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Sep 7, 2002, 10:43pm

then lets shoot everyone else thats bad! or even easyer.. everyone go jump
off a cliff..
first of all bush isnt that bad.. JFK was way worse, trueman was just as
bad.. and no one ever yells at them!

America isnt bad, places like china, japan, and russia are way worse, you
all blame america for your problems! stop it! you just dont like the fact we
have more then most of the other nations!

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Sep 7, 2002, 10:55pm

Thats how the voteing goes... write your senitor and have an ammendment
made.

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Sep 7, 2002, 11:21pm

Some very good points. When is it too soon? When is it too late? No one
really knows, but the judgement call has to be there. And if you wait too
long? Then who has a finger pointing at them?

Poseidon

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Sep 7, 2002, 11:33pm

In your dreams that is. Your sorry unlawful country has nothing that comes
even close to the wealth and freedom of the UK and its neighbouring
countries.

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Sep 7, 2002, 11:36pm

bush won cause the other guy was even dumber


"athnex" <awnews at athnex.com> schreef in bericht
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> Thats how the voteing goes... write your senitor and have an ammendment
> made.
>
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Sep 7, 2002, 11:37pm

well , who are you to call other countrys bad ? then you wonder why the USA
has enemys


"athnex" <awnews at athnex.com> schreef in bericht
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> then lets shoot everyone else thats bad! or even easyer.. everyone go jump
> off a cliff..
> first of all bush isnt that bad.. JFK was way worse, trueman was just as
> bad.. and no one ever yells at them!
>
> America isnt bad, places like china, japan, and russia are way worse, you
> all blame america for your problems! stop it! you just dont like the fact
we
> have more then most of the other nations!
>
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Sep 7, 2002, 11:43pm

Yeah, they just provocate the next planestorm, but they won't get that into
their ignorant and arrogant heads.

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Sep 7, 2002, 11:52pm

Negative, Gore actually has brains. Bush was below average in school.

--Bowen--

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Sep 8, 2002, 12:51am

> Negative, Gore actually has brains. Bush was below average in school.

Which just shows that ANY American can become President of the US. Which
means a lot of you can if you want to, even EEP. ;)

Sep 8, 2002, 2:13am

Umm how does Gore have brains when he believes he invented the internet? I
call that brain dead :-P

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Sep 8, 2002, 7:08am

Teoretically we are (at least used to be under the scope of both USA and
Russia). I am even sure that some missiles are still pointed at our capital
city. Is there ANY proof that Saddam is planning an attack towards USA ?
What I do not understand is: Why is US and Russia supposed to be allowed to
have nuclear weapons but no islamic country?
I am not saying Saddam Hussein is a nice guy, but I just think pissing him
off will not improve anything.
What if USA manage to kill Saddam, would that not make him a martyr in his
country? Maybe next ruler will be even more negative towards the nation that
attacked them. I just do not think that war solve anything, it will probably
only make things worse. When the "western world" turns against the east with
full power, they might loose that battle, but it makes a good soil for the
holy war, that is mostly terrorism. Terrorism because that is the only way a
smaller group can fight something that has more power (ETA,IRA etc).
In whole, I just do not like the way of thinking that our western
"christian-capitalist-hypohcritism" is the only right way.
Next 9/11 might happen in my country, to me. If that is to happen it
happens, I do not see any reason why we should start killing those that
could be potential terrorists though, because then we are not any better
than the terrorists themselves.

Love, peace & understanding , Drac

sw chris <chrisw10 at skywalkeronline.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d7a8d5e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well, that's easy for you to say. You're not sitting under the sniper
> scope. :)
>
> Part of the reason why the United States is acting like this is because of
> World War 2. The last time we waiting for our enemy to hit us was then,
and
> by the time that they did, it was almost too late for many Jews,
Catholics,
> and Irish among others living under Hitler's rule.
>
> So, are you going to let a crazy with designs to take over the middle east
> do whatever he wants until it satisifies you that he's going just a little
> too far over the line between just "crazy" and "insanity", or are you
going
> to take him AND ONLY HIM out and stop a firestorm before it begins?
That's
> what you're looking at here.
>
> The United States is not going to make a mess out of things like they did
> with other things in the past. They have learned from those mistakes. It
> does not make any sense to wait until Hussein kills someone before you
> decide to say, "Oh, well he's not very nice."
>
> If I'm not mistaken, that's why 9/11 happened. When's the next one going
to
> be? In your country, perhaps?
>
> Chris
>
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Sep 8, 2002, 9:02am

