help? :-\ (General Discussion)

help? :-\ // General Discussion

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dion

Aug 6, 2002, 8:24pm
I just formatted my computer and forgot to save my e-mails. I assume that
the e-mails are kept on the pop3 e-mail server I use so how do I synchronize
my Inbox with those?

-Dion

anduin

Aug 6, 2002, 9:28pm
In a galaxy far far away, known as general.discussion, an identity
claiming to be known as "dion" <Dion at digevo.net> scribed the
following:
>I just formatted my computer and forgot to save my e-mails. I assume that
>the e-mails are kept on the pop3 e-mail server I use so how do I synchronize
>my Inbox with those?

It depends if you had set your settings correctly in your Outlook
Express, which I noticed you are using.

Firstly, you want to go to 'Tool ==> Accounts', you go to your account
and choose the tab called 'Advanced'; You'll see down the bottom that
there is an option saying 'Leave a copy of messages on server' and you
can set for so many days and so on.
If this option wasn't set BEFORE your format and BEFORE downloading
all those old messages, none are left on your ISP's server I'm sorry
to say.

,,,,,
(o o)
/--------------ooO--(_)--Ooo--------------\
| Anduin (317281) |
| o The Gorean Scribe |
| o http://www.anduin-lothario.com |
| o World: GorSJ (18+ Only) |
\--------------ooO-------Ooo--------------/

goober king

Aug 6, 2002, 9:55pm
They're only saved if you tell your email program to leave the messages
on the server. Otherwise, as soon as you click to view the message, it
downloads it off the server, puts it on your HD, and removes it from the
server. :-/

Now, if you were on an I-MAP server, it'd be a different story...

[View Quote] > I just formatted my computer and forgot to save my e-mails. I assume that
> the e-mails are kept on the pop3 e-mail server I use so how do I synchronize
> my Inbox with those?
>
> -Dion
>
>
>


--
Goober King
POP3 goes the e-mail!
robrod at prism.net

dion

Aug 6, 2002, 10:15pm
Alright, I made a boo-boo. I hadn't had that option that Anduin explained
enabled because I didn't know it existed. All my e-mails are poof, but I
have a chance of getting them back if by some stroke of luck, nothing I
installed overwrote them since I did a simple reformat without completely
removing the files from my HDD. I'm looking for a program that will search
my HDD for the files but am having a bit of a problem finding something.
Does anyone know where I can find one?

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alphabit phalpha

Aug 6, 2002, 10:44pm
start/find/ and put *.eml in the top field there

dion

Aug 6, 2002, 10:52pm
I reformatted so unfortunately it's not as easy as that. The files I am
looking for have been deleted as far as Windows is concerned.

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alphabit phalpha

Aug 6, 2002, 11:10pm
Maybe there is a dos command?
Some ISP's also have a way of retrieving lost info or deleted info on HD's
sometimes.

dion

Aug 6, 2002, 11:12pm
I don't think DOS knows any files in actualy characters, they're all by
index numbers or some load of crap. LOL. I am using a program now that has
recovered a lot of crap, I'm in the process of looking for the file though
and it seems that there's a LOT of *.eml files.

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bowen

Aug 6, 2002, 11:38pm
DOS understands filenames. That's why windows pre95 had the 8 character
limit on filenames...

--Bowen--

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jerme

Aug 7, 2002, 1:02am
Windows pre 95 was just a wrapper... The bios started DOS, and dos started
windows... windows passed all the commands though to dos.

Newer versions of Windows aren't based off of DOS. Now you need a boot disk
to get to just DOS. Windows now only supports the command line...

-Jeremy

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www.JTechWebSystems.com
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itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." -Mathew 5-34
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bowen

Aug 7, 2002, 1:47am
[View Quote] Yeah, that's how it worked.

> Newer versions of Windows aren't based off of DOS. Now you need a boot
disk
> to get to just DOS. Windows now only supports the command line...

Still based on DOS code, it just doesn't use the standard interface for it.
Unless they went to rewrite the kernel from scratch (which they obviously
would never do until they absolutely needed it *cough*64bitwindows*cough*).
They add and subtract things from their kernel since Windows95, that's why
there's so many errors with kernel32.dll.

--Bowen--

joeman

Aug 7, 2002, 1:58am
NT != Dos based.

-Joe

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bowen

Aug 7, 2002, 2:48am
> NT != Dos based.

LoL well, NT was based off of 3.11 which was based off of 3.1 which was a
DOS shell.

--Bowen--

anduin

Aug 7, 2002, 2:54am
In a galaxy far far away, known as general.discussion, an identity
claiming to be known as "dion" <Dion at digevo.net> scribed the
following:
>Alright, I made a boo-boo. I hadn't had that option that Anduin explained
>enabled because I didn't know it existed. All my e-mails are poof, but I
>have a chance of getting them back if by some stroke of luck, nothing I
>installed overwrote them since I did a simple reformat without completely
>removing the files from my HDD. I'm looking for a program that will search
>my HDD for the files but am having a bit of a problem finding something.
>Does anyone know where I can find one?

http://www.bitmart.net/r2k.htm
That's if you've got NTFS file format, Windows 2000/XP...
You might try searching www.google.com for 'Unerase' or something.
That might help, though I'm not sure, I've never had to use anything
like this myself.

