybe you are
so much smarter than me, that you also have a right to do it; actually i do
not care.

Peace, Drac

sw chris <chrisw10 at skywalkeronline.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e3ccd07$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Oh, I can belive it. I have delt with him before, and this post proves my
> suspicions. This moron is as anti-American as they come. You're as low
as
> that Iraqi leader and car mechanic who were overjoyed at the news. Hell,
> even France sent a letter of condolense to the president.
>
> This post should serve as 100% proof that this guy has no credibility when
> it comes to international politics. And I have serious reservations about
> the rest of his views.
>
> SW Chris
>
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Feb 2, 2003, 12:54pm

Well then, try this theory on for size:

These 7 people came from a wide range of backgrounds and histories,
forming a cross-section of not just America, but also the world. They
transcended the concept of countries and governments and simply became
representations of human beings in space, seeking to better their race.
The fact that the entire world is mourning this tragedy, and it's not
just some pumped up attempt at publicity by the American media, proves this.

Their jobs were probably some of the most dangerous in the world where,
as this accident proved, if even the slightest thing went wrong, it
could prove disastrous. Yet they knew about all the dangers and risks
and did their jobs willingly, just for the chance to glimpse the sun
peeking over the curve of the Earth.

So the memorials you see for these people aren't just for the 7
individuals who lost their lives, but also for the cause they died for.
We lost some of the best the human race had to offer, people who were
willing to separate themselves from the pettiness, the politics, and the
bickering of humanity on Earth in order to better a race that, in some
eyes, probably isn't worthy of the progress.

This is why we mourn, to remember those who died, doing what they loved
to do in one of the most noble professions in the world, for the
betterment of mankind.

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Goober King
How do you like *them* apples?
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Feb 2, 2003, 2:18pm

ppl get easely pissed here :)

Feb 2, 2003, 2:55pm

Yep. One is not supposed to critizise goverments (unless concidered hostile
to western world) and religions (unless considered weird in western world)

Drac
the joker ss <the_joker_ss at hotmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e3d44d5 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ppl get easely pissed here :)
>
>

Feb 2, 2003, 3:04pm

So now we can ask a question, what the heck is a human beeing doing in
outerspace in the first place ?
How importnat is it to travel in space?
The people involved, where they not told about the dangers? maybe they were
underpaid and even forced to do it to save the humanity? *cries*

So if I invent a dangerous job for me, like I decide I need to explore an
vulcan from inside, and I manage to take a few other nuts with me from
different countries, shall everyone start building memorials for me and
start feeling sorry for me when we all die, because something goes wrong? I
really hope not, rather use the money to feed the poor, give a helping hand
to someone still alive; leave the mourning to my family and friends.

I do not say it is a tradegy, what happened. I just do not see it as a
tradegy of humanity, it is a tradegy for a few families and the friends of
those who died. I simply think things easily gets out of propotion when
someone dies in an "exotic" job. It was their job, they knew the risks, it
is sad yes.

Drac
goober king <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3E3D310F.7090006 at utn.cjb.net...
> Well then, try this theory on for size:
>
> These 7 people came from a wide range of backgrounds and histories,
> forming a cross-section of not just America, but also the world. They
> transcended the concept of countries and governments and simply became
> representations of human beings in space, seeking to better their race.
> The fact that the entire world is mourning this tragedy, and it's not
> just some pumped up attempt at publicity by the American media, proves
this.
>
> Their jobs were probably some of the most dangerous in the world where,
> as this accident proved, if even the slightest thing went wrong, it
> could prove disastrous. Yet they knew about all the dangers and risks
> and did their jobs willingly, just for the chance to glimpse the sun
> peeking over the curve of the Earth.
>
> So the memorials you see for these people aren't just for the 7
> individuals who lost their lives, but also for the cause they died for.
> We lost some of the best the human race had to offer, people who were
> willing to separate themselves from the pettiness, the politics, and the
> bickering of humanity on Earth in order to better a race that, in some
> eyes, probably isn't worthy of the progress.
>
> This is why we mourn, to remember those who died, doing what they loved
> to do in one of the most noble professions in the world, for the
> betterment of mankind.
>
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Feb 2, 2003, 3:22pm

so true

Feb 2, 2003, 4:43pm

[View Quote] We have the ability to, and it's not very destructive. Sure, we use a lot of gas,
but It's probably negligble compared to the amount cars and busses use per year.

We have the ability to fly, why should we be there? We have the ability to swim and
dive, why should we be there? We have the ability to see into spectrums are eyes
weren't designed for, should we be looking there? We have the ability to listen to
sounds no creature in the world we know of can hear... should we be listening?

--Bowen--

Feb 2, 2003, 4:50pm

We have the ability to explore cyberspace....should we be here?
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Feb 2, 2003, 4:56pm

bowen <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> kirjoitti
viestissä:3e3d66e2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
[View Quote] So we need to do whatever we can, just because we can ?

Sure go ahead and fly to the moon, I am just wondering is it worth all the
trouble? Have we learned something by flying in space that has been
essential to our existance? Is it worth to spend 300 miljon dollars? to find
out how a cactus react in space?
>
> We have the ability to fly, why should we be there? We have the ability
to swim and
> dive, why should we be there? We have the ability to see into spectrums
are eyes
> weren't designed for, should we be looking there? We have the ability to
listen to
> sounds no creature in the world we know of can hear... should we be
listening?

Swimming for example do not require so much, one just need to know how to
swim and some water.
Yes we can do things because we can, but at some point we might need to stop
and thing, is it worth it?

Drac
>
> --Bowen--
>
>

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