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Sep 13, 2002, 3:18pm

Who would want to steal Eeps objects anyway? Sure their alright. But they
arent amazing - and they would be difficult to create somthing new with as
they are tailored to hole.

I don't know what Eeps obsession with Sleepy is, perhaps he feels
inferiorated or vunerable? All he ever does is waffle on about how "if WE
made objects we'd UNDERSTAND".

Its a shame because Eep is a well experienced guy whos a good modeller and
appears to be reasonably intelligent, yet he uses these qualities to eminate
this troll-like attitude which has almost got him kicked off the Beta team.

I'd like to see someone create an unpassworded mirror of his OP and post it
on the NGs. He'd probably have heart failure, heh.

-Robbie

Sep 13, 2002, 3:33pm

*LOL* Quite entertaining :)

But he would probably blame Sleepy for the Mirror site.

- Mark

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Sep 13, 2002, 3:48pm

SE can be blamed rightfully so for a lot of things since he is a hacker
apparently "allowed" to roam freely and I DO mean freely in AW
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Sep 13, 2002, 3:57pm

Sleepy E is one of the good guys in my opinion.... If he was a "bad guy" you would not even know of him.... you would just see his havoc..... AW needs Sleepy E on their side..:)
He has fun doing it and what he discovers helps AW.....as long as he makes these "holes" known to them before us. :)

Rock on Sleepy E..:)

Leo :)

remember this is MY opinion only...:)


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Sep 13, 2002, 4:00pm

not necessarily true we know of several hackers in aw and the
problems they cause how can he be allowed to use cit numbers that
have expired unless someone at aw allows this ??
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Sep 13, 2002, 4:08pm

hi Linn;

He's prolly testing something..... please do not "group" all hackers together..... I liken the term "hacker" to mean something bad....it's not always the case. how was he using this "expired cit"? just logging in and a chat or was he doing things that were disruptive/vandalizing? My guess is if it was Sleepy E, he was just doing some testing...:)

BTW I'm well aware of the "hackers" in AW....they've been here playing for years..;)
(me included) lol

Leo :)

ps; and your last comment is the clue to your answers...."unless someone at aw allows this ??"



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Sep 13, 2002, 4:16pm

yes I know too he was going into worlds that do not allow tourists
as a tourist?? not a good thing
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Sep 13, 2002, 4:39pm

> He's prolly testing something..... please do not "group" all hackers
together..... I liken the term "hacker" to mean something
> bad....it's not always the case. how was he using this "expired cit"? just
logging in and a chat or was he doing things
> that were disruptive/vandalizing? My guess is if it was Sleepy E, he was just
doing some testing...:)
>
> BTW I'm well aware of the "hackers" in AW....they've been here playing for
years..;)
> (me included) lol

Hmm, hackers are people knowledgeful of computers and systems. The "hackers" you're
referring to are most likely script kiddies (using other peoples programs). Sleepy E
is the best thing AW could have right now, in addition with the beta team. Sleepy E
isn't just a hacker, but an experienced cracker. There's a few distinct differences
and his knowledge as a hacker definately helps him with his cracking abilities. I'd
say the only bad type of "cracker" is a script kiddie. The others aren't out to
cause harm in most cases.

--Bowen--

Sep 13, 2002, 4:57pm

LOL why is letting a "tourist" into a world a bad thing?

remember .....tourist=neutered citizen heheheheh


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Sep 13, 2002, 5:14pm

I remember when I took my first programming class back in Jr High.... 1982
or something... and the word "Hacker" simply meant Programmer. Being a
Hacker was a GOOD thing. Gosh, how twisted things have become since then :P

Also, is there anyway we can stop the Eep bashing? Just a tinie bit? :))

Sep 13, 2002, 5:14pm

Thats great! Lets ask him for the exploit and let people back into the darn worlds!

- Mark
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Sep 13, 2002, 5:22pm

> I remember when I took my first programming class back in Jr High.... 1982
> or something... and the word "Hacker" simply meant Programmer. Being a
> Hacker was a GOOD thing. Gosh, how twisted things have become since then :P

A true definition of hacker means someone who is expert at some thing. So yes, a
programmer is a hacker. But it's not just limited to programmers, as Sys ops, web
designers and graphic artists(these two not so much), could all be considered hackers
to some extent.