,,,,,
(o o)
/--------------ooO--(_)--Ooo--------------\
| Anduin (317281) |
| o The Gorean Scribe |
| o http://www.anduin-lothario.com |
| o World: GorSJ (18+ Only) |
\--------------ooO-------Ooo--------------/

ananas

Aug 7, 2002, 2:59am
NT doesn't boot through DOS. Not sure about NT3.5 (I never had
that), but NT4 boots a kernel that is mostly 32-bit and not DOS
based at all. It includes a DOS emulation and a 32-Bit console
program that behaves like DOS. All 16-Bit DOS programs are
executed by the emulation and 16-bit windows programs each have
their own virtual machine.
For NT they took several ideas from Unix and implemented them,
or at least tried to *g

Win95 (which was based on 3.11) boots a DOS with some 32-Bit
extensions and then boots the "kernel" from there. I think you
mixed those two up.


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bowen

Aug 7, 2002, 3:17am
> NT doesn't boot through DOS. Not sure about NT3.5 (I never had
> that), but NT4 boots a kernel that is mostly 32-bit and not DOS
> based at all. It includes a DOS emulation and a 32-Bit console
> program that behaves like DOS. All 16-Bit DOS programs are
> executed by the emulation and 16-bit windows programs each have
> their own virtual machine.
> For NT they took several ideas from Unix and implemented them,
> or at least tried to *g

Yeah I think 3.5 was based really a lot on 3.11 so it basically used Dos. I
would imagein NT used that, they put in BSD code in XP. That's probably why
it's better at not crashing.

> Win95 (which was based on 3.11) boots a DOS with some 32-Bit
> extensions and then boots the "kernel" from there. I think you
> mixed those two up.

Isn't that what I said? It's late. 3.1(1) is a dork to keep track of.

--Bowen--

dion

Aug 7, 2002, 4:18am
Ok. A lot of work, agony, and 7 hours later, I have managed to retrieve my
dbx files that hold all of my e-mail messages within them. I tried to simply
replace the ones I had now (currently empty) with them and OE simply
recreated them as 'Inbox (1).dbx' and such. Does anyone have any idea how
the heck you're supposed to import dbx files?

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chazrad

Aug 7, 2002, 5:08am
> For NT they took several ideas from Unix and implemented them,
> or at least tried to *g

Always thought they stole most of NT from IBM in their 'joint' OS/2
project?

d a n

Aug 7, 2002, 7:05am
In outlook express its...

File >> Import >> Messages

---
D a n

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bowen

Aug 7, 2002, 3:16pm
> Always thought they stole most of NT from IBM in their 'joint' OS/2
> project?

LoL Microsoft steals everything from everybody. Weren't win3.1 and win95
based on 2 of the mac versions? Then so was XP (kind of based on OSX).
They usually just steal bits and pieces of other OS's and jam them in there.

--Bowen--

dion

Aug 7, 2002, 3:39pm
but it doesn't support the DBX format.

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chazrad

Aug 7, 2002, 3:42pm
"bowen" <thisguyisashimmyritzer at 7k2.4mg.com> wrote in
news:3d5155df$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

>
> LoL Microsoft steals everything from everybody. Weren't win3.1 and
> win95 based on 2 of the mac versions? Then so was XP (kind of based
> on OSX). They usually just steal bits and pieces of other OS's and jam
> them in there.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>
>

i still miss OS/2 :( The fight they had to keep the win 3.1 box alive.
it was always great to see how the programmers at MS where trying to
make the win box/OS/2 fail and how the IBM programmers managed to make
it work again. I still admire them (IBM) for managing to run win 3.1 as
a DPMI client while at the same time win 3.1 only wanted to be DPMI
host...
I still hate them (IBM) for throwing the towel though. I will never buy
IBM's products again after selling out in such a big way. Not even
hardware (which was crappy at best :)

Oh well the good old days...

Now we are stuck with it by our own complacency

ananas

Aug 7, 2002, 4:14pm
Lisa was the first PC you could actually buy that had a
xerographic GUI (invented by Xerox). It was the missing
link between the Apple II and the Mac. But a GUI is not
what I ment when I mentioned the Unix concepts, I ment
the way the operating system layers work together.

OS/2 is (from its basic concept) way closer to Unix than
Win3.x (or Win9x) ever was, so I couldn't really tell
where they got the idea. But as they partially use the
syntax of Unix and copied several standard Unix tools
(command line!) I assumed they took it from there.


Microsoft has damaged a lot of other developements in a
quite criminal way, like adding code to Win3.x so it
didn't work with Digital Research's DOS. So IBM wasn't
the first victim. But I'm quite sure that the IBM people
did similar things to other companies, so I don't feel
too sorry for them *g

But if I recall right, M$ and IBM started OS/2 together,
so maybe M$ legally owned parts of the project.


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baron

Aug 7, 2002, 5:46pm
Get the files you retrieved in another folder and then File > Import > Messages >OE6>Import from an OE6 store directory. If it's not corrupted it should import fine. Btw I noticed a lot of incorrect information lately in the NGs regarding the folder OE stores its DB files. The store folder depends on the OS version and language, in any case you can see your store folder in Tools/Options/Maintenance/Store folder.

-Baron


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dion

Aug 7, 2002, 6:38pm
Yep, I just right-clicked inbox and clicked properties and it told me. I
suppose my DBX files are corrupt then? :-\ The error says they aren't DBX
files or another application is using them. :-(

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baron

Aug 7, 2002, 6:53pm
Do not browse to your store folder to import, obviously the dbx there is in use by the current OE instance. Copy the file you want to import elsewhere and browse to it using the import dialog.


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dion

Aug 7, 2002, 7:43pm
yeah, it gives me the same error :-(

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paul

Aug 7, 2002, 8:46pm
your emails are gone. sorry.

Paul


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the derek

Aug 7, 2002, 11:25pm
and the point of all this crap is....
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ananas

Aug 8, 2002, 3:36am
General discussion :)

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