i couldnt say it any better



"count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> schreef in bericht
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> Teoretically we are (at least used to be under the scope of both USA and
> Russia). I am even sure that some missiles are still pointed at our
capital
> city. Is there ANY proof that Saddam is planning an attack towards USA ?
> What I do not understand is: Why is US and Russia supposed to be allowed
to
> have nuclear weapons but no islamic country?
> I am not saying Saddam Hussein is a nice guy, but I just think pissing him
> off will not improve anything.
> What if USA manage to kill Saddam, would that not make him a martyr in his
> country? Maybe next ruler will be even more negative towards the nation
that
> attacked them. I just do not think that war solve anything, it will
probably
> only make things worse. When the "western world" turns against the east
with
> full power, they might loose that battle, but it makes a good soil for the
> holy war, that is mostly terrorism. Terrorism because that is the only way
a
> smaller group can fight something that has more power (ETA,IRA etc).
> In whole, I just do not like the way of thinking that our western
> "christian-capitalist-hypohcritism" is the only right way.
> Next 9/11 might happen in my country, to me. If that is to happen it
> happens, I do not see any reason why we should start killing those that
> could be potential terrorists though, because then we are not any better
> than the terrorists themselves.
>
> Love, peace & understanding , Drac
>
> sw chris <chrisw10 at skywalkeronline.net> kirjoitti
> viestissä:3d7a8d5e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
of
> and
> Catholics,
east
little
> going
> That's
did
It
going
> to
other
> attack
other
> could
> intension
> that
> the
> will
> message
thick
>
>

Sep 8, 2002, 9:15am

I fully agree, and this cannot be compared to WW2 at all.
In WW2 the US joined into an existing war, which was very
necessary back then. But in this case they would start
the war. That makes much difference.

Terrorism must be fought, but not with terrorism and not
just because one country has the power to fight the war
quite "lossless". A war is always a loss for all humans,
independant from the "winner".


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Sep 8, 2002, 10:21am

I agree completely.

Sep 8, 2002, 10:51am

Im in the UK so how the hell did I put him into power?

- Mark
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Sep 8, 2002, 10:56am

The only reason Bush wants to attack is to look big and tough to all the other countries.. Just like Bill Clinton and attacking Iraq it secured him the next election.. But who is going to vote next time if the USA attacks and Iraq reduces the USA to dust with nukes?

- Mark
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Sep 8, 2002, 12:05pm

LoL I didn't say he was a super genius, but comparing the two. Gore is much much
much more intelligent than Bush will ever be.

--Bowen--
"Bush: We need to Strategery"
"Gore: Lockbox"

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Sep 8, 2002, 4:07pm

hehe yeah!

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Sep 8, 2002, 6:30pm

God, we're surrounded by idiots. Nothing like watching a bunch of
prepubescent arguing about something they've only heard about in
passing. I'm not even going to bother getting into this retarded
discussion, since it's obvious *none* of you know what the hell you're
talking about. (which is part of the problem, really...) All I will say
is I hope Bush has enough sense to consider all angles before making a
decision, which he appears to be doing. (consulting Congress, etc)

And as for taking bets, I'll refer you again to the "idiots" statement.
You may think that all the rehashing of 9/11 is overkill, but that
doesn't give you the right to belittle it for those who actually may
still be looking for closure. It was the most traumatic event to occur
on American soil since Pearl Harbor, and whether you like it or not,
it's going to take a *long* time until we all get over it. So shut yer
hole and let people deal with it as they see fit. It's not as if we're
going to run out of land/worlds any time soon.

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--
Goober King
Better to remain silent and thought the fool, than to open your mouth
and remove all doubt...
robrod at prism.net

Sep 8, 2002, 9:38pm

sadly most of us are under 18 so we had nothing to do with him being
president. besides gore wouldve said to hell with congress
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Sep 9, 2002, 12:28am

and then nuked iraq whether people liked it or not :P they are both idiots
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Sep 9, 2002, 12:53am

Its not like saddam is a nice sane guy who if he did have nuclear weapons
wouldent use them unless he was attacked. I think if he got some.. he would
stick them on a boat and drive it 5 miles from the beach/bay of some huge
town and blow it up.. would kill millions. If the guy was nice and wasnt out
to destroy america like he is now. We probably just make a big deal out of
it and not do anything.

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Sep 9, 2002, 12:58am

sovjetunion had a few thousand of them , US didnt dare to touch them


"athnex" <awnews at athnex.com> schreef in bericht
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> Its not like saddam is a nice sane guy who if he did have nuclear weapons
> wouldent use them unless he was attacked. I think if he got some.. he
would
> stick them on a boat and drive it 5 miles from the beach/bay of some huge
> town and blow it up.. would kill millions. If the guy was nice and wasnt
out
> to destroy america like he is now. We probably just make a big deal out of
> it and not do anything.
>
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Sep 9, 2002, 12:59am

Last time I checked, you still dont have freedom of speech. None of you can
own armorments. To me it dosnt seem anywhere half as good. You dont even get
to vote on what laws you want to be passed. So it looks to me that you have
very little freedom on what goes on and what you get to do.