--Bowen--

Sep 13, 2002, 5:26pm

so you guys are telling me its ok for SE to do what he does? whatever that
is lol ok then why are world owners not told this so that when the world
is set for no tourists (sadly) they will know if he appears its ok?
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Sep 13, 2002, 5:27pm

Um... if you want to duke it out with Eep, then take it to e-mail. We don't need to see any more of this here.

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Sep 13, 2002, 5:31pm

I don't know who you are talking to but im not bashing anyone just trying
to understand what aw does not tell us smiles
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Sep 13, 2002, 5:39pm

we didn't nessessarily say it was "ok" it's just nothing to worry or be concerned about.
In Our Opinion hehehehe



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Sep 13, 2002, 5:45pm

*ROFLMSO*

Do a few more pictures
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- Mark

Sep 13, 2002, 5:45pm

Erm, unless your newsreader is not configured properly, you'd see that
Shred was replying to Robbie's original post...

As for Sleepy E, I've never encountered him in person, but from the
sounds of it, he's one of the "good guys". If he's actually telling AW
about all the security holes he finds, then he's a lot better than the
script kiddies who brag about finding them just to other people and then
exploit them for all their worth. This would be the difference between a
"hacker" (good guy) and "cracker" (script kiddie). If Sleepy E didn't
find them first, someone else with more malicious intents would.

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Sep 13, 2002, 5:50pm

umm where is proof he IS doing just good things mmm? how would one know
this? he is allowed to roam freely with no restraints sheeshhhh
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Sep 13, 2002, 5:57pm

[View Quote] In my opinion it is very ok. He is helping to expose possible threats to security
(mainly of your system) to unwanted attacks. You may not like his methods, but
that's not the point, he's helping and that's all that really should matter as long
as he's not trying to go through the system to take what he can first.

--Bowen--

Sep 13, 2002, 5:58pm

[View Quote] Trust, that's the only thing we can input to that. I would trust him, he is a nice
guy.

--Bowen--

Sep 13, 2002, 6:01pm

Because I see him often in AWTeen and manage to chat with him when I have time? People who exploit software dont go and warn the people who can fix it. LOL

- Mark
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Sep 13, 2002, 6:02pm

I didn't do that one - I just found it and saved it a while ago =)

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Sep 13, 2002, 6:09pm

sounds like a great cover to me
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Sep 13, 2002, 6:11pm

Firstly I am not interested in any person/s involved in manipulation of the
client software tocreate loopholes in programming.

I beleave the points Linn is raising is, if one person is allowed to room
freely without hinderance, without a valid account and is using any modified
client/or files in full sight of all. Is this not in itself promoting others
that may have a more sinsister agender?


Certainly any bugs must be cleared and loopholes closed, these can be done
not in full sight of all members and in worlds set aside for testing.
Ariving in any persons world as a tourist when clearly no tourists are
allowed only as this thread has proven inflames to actually what is been
acutually happening. Yes well may be testing, as stated this can be done in
worlds that people have not spent time creating, modeling and time spent
working in.


You don't test a theory on a live audience day after day.

To me this matter is closed.

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Sep 13, 2002, 6:28pm

Linn please reply to the post your talking about your responding to the wrong posts and it's hard to see who you really are talking to...:) thanx

I do see your point....but with reference to Sleepy E i would not worry about it.

Leo :) aka BinaryBud


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Sep 13, 2002, 6:28pm

From what he told me he isn't using a patched or otherwise
manipulated browser.


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Sep 13, 2002, 6:31pm

ananas then how does he come in as a tourist with another persons cit
number?
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Sep 13, 2002, 6:36pm

[View Quote] AW Proxy ring a bell anyone? All he told the worldserver was that it was to "think"
he was a tourist.

--Bowen--

Sep 13, 2002, 6:56pm

He uses a different method that does not require a browser patch.
btw., the method he uses shows quite clear that he isn't a script
kiddie. It must have required some analysis to use his method.
AW sure could stuff this hole but would loose all backwards
compatibility to older browsers and older world servers. I wonder
why they didn't introduce the change with the forced upgrade, but
otoh. I enjoy talking to Sleepy E and that wouldn't be possible
anymore then (at least for a while *g)


p.s.: Trash your outlook and try a better newsreader, you replied
to the wrong post again. You can download free newsreaders from
http://www.slaughterhouse.com/news.html for example


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