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Sep 9, 2002, 3:41am

Instead of replying to individual posts I'll just address what's become of
the entire thread. First of all I regret starting this thread, not because
of what I said but because I gave the flamers a chance to create a hotbed
for the america rox/america sux argument. The reason why I feel so jaded
about all the 9/11 ressurgance is simple: where was this feeling of
togetherness and patriotism before? I believe that as a nation, or moreso
as a global community, we should always be striving more towards
togetherness and unity. But it always fades, big tragedies happen and
everyone gets closer together and patriotic, and then after a few years it
dies off and it's not until another tragedy that it is sparked again. What
kind of patriotism is that? From history it is seemed the only thing
capable of uniting people together so strongly is a common foe.

Goober said, "whether you like it or not, it's going to take a *long* time
until we all get over it", well I sure hope so, cause if not it seems we are
just going to go back to hating each other again. I never went for the
whole uberpatriotism thing, because to me all is said was "america is the
best". Do I think America is a great place to live? Yes, I live there, and
am glad I do. Do I hate America? No, but I do not believe that the people
who live here are any better than any people anywhere else. In fact I would
rather be considered as a citizen of the world working towards it's
betterment than an American fighting for his country.

I remember, as we all do, when 9/11 happened. I wasn't there of course, but
I watched, I spent two days at aw gz relaying all that was going on, and I
was scared and hurt. But afterwards the overall reaction sickened me,
instead of "all these people died" it was "all these americans died",
instead of "we all need to learn to get along" it was "don't fuck with
america". All I saw, everywhere I went, was this feeling of "america is the
best screw you if you dont think so". Could I have taken it wrong?
Perhaps, but that's how I felt.

As for those who died, I can't see them wanting us to dwell on this one
incident, but I can picture them telling us to carry on as we were but with
a hightened sence of unity and working towards a greater peace, for that's
the only thing that can really prevent things like 9/11 from happening
again. On september 11th, I won't raise a flag half way up, I won't wear
red white and blue, I'll communicate. I will talk to people, everyone I can
get my hands on, and talk to them about the world, what they think about it,
and what can be done to help it in any way. And I won't just do this on
9/11, I'll try to do it always, as I always have.

To those who lost family or friends in the 9/11 tragedy, I give you my
sympathies, because someone close to you was lost, and that is always a
terrible thing. To Bush I would merely say I hope he knows what he's doing,
cause I sure don't. And to every person of arab decent who has been
wrongfully discriminated against since 9/11, I wish the best to you, and I
hope just as much as you do that one day we will realize that people of all
race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation can learn to live together
without prejudice or hatred.

I hope this clears up how I feel, as I shall not be posting again in this
thread.


-Eric
A Goober Proclaimed Idiot

PS.
"Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one."
-Imagine, by John Lennon

Sep 9, 2002, 6:59am

Yes, but now this is what USA is planning to do, go to Iraque and nuke out a
part of it. I do not see how that can be more justified. I have seen none
proof of Saddam planning to nuke USA. The fact that he hates it does not
make it a plan to nuke it.
Personally I think one could reach much more with diplomacy, but seems the
president of USA has none such skills. One can just wonder if Bush has been
screwing some secretary on the table of the white house and now it has to be
covered up; and what would be better than to start a small war someplace as
far as possible from home, to get some distraction. If you need to fight,
fight with the canadians or mexicans, that would make more sense, but on the
other hand you cannot do that because then you might have to spill some
blood on your own ground.
I can almost hear Bush sitting at his ranch: I'm bored, I'm bored let's go
and nuke some small country in the east, who knows what those beduins are up
to...

Drac
athnex <awnews at athnex.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d7c0d3f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Its not like saddam is a nice sane guy who if he did have nuclear weapons
> wouldent use them unless he was attacked. I think if he got some.. he
would
> stick them on a boat and drive it 5 miles from the beach/bay of some huge
> town and blow it up.. would kill millions. If the guy was nice and wasnt
out
> to destroy america like he is now. We probably just make a big deal out of
> it and not do anything.
>
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Sep 9, 2002, 9:33am

You're wrong, we HAVE the freedom of speech.
And we can't own armorments because it is a crime to do so and only violent
ppl would want to do so anyways, and no wonder your country is full of
violence and crime since it allows ppl to have them. Our country is much
safer than yours because of laws against owning armorments.
Your country's streets are full of criminal gang thugs. 769 cities. Don't
tell me it would be a safe place to live.


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Sep 9, 2002, 12:03pm

what country allows kids ot have guns ( thta have only one purpose ) while
they cant drink or smoke



"athnex" <awnews at athnex.com> schreef in bericht
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> Last time I checked, you still dont have freedom of speech. None of you
can
> own armorments. To me it dosnt seem anywhere half as good. You dont even
get
> to vote on what laws you want to be passed. So it looks to me that you
have
> very little freedom on what goes on and what you get to do.
>
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Sep 9, 2002, 12:24pm

Citizens being allowed to use guns within the law doesn't make a country less safe. Criminals would and do continue to get anything they want. Making something illegal doesn't magically stop it.


-Agent1

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Sep 9, 2002, 6:55pm

Example for the dimwitted: the illegal drug market.

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